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Nix Transfer Speculation 2019-20

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over 6 years ago

Not sure why we're looking at David Browne's goalscoring stats. He's just a good player worth taking a look at, not a 'Krishna replacement'.

I'll play. If you are analysing whether a player can step up to the next level then you should look and see if he has the same impact at the highest level he has played at rather than just having an impact vs the also rans (sorry Special One).

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 6 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Not sure why we're looking at David Browne's goalscoring stats. He's just a good player worth taking a look at, not a 'Krishna replacement'.

I'll play. If you are analysing whether a player can step up to the next level then you should look and see if he has the same impact at the highest level he has played at rather than just having an impact vs the also rans (sorry Special One).

I think I agree with News here. From what I understand he is a forward so its fair you would look at the stats that are expected as a forward and then to analyse you need to look at context behind the stats. Goals is a great stat but Goals against opposition provides context to analyse the potential there, the fact he was not scoring against top opposition does not indicate he is ready for a step up (As the opposition would be a higher standard), I dont think anyone is saying he is a Krishna replacement but is it worth an import slot to us when we have already signed a better squad forward from the Prem (McCowatt) and a Better squad forward from the league (Sotirio)?? 

If Browne was McCowatt level fair to be looking at him but from what I understand he isnt there

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over 6 years ago

Browne doesn't play as a striker now I thought... did when younger.

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over 6 years ago

RoriM6 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Not sure why we're looking at David Browne's goalscoring stats. He's just a good player worth taking a look at, not a 'Krishna replacement'.

I'll play. If you are analysing whether a player can step up to the next level then you should look and see if he has the same impact at the highest level he has played at rather than just having an impact vs the also rans (sorry Special One).

I think I agree with News here. From what I understand he is a forward so its fair you would look at the stats that are expected as a forward and then to analyse you need to look at context behind the stats. Goals is a great stat but Goals against opposition provides context to analyse the potential there, the fact he was not scoring against top opposition does not indicate he is ready for a step up (As the opposition would be a higher standard), I dont think anyone is saying he is a Krishna replacement but is it worth an import slot to us when we have already signed a better squad forward from the Prem (McCowatt) and a Better squad forward from the league (Sotirio)?? 

If Browne was McCowatt level fair to be looking at him but from what I understand he isnt there

From what I've seen of Browne I'd put him more towards creator than goalscorer and that was very much his role with Auckland City last season when I saw him play (even if he did end up as their top scorer). (IMO) He wouldn't be being signed to be a Sotirio or a McCowatt, he'd be being signed to compete with (or play alongside) Davila.

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over 6 years ago

kwlap wrote:

can we signing Williams' son? 

fify



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RR wrote:



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RoriM6 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Not sure why we're looking at David Browne's goalscoring stats. He's just a good player worth taking a look at, not a 'Krishna replacement'.

I'll play. If you are analysing whether a player can step up to the next level then you should look and see if he has the same impact at the highest level he has played at rather than just having an impact vs the also rans (sorry Special One).

I think I agree with News here. From what I understand he is a forward so its fair you would look at the stats that are expected as a forward and then to analyse you need to look at context behind the stats. Goals is a great stat but Goals against opposition provides context to analyse the potential there, the fact he was not scoring against top opposition does not indicate he is ready for a step up (As the opposition would be a higher standard), I dont think anyone is saying he is a Krishna replacement but is it worth an import slot to us when we have already signed a better squad forward from the Prem (McCowatt) and a Better squad forward from the league (Sotirio)?? 

If Browne was McCowatt level fair to be looking at him but from what I understand he isnt there

Better than McCowatt - his role at ACFC was far more creative and he was never the one putting the goals in the back of the net (barely took any shots at all, and played very wide most games, hugging the sideline and taking it upon himself to start attacks). His playstyle reminds me of Hazard, it's clear he has a technical talent above anyone else in the league. There's a reason he made Eredivisie matchday squads at 20 years old.

But then again he'd be an import... worth a trial and not an immediate import slot, because as you say there's no telling how well he'd step up against bigger opposition, and he was shut down rather easily in games against better opposition like TW. Personally wouldn't sign him unless we were in a pickle

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over 6 years ago

mrsmiis wrote:

RoriM6 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Not sure why we're looking at David Browne's goalscoring stats. He's just a good player worth taking a look at, not a 'Krishna replacement'.

I'll play. If you are analysing whether a player can step up to the next level then you should look and see if he has the same impact at the highest level he has played at rather than just having an impact vs the also rans (sorry Special One).

I think I agree with News here. From what I understand he is a forward so its fair you would look at the stats that are expected as a forward and then to analyse you need to look at context behind the stats. Goals is a great stat but Goals against opposition provides context to analyse the potential there, the fact he was not scoring against top opposition does not indicate he is ready for a step up (As the opposition would be a higher standard), I dont think anyone is saying he is a Krishna replacement but is it worth an import slot to us when we have already signed a better squad forward from the Prem (McCowatt) and a Better squad forward from the league (Sotirio)?? 

If Browne was McCowatt level fair to be looking at him but from what I understand he isnt there

Better than McCowatt - his role at ACFC was far more creative and he was never the one putting the goals in the back of the net (barely took any shots at all, and played very wide most games, hugging the sideline and taking it upon himself to start attacks). His playstyle reminds me of Hazard, it's clear he has a technical talent above anyone else in the league. There's a reason he made Eredivisie matchday squads at 20 years old.

But then again he'd be an import... worth a trial and not an immediate import slot, because as you say there's no telling how well he'd step up against bigger opposition, and he was shut down rather easily in games against better opposition like TW. Personally wouldn't sign him unless we were in a pickle

I do like Pickles 

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over 6 years ago

mmm Pickles

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over 6 years ago

RR wrote:

And now I'm breaking news that is being mentioned on the forums! Look mum, I made it! :-) :-)



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over 6 years ago

I said Davey

You're gonna be the one to save me

And after all

You're my David Ball...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 6 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

RR wrote:

Your Ball, your word?

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over 6 years ago

Checks out, he left Britain on Tuesday at 2pm apparently (at least I think i remember reading that) 

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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double up..

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 6 years ago

this signing has the potential to be a complete Balls Up.

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over 6 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

this signing has the potential to be a complete Balls Up.

Not if we keep our eyes on the Ball.

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over 6 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

I said Davey

You're gonna be the one to save me

And after all

You're my David Ball...


Surely this ends all debate on whether we should sign him or not, with a chant like that how could you not be excited to have him on board?!??!?

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over 6 years ago

Dont forget that a certain Shane Smeltz had a pretty ordinary record playing in the conference league prior to coming to the Nix

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over 6 years ago

charliec wrote:

Dont forget that a certain Shane Smeltz had a pretty ordinary record playing in the conference league prior to coming to the Nix

Copy/pasted from every forward rumour/signing since 2009.
E + R + O

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over 6 years ago

RoriM6 wrote:

mrsmiis wrote:

RoriM6 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Not sure why we're looking at David Browne's goalscoring stats. He's just a good player worth taking a look at, not a 'Krishna replacement'.

I'll play. If you are analysing whether a player can step up to the next level then you should look and see if he has the same impact at the highest level he has played at rather than just having an impact vs the also rans (sorry Special One).

I think I agree with News here. From what I understand he is a forward so its fair you would look at the stats that are expected as a forward and then to analyse you need to look at context behind the stats. Goals is a great stat but Goals against opposition provides context to analyse the potential there, the fact he was not scoring against top opposition does not indicate he is ready for a step up (As the opposition would be a higher standard), I dont think anyone is saying he is a Krishna replacement but is it worth an import slot to us when we have already signed a better squad forward from the Prem (McCowatt) and a Better squad forward from the league (Sotirio)?? 

If Browne was McCowatt level fair to be looking at him but from what I understand he isnt there

Better than McCowatt - his role at ACFC was far more creative and he was never the one putting the goals in the back of the net (barely took any shots at all, and played very wide most games, hugging the sideline and taking it upon himself to start attacks). His playstyle reminds me of Hazard, it's clear he has a technical talent above anyone else in the league. There's a reason he made Eredivisie matchday squads at 20 years old.

But then again he'd be an import... worth a trial and not an immediate import slot, because as you say there's no telling how well he'd step up against bigger opposition, and he was shut down rather easily in games against better opposition like TW. Personally wouldn't sign him unless we were in a pickle

I do like Pickles 

Wow that escalated quickly.

My comments on Lealafa and Brown were based on what Domey said on the pod that they use instat as an indicator for players they are looking to sign both made the instat ISPS team of the year not far behind McCowatt but both played fewer games. Browne played for the second teams in Holland ala Sings signing at Munich so a 20ish-year-old who possibly could be on-sold appeals more than a 30-year-old who is on the other end of his career. Lealafa is something different who could change games late so also should be considered. Both appear more tactically astute than Krishna was when he arrived. IMO a League 2 plodder does not appeal.

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over 6 years ago

RoriM6 wrote:

mrsmiis wrote:

RoriM6 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Not sure why we're looking at David Browne's goalscoring stats. He's just a good player worth taking a look at, not a 'Krishna replacement'.

I'll play. If you are analysing whether a player can step up to the next level then you should look and see if he has the same impact at the highest level he has played at rather than just having an impact vs the also rans (sorry Special One).

I think I agree with News here. From what I understand he is a forward so its fair you would look at the stats that are expected as a forward and then to analyse you need to look at context behind the stats. Goals is a great stat but Goals against opposition provides context to analyse the potential there, the fact he was not scoring against top opposition does not indicate he is ready for a step up (As the opposition would be a higher standard), I dont think anyone is saying he is a Krishna replacement but is it worth an import slot to us when we have already signed a better squad forward from the Prem (McCowatt) and a Better squad forward from the league (Sotirio)?? 

If Browne was McCowatt level fair to be looking at him but from what I understand he isnt there

Better than McCowatt - his role at ACFC was far more creative and he was never the one putting the goals in the back of the net (barely took any shots at all, and played very wide most games, hugging the sideline and taking it upon himself to start attacks). His playstyle reminds me of Hazard, it's clear he has a technical talent above anyone else in the league. There's a reason he made Eredivisie matchday squads at 20 years old.

But then again he'd be an import... worth a trial and not an immediate import slot, because as you say there's no telling how well he'd step up against bigger opposition, and he was shut down rather easily in games against better opposition like TW. Personally wouldn't sign him unless we were in a pickle

I do like Pickles 

Wow that escalated quickly.

My comments on Lealafa and Brown were based on what Domey said on the pod that they use instat as an indicator for players they are looking to sign both made the instat ISPS team of the year not far behind McCowatt but both played fewer games. Browne played for the second teams in Holland ala Sings signing at Munich so a 20ish-year-old who possibly could be on-sold appeals more than a 30-year-old who is on the other end of his career. Lealafa is something different who could change games late so also should be considered. Both appear more tactically astute than Krishna was when he arrived. IMO a League 2 plodder does not appeal.

I agree with this but I am hoping I am proven wrong. 

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over 6 years ago

In the 3 ACFC games I watched this year, Lealafa had zero work rate when off the ball. The game has changed now where you have your front men start the defensive surge. If you offer nothing off the ball, then you become a liability. Krishna was always agressive in chasing players down off the ball. Semmi offers more in that respect, but I would not sign him either.

Browne has talent but I'm not sure he is the player we are looking for in the space we want. He is also rather slight and does not deal well with contact.

Thats my arguments if we were looking at them. I would not look at them to begin with. I don't think they meet the standard. Compare Browne to McCowatt and McCowatt is the better player and a local.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 6 years ago

Lea'afala can't even cement a week in and week out starting spot at the 3rd best team in the NZFC yet the Phoenix should use an import spot on him?

Some people should take those Blue and White tinted glasses off.


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over 6 years ago

How does Browne compare to Awad as a creative midfielder ?

I see Awad got another assist for the Melbourne Knight couple of days ago. And he doesn't take up an import spot.

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over 6 years ago

and Watson got a brace... hard to judge anyone based on amateur leagues. 

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over 6 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

and Watson got a brace... hard to judge anyone based on amateur leagues. 

Watson had moments of belonging at A league level. Would have been interesting to see if Rudan couldve shaped him into anything 



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over 6 years ago

RoriM6 wrote:

IMO a League 2 plodder does not appeal.

I agree with this but I am hoping I am proven wrong. 

Good thing we are not signing someone from League Two then isn't it? Ball hasn't played in League Two since the 13/14 season.
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over 6 years ago

Are we getting an import signing today?

Currently suffering exile in Christchurch

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over 6 years ago

Yes. Widely expected to be David Ball.

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over 6 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Yes. Widely expected to be David Ball.

Wee factoid (may have been mentioned earlier - have not read thread).

David Ball was in Manchester City's winning FA Youth Cup team of 2008. Team mates included Kieran Trippier & Ben Mee.

I know, I know, its serious!

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over 6 years ago

Turfmoore wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Yes. Widely expected to be David Ball.

Wee factoid (may have been mentioned earlier - have not read thread).

David Ball was in Manchester City's winning FA Youth Cup team of 2008. Team mates included Kieran Trippier & Ben Mee.

There's aso this:

https://www.efl.com/news/2015/november/david-ball-honoured-by-fifa-puskas-award-nomination-alongside-lionel-messi-and-carlos-tevez/

"David Ball honoured by FIFA Puskas Award nomination alongside Lionel Messi and Carlos Tevez"

25 November 2015

"The striker is a nominee for the Award, which is presented to the player, from either the men's or women's game, judged to have scored the best goal of the year, for his spectacular lob in Fleetwood's 1-1 draw against rivals Preston North End in Sky Bet League 1." 

Video of the goal on that link too.

Rooney is the only other Englishman to ever be nominated for that award.

Jamie Vardey also played for Fleetwood Town...

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 6 years ago

David Browne wouldn't be worth an import slot in my opinion but would be worth the Nix running an eye over in case he takes out NZ citizenship a la Krishna in future.

I think he's lived much of his life here since going to boarding school in Auckland, albeit with a period in Holland after high school.

He might take out citizenship in a few years?

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 6 years ago

Was a great lower league player for me in a FM13 save once, I figure that means he's guaranteed to do well at the Nix, right?

Valley FC til I die?

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over 6 years ago

I'm actually amazed how many people know him from FIFA/FM games.

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over 6 years ago

Surge wrote:

charliec wrote:

Dont forget that a certain Shane Smeltz had a pretty ordinary record playing in the conference league prior to coming to the Nix

Copy/pasted from every forward rumour/signing since 2009.

It's a worthy point though. I think maybe the style of play in A-league is different enough that signings from foreign leagues (visa or not in Smeltz's case) are such a lottery, relying on stats or previous performances to judge a player is essentially worthless.

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over 6 years ago

Jaickin wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:

I said Davey

You're gonna be the one to save me

And after all

You're my David Ball...


Surely this ends all debate on whether we should sign him or not, with a chant like that how could you not be excited to have him on board?!??!?

There are many things that i'd like to say to you but I don't know how...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 6 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

Surge wrote:

charliec wrote:

Dont forget that a certain Shane Smeltz had a pretty ordinary record playing in the conference league prior to coming to the Nix

Copy/pasted from every forward rumour/signing since 2009.

It's a worthy point though. I think maybe the style of play in A-league is different enough that signings from foreign leagues (visa or not in Smeltz's case) are such a lottery, relying on stats or previous performances to judge a player is essentially worthless.

We now have Myer in NZ so shopping is no longer an excuse to leave...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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