I would have been fine with two. Reading stats from all walks of football, you don't get 6 offsides for 1 side at this level (except tonight)
Its just unforgivable. What was it the other night, Greenacre leads the league for offsides with 21 and Ifill is not far behind at 15...???????
Can everyone stop crying about offside goals and hand ball goals, it happens , I'd rather not read about moaning about them it happened thats life move on.
NO!! Usually I'd agree with you but for some reason after this game I am right pissed off. We created chances, ran at opponents (sometimes even with the ball!)had plenty of shots on target and were still undone by a couple of (from my non MySky view) offside decisions (one for Sydney, one against Ifill)and as blatant a handball as you will ever see.
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Yeah but you moaning about it won't fix it. Offsides occur, and when you get away with it well done. Handballs will continue to happen until fifa do something about it.
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Whilst we can bemoan bad luck, good keeping and poor calls when missing goals, its harder to make excuses for when we conceed them.
How do you go from been one of hte tighest defensive units to conceeding more goals than any other team in a season.
We need lochead back. With him back the team would almost certainly conceed less and would give us more options for the rb position and create competition. Also the left mid would be able t play freer knowing he has someone decent behind him.
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Meh as a fan you can feel aggrieved about it.
Would you act the same if you won powerball then someone stole your ticket? "thefts happen - but moaning about it won't fix it"
Would you act the same if you won powerball then someone stole your ticket? "thefts happen - but moaning about it won't fix it"
Allegedly
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Handballs will continue to happen until fifa do something about it.
Or amputation.
Sydney should feel very lucky they don't play in the Arabian league!
I know, I know, its serious!
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Handballs will continue to happen until fifa do something about it.
Or amputation. Sydney should feel very lucky they don't play in the Arabian league!
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Ive said it before and I'll say it again... if we want to be one of the best A-League squads, Sigmund and Hearfield have to go. They have no place in a squad with aspirations of a top 2 finish.
Its just the same old sh*t every week since day one. sh*t defending. Yeah ok, we had a few game last year where we held it together long enough to finish 4th, but lets be honest here... nothings really changed has it?
Its just the same old sh*t every week since day one. sh*t defending. Yeah ok, we had a few game last year where we held it together long enough to finish 4th, but lets be honest here... nothings really changed has it?
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We actually played pretty well. They converted their (very few) chances, and we didn't.
Nil Desperandum!
We're gonna win the league!
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
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I was reasonably happy with what I saw but not the result. A pity we didn't show this level of promise earlier in the season, I think it might be a bit too late now. Silver lining [if there is one] is that RH can perhaps now try some new things. I get the impression that he is a bit more attuned, now, to what is needed than he was a month or so ago. Even though we have one of the top strikers in the league, he tends to score his goals through brilliance, we are not scoring enough goals through hard graft and good finishing [like the last 2 Sydney goals]. We need a good clinical striker who actually scores goals. Back that up with better delivery from the wings and we would be a much better prospect.
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to do that NP we'd actually need to start our games witha striker on the field. I realise Ifill plays as striker lately but in reality he is an attacking/scoring midfielder. We need to be playing two up front either Ifill and Greenie or Big Mac and Greenie with Ifill out wide.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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we put in 5000000 crosses which go nowhere and come to nothing. then for one slight second in the game we play a through ball through the middle on the ground, and what do you know, we get a goal!
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blub blub blub,� Im on this site almost daily.�
So how come a quick look through your post history tells us that your last post before tonight was November 14, and there was nothing during either the Heart or Victory games?
You're either a massive doom merchant or a massive wind up merchant, one of the two.
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three at the back had a mare once again.
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three at the back had a mare once again.
Time for Ricki to peruse the tactics book........again
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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I thought we actually dominated,id love to see territory stats!
And this is the problem with NZ football, trying to play like rugby. I was always under the impression that football was more of a possession game than a territory game. Obviously they both play a part but having the ball is far more important. But I bet you love having Troy in the team, with his aimless lumps up the field to their centre backs.
The first goal, while Troy missed his header and blocked Pastons view of the ball leaving him no chance. Why did Pasty not come catch the ball, or punch as he likes to do? It was a lobbed cross, and the header was made from the six yard box.
Other than that I thought first half our midfield looked very good, they were actually passing it between themselves and keeping the ball. Marco looked lively when he came on, but should have at least tested the keeper late on.
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We actually played pretty well. They converted their (very few) chances, and we didn't.
Nil Desperandum!
We're gonna win the league!
This.
So much this.
Please everyone read this.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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NO SMITHY, ANGST IS EASIER. ARRGGHHHH SACK RICKI BRING BACK Kosta AND SMELTZ.
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Are people seriously advocating throwing Musa to the wolves (after showing some positioning weaknesses on debut) against probably the best wingers in the league? What it shows is how idiotic the Lochhead hate was around here. He really is a solid left back, very few goals come down his side, and he really affects the balance of the team when he is not here.
My biggest problem is that we just seem to have forgotten how to mark at the back this season. The majority of the goals I can remember conceding have been from completely free players - that and trying to deliver quality crosses rather than a) hitting the first man or b) sailing high and wide over the back post to the opposite wing.
The midfield played well, held the ball for long periods, put the wingers into dangerous positions (only to deliver terrible ball) and Ifill looked as dangerous as ever.aitkenmike2010-12-02 09:45:12
My biggest problem is that we just seem to have forgotten how to mark at the back this season. The majority of the goals I can remember conceding have been from completely free players - that and trying to deliver quality crosses rather than a) hitting the first man or b) sailing high and wide over the back post to the opposite wing.
The midfield played well, held the ball for long periods, put the wingers into dangerous positions (only to deliver terrible ball) and Ifill looked as dangerous as ever.aitkenmike2010-12-02 09:45:12
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Football can be a cruel game sometimes.
If you woke up this morning having not seen the game and reading a late goal by us gave a 1-3 scoreline you would think we were crap and got thrashed.
We dominated possession, shots on goal, territory and balls into the box(about 38 to their 13). But that last stat really shows the truth of the game. We got one goal from nearly 38 balls into the box. They got one goal for every 4.3 balls into the box.
You can talk about near misses and close calls but the bottom line is that football games are won by good defending and scoring goals. We did't do either of those particularly well.
Strangely I am encouraged by watching last nights game. I thought we played some very good football. The midfield pressed well and controlled large parts of the game. Ward was very creative out wide and Ifill could/should have scored. Marcos is a revelation.....that kid has an immense amount of talent.
There are two areas that need a lot of work. Defense and the speed of attack. We are too slow and deliberate building up on attack. By the time we have passed it back and across and then wide the opposition defense are all set in formation, backs to goal......this makes it very very hard to break down the defense. We need to get in behind the defenders more often.....turn them around. We only really looked dangerous last night when rojas beat players or ifill got one on one.
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Football can be a cruel game sometimes.
If you woke up this morning having not seen the game and reading a late goal by us gave a 1-3 scoreline you would think we were crap and got thrashed.
We dominated possession, shots on goal, territory and balls into the box(about 38 to their 13). But that last stat really shows the truth of the game. We got one goal from nearly 38 balls into the box. They got one goal for every 4.3 balls into the box.
You can talk about near misses and close calls but the bottom line is that football games are won by good defending and scoring goals. We did't do either of those particularly well.
Strangely I am encouraged by watching last nights game. I thought we played some very good football. The midfield pressed well and controlled large parts of the game. Ward was very creative out wide and Ifill could/should have scored. Marcos is a revelation.....that kid has an immense amount of talent.
There are two areas that need a lot of work. Defense and the speed of attack. We are too slow and deliberate building up on attack. By the time we have passed it back and across and then wide the opposition defense are all set in formation, backs to goal......this makes it very very hard to break down the defense. We need to get in behind the defenders more often.....turn them around. We only really looked dangerous last night when rojas beat players or ifill got one on one.
Also this.
I'm not generally a glass half full kind of guy, but we did play well last night.
I haven't seen a replay but if the offside goal was offside (and it looked it to me) then that's a bit of bad luck. Certainly the hand ball was a bit of bad luck (although I can understand how the ref could miss it).
So today, even though we got spankered on the score board, I'm more positive than I was yesterday morning.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) I didn't see the game but, reading between the angst, it sounds as if it was decent performance and we were unlucky not to take something from the game.
Is it just me who's getting a bit fed up with the "we dominated possession..." type posts? It doesn't matter if the possession count was 99 - 1. We lost. If the other team score when they're in possession, and we don't, that's all that matters. Possession, crosses into the box, etc don't mean sh*t unless there's an end product.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I've not seen a team with so much possession get spanked 3-0 for a long time.
Good point, through ball along the ground got the goal - Good too to see Macallister score his first goal, Good to see Marco play. Shame it was on a wet surface. If it had been dry, he would have shone even more!
Yes the officials were crap - yet again. Must be a case for professional refereeing by now surely?
I still cant believe we had so much possesion. That last 15 minutes we were nearly camped in their last 18 yards.
Well I hope its sunny in CHCH as we make our "now" annual pilgrimage...
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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our crossing was gash (again)
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I don't agree the refereeing was poor.
I thought Parsons had a good game.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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There were a few dodgy tackles from both sides that went unchecked so I guess his cinsistancy in the respect was good.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Football can be a cruel game sometimes.
Agreed!
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Agreed!
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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..............Its just the same old sh*t every week since day one. sh*t defending. Yeah ok, we had a few game last year where we held it together long enough to finish 4th, but lets be honest here... nothings really changed has it?
I'd suggest things have changed this year:
Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
2009/10 27 10 10 7 37 29 +8 40
2010/11 18 5 4 9 21 31 -10 19
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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halfway through the season and we are about where we were pointswise, the goals conceeded is worrying though, mckain and lochhead have been missed.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Two points:
1. How we have built a squad with only one fullback is beyond belief. Doesn't seem like Ricki realises that we cant go on playing CBs at fullback, let alone our slowest and least technical one. Has to be a huge priority for recruitment.
2. We seem to rely on attacking through either wide play, then crossing, or getting the ball to Ifill and having him take the ball into the 18yard to create something. Mcallister's goal was quite a unique goal for us in that it was the result of a defense splitting ball through the middle, quite ironic aswel that it comes from our supposed 'targetman'. If we want to rely on crossing, we need to have better delivery because last night's crossing was woeful...
1. How we have built a squad with only one fullback is beyond belief. Doesn't seem like Ricki realises that we cant go on playing CBs at fullback, let alone our slowest and least technical one. Has to be a huge priority for recruitment.
2. We seem to rely on attacking through either wide play, then crossing, or getting the ball to Ifill and having him take the ball into the 18yard to create something. Mcallister's goal was quite a unique goal for us in that it was the result of a defense splitting ball through the middle, quite ironic aswel that it comes from our supposed 'targetman'. If we want to rely on crossing, we need to have better delivery because last night's crossing was woeful...
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Wasn't it about this time last year that we started a run that took us to the play-offs? Maybe we're getting ready for lift-off again!
Agree about the Goals Against though. Considering we've added an International centre back to the squad, it's not what you would have expected. As you say, losing Lochhead through injury has been a massive blow for us, I reckon and it shows just how good McKain actually was for us last year.
As for the crossing, and attacking from wide, being our only option. Sad but true. We haven't got the mobility in midfield to play any other way. Look at the way the likes of Brisbane play, quick passing and movement through midfield.
Jag2010-12-02 11:38:59Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Two points:
1. How we have built a squad with only one fullback is beyond belief. Doesn't seem like Ricki realises that we cant go on playing CBs at fullback, let alone our slowest and least technical one. Has to be a huge priority for recruitment.
2. We seem to rely on attacking through either wide play, then crossing, or getting the ball to Ifill and having him take the ball into the 18yard to create something. Mcallister's goal was quite a unique goal for us in that it was the result of a defense splitting ball through the middle, quite ironic aswel that it comes from our supposed 'targetman'. If we want to rely on crossing, we need to have better delivery because last night's crossing was woeful...
This+
1. How we have built a squad with only one fullback is beyond belief. Doesn't seem like Ricki realises that we cant go on playing CBs at fullback, let alone our slowest and least technical one. Has to be a huge priority for recruitment.
2. We seem to rely on attacking through either wide play, then crossing, or getting the ball to Ifill and having him take the ball into the 18yard to create something. Mcallister's goal was quite a unique goal for us in that it was the result of a defense splitting ball through the middle, quite ironic aswel that it comes from our supposed 'targetman'. If we want to rely on crossing, we need to have better delivery because last night's crossing was woeful...
I have lost track of howmany combinations we have played at the back this season. North was strarting to look good as a RB and now Siggy is RB. How many goals have we let in through the channels between the CB's and the wide guys or from the CB's being pulled wide and no body covering a runner coming from midfield?
As for the crossing.....the irony is our only goal last night came from a through ball down the centre. The other 37 balls into the box gave us zilich!!!
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Heaps of pessimism on this forum. I think alot of positives can be taken from last night.
We dominated possession for large spells but were very unlucky.
Rojas is a great talent and should start while Leo is injured, Leo can sub on for him later (he's probably not fit for 90, give him 60 or so)
Our piss poor crossing shows we really need Leo and Lochy (not that I particualy rate Leo's crossing bit inconsistent also)
Absolutly agree with the above we can attack through the middle and should. Also we should be taking the ball to byline more often and cutting it back.
Bring on the 4-4-2, the team that finished last night should be similar to the one that starts in Chch.
Also we need a chant new chant for sydney relating to their epic, evil handling of balls.
P.S anyone know where to get match stats for the game? I want to see the shots/on target and final possession and terriotory stats.
We dominated possession for large spells but were very unlucky.
Rojas is a great talent and should start while Leo is injured, Leo can sub on for him later (he's probably not fit for 90, give him 60 or so)
Our piss poor crossing shows we really need Leo and Lochy (not that I particualy rate Leo's crossing bit inconsistent also)
Absolutly agree with the above we can attack through the middle and should. Also we should be taking the ball to byline more often and cutting it back.
Bring on the 4-4-2, the team that finished last night should be similar to the one that starts in Chch.
Also we need a chant new chant for sydney relating to their epic, evil handling of balls.
P.S anyone know where to get match stats for the game? I want to see the shots/on target and final possession and terriotory stats.
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I thought we actually dominated,id love to see territory stats!
And this is the problem with NZ football, trying to play like rugby. I was always under the impression that football was more of a possession game than a territory game. Obviously they both play a part but having the ball is far more important. But I bet you love having Troy in the team, with his aimless lumps up the field to their centre backs.
The first goal, while Troy missed his header and blocked Pastons view of the ball leaving him no chance. Why did Pasty not come catch the ball, or punch as he likes to do? It was a lobbed cross, and the header was made from the six yard box.
Other than that I thought first half our midfield looked very good, they were actually passing it between themselves and keeping the ball. Marco looked lively when he came on, but should have at least tested the keeper late on.
Mate did you even watch the game.
If you had then you would know that i wasn't making it out like a bloody rugby game. To take my comment completely out of context then attatch it to all of NZ (while im flattered that i represent an entire people) is stupid.
If you had watched,you would know that i meant we were on attack most of the game,in sydneys half with about 4 times as many balls into the box than sydney had. We dominated.
Seriously,get a grip.
Allegedly
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Goals win matches, strikers score goals, oops we dont really play with any. Started with midfielders and defenders..and a goalie.
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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I don't agree the refereeing was poor.
I thought Parsons had a good game.
He did not have a good game. Forgetting the handball, and that's a big one, there was one moment when Lia got fouled and nothing was called so Lia, in a rage, fouled a Sydney player and should have been carded but wasn't as the ref knew he was wrong not to previously ping the Sydney player. Then at least twice Muscat knocked players down off the ball or as they ran past - could, potentially even should have been dismissed. He missed so much. He also didn't send Paston off for being a knob and scooping the ball back into play when he could have picked it up following an attack early in the first half. Mediocre at best is my view of his officiating.
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........ He also didn't send Paston off for being a knob and scooping the ball back into play when he could have picked it up following an attack early in the first half......
Didn't see the game last night. Not sure I follow this.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I don't agree the refereeing was poor.
I thought Parsons had a good game.
He did not have a good game. Forgetting the handball, and that's a big one, there was one moment when Lia got fouled and nothing was called so Lia, in a rage, fouled a Sydney player and should have been carded but wasn't as the ref knew he was wrong not to previously ping the Sydney player. Then at least twice Muscat knocked players down off the ball or as they ran past - could, potentially even should have been dismissed. He missed so much. He also didn't send Paston off for being a knob and scooping the ball back into play when he could have picked it up following an attack early in the first half. Mediocre at best is my view of his officiating.
We had two cards. Siggy for being sarcastic and Bridge. The Lia one he didn't follow through. The players that Muscat knocked down, well Brown got himself knocked down too.
I've seen referees get too stupid this year with cards and I think he kinda had that side of things right. The level might have been high but he was consistent both ways. Isn't that the biggest bugbear, a consistent referee? The only one I thought he missed was the shirt pull on Ifill in the first half where he cut back inside to split the two defenders.
The handball, well he was never going to see it looking through Siggy's body so while it is inexcusable, its much like the Henry one where the referee can't see through a wall of players lined up. Its just happens sometimes and once again, its happened to us.
Ricki has asked the question of the referee in the aftermatch but he wont get an answer.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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