Yeah, the really hard working midfielders get to 12-13km.
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Didn't meanto put 7 in.
I was on the phone at the same time.That means ive f**ked up some work somewhere.
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I'm so glad that Tim Brown's critics know the meaning of hard work. After all, they bothered to take a cursorary look for statistics before sounding off.
OH WAIT.
In seconds, I can find actual numbers, from FIFA. If you want to bag him for a Jekyll/Hyde routine depending on the shirt, then - maybe. But just characterising the player as workshy is unjustified.
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Well, it does require some work trying to get away from the ball for 90+ minutes.
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There is no direct relationship between Tim's running distance and his contribution and effectiveness in our midfield....
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I'm so glad that Tim Brown's critics know the meaning of hard work. After all, they bothered to take a cursorary look for statistics before sounding off.
OH WAIT.
In seconds, I can find actual numbers, from FIFA. If you want to bag him for a Jekyll/Hyde routine depending on the shirt, then - maybe. But just characterising the player as workshy is unjustified.
hold on, are you trying to tell me that all opinions voiced here are based on fact and we cant say what we want to believe??
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Paston
Cam/Leo Durante SigmUnd Lochhead
Manny Brown
Smith Sanchez Ward
Greenie
intrigued to see if Lindsay can hold his own at rb,but would be happy for leo to play there.
Cam/Leo Durante SigmUnd Lochhead
Manny Brown
Smith Sanchez Ward
Greenie
intrigued to see if Lindsay can hold his own at rb,but would be happy for leo to play there.
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we'd find out pretty quickly.. we just can't afford to have manny there, and im not convinced by anyone else there.and as bertos is not really offering much up front of late smith is more needed further up. and with bertos' pace he can bang down the wing. clutching at straws i know but best 11 on the park needed to have any chance.
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this is true, a bit of a juggling act due to lack of numbers.
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I'm so glad that Tim Brown's critics know the meaning of hard work. After all, they bothered to take a cursorary look for statistics before sounding off.
OH WAIT.
In seconds, I can find actual numbers, from FIFA. If you want to bag him for a Jekyll/Hyde routine depending on the shirt, then - maybe. But just characterising the player as workshy is unjustified.
hold on, are you trying to tell me that all opinions voiced here are based on fact and we cant say what we want to believe??
No, I'm trying to tell you that certain events have filled me with a TOWERING RAGE and that any outbreaks of stupid will be greeted with FURY.
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There is no direct relationship between Tim's running distance and his contribution and effectiveness in our midfield....
From your earlier statements about Brown making "countless" mistakes each match, I have concluded that you struggle with double digits. This puts you in the "too stupid to argue with" camp.
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I'm so glad that Tim Brown's critics know the meaning of hard work.� After all, they bothered to take a cursorary look for statistics before sounding off.
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OH WAIT.
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In seconds, I can find actual numbers, from FIFA.� If you want to bag him for a Jekyll/Hyde routine depending on the shirt, then - maybe.� But just characterising the player as workshy is unjustified.
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hold on, are you trying to tell me that all opinions voiced here are based on fact and we cant say what we want to believe??
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No, I'm trying to tell you that certain events have filled me with a TOWERING RAGE and that any outbreaks of stupid will be greeted with FURY.
Lighten up.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
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I'm so glad that Tim Brown's critics know the meaning of hard work. After all, they bothered to take a cursorary look for statistics before sounding off.
OH WAIT.
In seconds, I can find actual numbers, from FIFA. If you want to bag him for a Jekyll/Hyde routine depending on the shirt, then - maybe. But just characterising the player as workshy is unjustified.
Fuck this stupid game
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I'm so glad that Tim Brown's critics know the meaning of hard work. After all, they bothered to take a cursorary look for statistics before sounding off.
OH WAIT.
In seconds, I can find actual numbers, from FIFA. If you want to bag him for a Jekyll/Hyde routine depending on the shirt, then - maybe. But just characterising the player as workshy is unjustified.
hold on, are you trying to tell me that all opinions voiced here are based on fact and we cant say what we want to believe??
No, I'm trying to tell you that certain events have filled me with a TOWERING RAGE and that any outbreaks of stupid will be greeted with FURY.
Lighten up.
I'm so glad that you took time out from jerking off to pictures of your mother to tell me that.
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5. Thread domination. Do not try to bully someone into submission or disparage every comment they make, simply because their views may differ from your own. Write a coherent reply setting out your views and then let others have their say.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
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I'm so glad that Tim Brown's critics know the meaning of hard work.� After all, they bothered to take a cursorary look for statistics before sounding off.
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OH WAIT.
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In seconds, I can find actual numbers, from FIFA.� If you want to bag him for a Jekyll/Hyde routine depending on the shirt, then - maybe.� But just characterising the player as workshy is unjustified.
Actually, I would say that figure surprised me, I didn't realise keepers ran so far in a game.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
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I wasn't talking 'actually' 
Fuck this stupid game
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Pretty sure that the stats refer to movement during the game, not necessarily just running. So walking around the penalty box, etc, would all be counted.
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I'm so glad that Tim Brown's critics know the meaning of hard work.� After all, they bothered to take a cursorary look for statistics before sounding off.
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OH WAIT.
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In seconds, I can find actual numbers, from FIFA.� If you want to bag him for a Jekyll/Hyde routine depending on the shirt, then - maybe.� But just characterising the player as workshy is unjustified.
What impressed me was the little amount of running Xavi did compared to the rest- maybe hes secretly a capital 7 player in disguise?
OR
the better players have to run less than the rest, and tim brown is actually rubbish after all?
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Xavi's lack of movement is well known. He sits relatively deep and dictates play with his passing.
If lots of running = rubbish, then consider what you're saying about Fabregas.
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correct(El Grap) , basic GPS stats like that only cover distance covered. There will be more stats out there collected from that game that will show his fastest sprint and time walking, but obviously hey arent published.
Also. One games stats do not cover a whole career.
Stefan2011-11-11 13:27:20
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Are we really comparing post-socceroos injury tim with pre-socceroos injury Tim?
Why?
Why?
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Probably has something to do with the naive belief that an injured player might be able to recover his fitness, given the proper support.
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Are we really comparing post-socceroos injury tim with pre-socceroos injury Tim? Why?
Thats like comparing pre-socceroos 'tackles' Leo with post-socceroos 'tackles' Leo
Yellow Whever Whanganui
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I actually don't think playing Leo in a RB position for this match would be that stupid. We're not really looking to blitz them down the wings, we're probably more looking to stop them blitzing us and getting in behind our fullbacks.
At least Leo should have the pace to keep up with them down the wing, and maybe just hamper their attacks.
At least Leo should have the pace to keep up with them down the wing, and maybe just hamper their attacks.
Yellow Whever Whanganui
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Probably has something to do with the naive belief that an injured player might be able to recover his fitness, given the proper support.
i don't think fitness is the issue. Self belief/confidence, perhaps
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Piney wrote a great article on 442, and suggested we even dabble with the 3 across the back.
3-5-2 would be my choice
Paston
SigmUnd Durante Griffiths
Muscat
Bertos Brown Lochead
Sanchez
Smith Greenacre
Bench:
Daniel
Ward
Tsatallios / Lindsay
Warner
On defence can drop to 5 across the back (or 6 if you count Muscat in front of the backs). Sanchez playing in behind the front two, but also more like a 3rd striker.
Let the wing-backs run until they cough up their lungs, and then bring on a entire new middle 3. Put Tsatallios wide on the left (he's left footed isn't he) And let him play wing back too.
If we don't have pace down the wings, they'll just keep exploiting it, and playing balls across the face of the goal all day.
On defence, just crowd the midfield and defence. Cut of their short passing game, and let them get restless. Let them make the mistake. Then try and beat them on the counter.
Of course, this is just what i would do and, Ricki.. im still waiting for that assistant coaches role...
3-5-2 would be my choice
Paston
SigmUnd Durante Griffiths
Muscat
Bertos Brown Lochead
Sanchez
Smith Greenacre
Bench:
Daniel
Ward
Tsatallios / Lindsay
Warner
On defence can drop to 5 across the back (or 6 if you count Muscat in front of the backs). Sanchez playing in behind the front two, but also more like a 3rd striker.
Let the wing-backs run until they cough up their lungs, and then bring on a entire new middle 3. Put Tsatallios wide on the left (he's left footed isn't he) And let him play wing back too.
If we don't have pace down the wings, they'll just keep exploiting it, and playing balls across the face of the goal all day.
On defence, just crowd the midfield and defence. Cut of their short passing game, and let them get restless. Let them make the mistake. Then try and beat them on the counter.
Of course, this is just what i would do and, Ricki.. im still waiting for that assistant coaches role...
Yellow Whever Whanganui
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can leo tackle?? or win headers???
I think it might be worth a look. I think he could be a least as effective as Niko, and probably better. He did ok at wing back in the World Cup, and I think is probably worth a shot...
needs the right mid to track back a bit and help out of course...
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I actually don't think playing Leo in a RB position for this match would be that stupid. We're not really looking to blitz them down the wings, we're probably more looking to stop them blitzing us and getting in behind our fullbacks.
At least Leo should have the pace to keep up with them down the wing, and maybe just hamper their attacks.
At least Leo should have the pace to keep up with them down the wing, and maybe just hamper their attacks.
This- I don't think he can be worse than hearfield, downey, or niko and he's struggling to justify a right wing starting spot at the moment.
Would be a way to keep his skills in the mix for now, and hope the others get better.
how would brown go at right back????? too slow??
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There is no direct relationship between Tim's running distance and his contribution and effectiveness in our midfield....
From your earlier statements about Brown making "countless" mistakes each match, I have concluded that you struggle with double digits. This puts you in the "too stupid to argue with" camp.
You win, because surely Brown will start for us every week regardless of what people say, but don't bring this personal with me.
Also, i have never said Brown making "countless mistakes", in fact i said him to be a "great nz footballer", but that all means nothing if he doesn't perform to the standard.
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There is no direct relationship between Tim's running distance and his contribution and effectiveness in our midfield....
[/QUOTE]From your earlier statements about Brown making "countless" mistakes each match, I have concluded that you struggle with double digits. This puts you in the "too stupid to argue with" camp.
You win, because surely Brown will start for us every week regardless of what people say, but don't bring this personal with me.
Also, i have never said Brown making "countless mistakes", in fact i said him to be a "great nz footballer", but that all means nothing if he doesn't perform to the standard.
This is what one might call "a lie". I quoted you directly on "countless" and indirectly on "mistakes", referring to this:
[QUOTE=Safire]Countless times this season i see Brown giving away the ball in midfield, heading the ball straight back to opposition, not tracking back and help out defence..etc...
There is, of course, no law against changing your tune from day to day - but doing so may undermine your authority on the subject of consistency.
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There is no direct relationship between Tim's running distance and his contribution and effectiveness in our midfield....
[/QUOTE]From your earlier statements about Brown making "countless" mistakes each match, I have concluded that you struggle with double digits. This puts you in the "too stupid to argue with" camp.
You win, because surely Brown will start for us every week regardless of what people say, but don't bring this personal with me.
Also, i have never said Brown making "countless mistakes", in fact i said him to be a "great nz footballer", but that all means nothing if he doesn't perform to the standard.
This is what one might call "a lie". I quoted you directly on "countless" and indirectly on "mistakes", referring to this:
[QUOTE=Safire]Countless times this season i see Brown giving away the ball in midfield, heading the ball straight back to opposition, not tracking back and help out defence..etc...
There is, of course, no law against changing your tune from day to day - but doing so may undermine your authority on the subject of consistency.
so you are taking me on lol, alright...
if you read my post in full you would know that i think Brown is a great footballer, but he hasn't been performing well enough this season, did you see the word "this season"? Also, depends on how you define "mistakes", people can argue that losing the ball / not tracking back is not so much of a mistake, as long as you can do other things right, i.e. score a goal etc. did people ever criticise Greenie for losing the ball?
My whole point was to point out that Brown is not in form this season, not scoring goals at the moment and together with his playing style (poacher from midfield, not tackler / playmaker), he contributes very little to our midfield. Thus all i said was to "bench" him, it might do good to him and to the Phoenix, everythng i said i gave reasonings and was no where near being "haters" with no reason.
Before you headlessly criticise other people's opinions i'd like to hear what you think about Tim and his performance so far this season? what you like about him, what was his contribution to the team so far and why would you keep him in our starting XI week in and week out?
If you can't respect other people's genuine opinions on this forum and go somewhere else, why personal attack!? why YF forum is getting like this these days?
Safire2011-11-11 15:56:41
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Safire, I while you did quote my point, you don't seem to have understood it:
From your earlier statements about Brown making "countless" mistakes each match, I have concluded that you struggle with double digits. This puts you in the "too stupid to argue with" camp.
Your lack of understanding, of course, is all the argument I need. 
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There is no direct relationship between Tim's running distance and his contribution and effectiveness in our midfield....
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From your earlier statements about Brown making "countless" mistakes each match, I have concluded that you struggle with double digits.��This puts you in the "too stupid to argue with" camp.
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You win, because surely Brown will start for us every week regardless of what people say, but don't bring this personal�with me.
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Also, i have never said Brown making "countless mistakes", in fact i said him to be a "great nz footballer", but that all means nothing if he doesn't perform to the standard.
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This is what one might call "a lie".� I quoted you directly on "countless" and indirectly on "mistakes", referring to this:
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[QUOTE=Safire]Countless times this season i see�Brown giving away the ball in midfield, heading the ball straight back to opposition, not tracking back and help out defence..etc...
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There is, of course, no law against changing your tune from day to day - but doing so may undermine your authority on the subject of consistency.
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so you are taking me on lol, alright...
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if you read my post in full you would know that i think Brown is a great footballer, but he hasn't been performing well enough this season, did you see the word "this season"?�Also, depends on how you define "mistakes", people can argue that losing the ball / not tracking back is not so much of a mistake, as long as you can do other things right, i.e. score a goal etc. did people ever�criticise�Greenie for losing the ball?
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My whole point was to point out that Brown is not in form this season, not scoring goals at the moment and together with his playing style (poacher from midfield, not tackler / playmaker), he contributes very little to our midfield.� Thus all i said was to "bench" him, it might do good to him�and to the Phoenix, everythng i said i gave reasonings and�was no where near being "haters" with no reason.
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Before you headlessly criticise�other people's opinions i'd like to hear what you think about Tim and his performance�so far this season? what you like about him, what was his contribution to the team so far and why would you keep him in our starting XI week in and week out?
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If you can't respect other people's genuine opinions on this forum and go somewhere else, why�personal attack!?�why YF forum is getting like this these days?
As you correctly mentioned, Tim's performance this season has not been up to standard.Sometimes the best thing is to bench the player and if he is made of the right stuff that would be sufficient to make them realise that they are not automatic starters.
I have seen this happen many time to good effect.
The problem is that at the moment we have a lot of injuries and only just enough fit players.
I would take him out of midfield and play him in behind Grennie.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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can leo tackle?? or win headers???
Can Tsattalios?
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Anyone going? anyone know of a good Bar nearby?
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hmmm....
no one has considered the option of Siggie to right back? been done before. And then he gets to maraud forward
no one has considered the option of Siggie to right back? been done before. And then he gets to maraud forward
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hmmm....
no one has considered the option of Siggie to right back? been done before. And then he gets to maraud forward
no one has considered the option of Siggie to right back? been done before. And then he gets to maraud forward
Bingo!!!!!!!!
Then have Muscat as a deep defensive midfielder.
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