Nix v Roar

I also disagree with those saying it was a game of 2 halves - for me it was a game of four quarters, Roar having the first of those, and Phoenix having the following 3. We were dominating them (without creating many chances to be fair) long before half time.

pretty negative NZPA match report on stuff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/2779491/Phoenix-draw-with-Roar

who writes this trash talk

I've been a typical kiwi rugby supporter also enjoying quality other sport for decades and got into football supporting then refereeing then coaching my daughter's teams over the last dozen years

and there is no way the Phoenix warrant that sort of sh*t report

rugby test last night - boring, nothing overly skillful and the game no longer "works" rules wise
phoenix match - good level of skill, good pace, no downtime and a good exciting competitive game

NZPA have dished out a piece of bigotted lazy reporting in my view

'Kruse almost offered up the winning opportunity in injury time, the youngster making a clumsy two-footed challenge on Bertos in the Roar corner. Television replays clearly showed the stupidity and dangerousness of the challange, but the Phoenix were unable to convert from the resulting free kick. Thankfully, Bertos was not badly injured in the incident and Kruse was hugely fortunate to remain on the park'.

My feelings about this game were pretty damn simple.

Feverish2009-08-23 22:51:09

Addicks2009-08-23 22:59:59

I thought the article was fine. Cite specifically what the issue with it is...

Will read it in tomorrow's DomPost hopefully and then see the voxpop follow-up!

Phoenix has a good away draw against a pretty highly ranked team, pressing for a win at full time and playing attractive football; and we get this crap, all with a negative slant ...

"Wellington Phoenix marginally enhanced a poor away record
"showed an attacking intent after halftime which had been sorely lacking before the break.
"Wellington entered the game determined to improve a dismal record away from home since joining the league in 2007-08 which now reads 15 losses, three draws and just five wins.
"A muted performance in front of goal in the first half in Brisbane against a side who had leaked six goals in their previous two matches did not help Wellington's cause.
"Wellington coach Ricki Herbert tinkered with his playing formation at halftime

and then some begrudgingly positive comment about the second half

more like a hatchet job than a sport report

Not exactly cheerleading, but WAY too much angst.

lol News - yeh maybe getting melodramatic but i'll stick with the view that it's pretty unreasonably negative reporting

just compare it with the giddy reports on a fairly tedious rugby test, toasting a 1 pt win over a weak Aussie side

All true isn't it?

I don't see whats so negative. Its all true.

• We have a poor away record still with 4 draws instead of 3.

• We put more shots on goal in the 2nd half. 1st half we had 1 on target and Reddy did f**k all
• they didn't try to improve a dismal away record or you think thats not a dismal away record?
• Like I said, 1 shot on target, 3 shots in the 1st half. Read the game thread. Alot of people commented that we had increasing possession and did nothing with it. Crosses went long quite frequently.
  
• We've all stated that he pushed Ifill further forward after the half.
  

There is nothing negative or untrue. I think you are being a bit precious.

Jeff Vader2009-08-23 23:42:23

I didn't think it was that bad, tbh. 

OK OK I take your points - less precious and angsty. 

Jeez, let your hair down some time guys. 

yes much of it was true, but much of it was about history, not the game and this Phoenix side.
The opening para "marginally enhanced a poor away record in football's A-League by fighting hard for a 1-1 draw"  Hell, we were fighting hard for a win at the end and the Roar were in a mess with 7 yellow cards and a red, just the general tone of it seemed unecessarily non-positive. "Marginally enhanced poor away record" FFS what did that have to do with the game?

I think Steve-O's comments pretty much sum it up for me:


mjp22009-08-24 00:10:50

Perth, Newcastle and Sydney all had dismal away records too last season. Don't know about 2007 - from memory it was a little better.

Suitably specific citings for you there, Jeff?
I didn't think the article was fine myself,
its tone and tenor arrogant almost dismissive at times, with reluctant acknowledgement that the Nix dominated and frustrated Roar for the majority of the match.
 Yes there's plenty to work on, but this season the Nix really has some promise..how about some encouragement from our local press ffs,.. leave the crap reporting to the Aussies.

In the 23rd mintue I'm sure I could hear the Clogs singing the Wellington Is Wonderful tune???

Pretty happy with that. Can't wait to watch the full replay.

I think the highest ever ... I could be wrong...


1 Gold Coast United 3 3 0 0 10 1 9 9 2 Sydney FC 3 2 1 0 4 2 2 7 3 Central Coast Mariners FC 3 1 2 0 3 1 2 5 4 Wellington Phoenix FC 3 1 1 1 5 5 0 4 5 Newcastle Jets FC 3 1 1 1 4 5 -1 4 5 Melbourne Victory FC 3 1 1 1 4 5 -1 4 7 Perth Glory FC 3 1 0 2 3 3 0 3 8 Adelaide United FC 3 1 0 2 1 3 -2 3 9 Brisbane Roar FC 3 0 2 1 5 7 -2 2 10 North Queensland Fury 3 0 0 3 2 9 -7 0 Midfielder2009-08-24 01:48:29

So anybody know if Bertos is okay? I don't know how to read a newspaper...

A collective sigh of relief

Further to the discussion about the NZPA article. Fred Woodcock has a better contribution today.

Yeh - the article this morning is much less focused on the Phoenix poor away history and more on the game and the good result.  I reckon Woodcock's article is good.  For what it's worth.

I had a look at 442 last night and their reporting was also better - a lot on the Roar loosing the plot, Farina's send-off and quite a bit on the good play of the Phoenix and that they deserved the result and may have been unlucky not to have come away with the win.  And plenty of Aussie 442 punters saw Kruse's tackle the same way the Fever have, just with fewer threats of physical retribution.

Roll on Sydney.

The goals

It was sublime. He really looked the goods for those 20 mins. hopefully he can keep the consistency and really start pushing hard. The more competitive positions the better. 

Daniel had one of the Clog's pre-schoolers (Oar) chase him down and just take the ball off him not long after he came on. He stood and looked at him like he was just a brat and maybe he should let him have the ball. Wasn't great. He's been losing the ball a fair bit and doing what he normally does, watch them run away with it. Ferrante on the other hand will always chase and try to get it back. He did get it back a couple of times too.
Royal2009-08-24 13:45:01