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Nix v Sydney

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
he'll come off the bench if he does play..

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd be surprised.
E + R + O

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
scribbler wrote:
Isn't this the week we play our new, Chinese, import?


I think Herbert was quoted suggesting our next home game might be his first match
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mhm, yeah, what about McKain ?
Huh? He's still there, as you selected.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Maybe the same starting side with Lia getting another run off the bench

Might be hard to drop Ferrante the way they dominated midfield for much of the Roar game

+ hopefully Diego shows a bit more form after a game under the belt

Paston
Muscat      Sigmund   Durante     Lockhead
Ferrante  McKain
Diego
Ifill                                   Bertos
Greenache

Diego and Ifill getting freedom to roam and Ifill pushing into Striker on Leo's runs

Crowther
Lia
Daniel
Hearfield

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Paston

Lia Sigmund Durrante Lochead
 
Bertos Mckain Deigo Daniel
 
Greenacre Ifil
 
Subs
Hearfeild
Ferrante
Mulligan
Crowther
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
mjp2 wrote:

Paston
Muscat      Sigmund   Durante     Lockhead
Ferrante  McKain
Diego
Ifill                                   Bertos
Greenache

Diego and Ifill getting freedom to roam and Ifill pushing into Striker on Leo's runs

Crowther
Lia
Daniel
Hearfield


+1

I do think that the competition for midfield places is hotting up. The defence and attack seem settled, but with Brown back and Lia and Daniel showing some nice touches with limited time there is a lot of competition for that midfield 3. I could easily see Brown in for Ferrante or Brown in for Diego and Ferrante pushed forward (away game against Sydney could see this happen) or Lia in for Ferrante or Daniel in for Diego.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
mjp2 wrote:
Maybe the same starting side with Lia getting another run off the bench

Might be hard to drop Ferrante the way they dominated midfield for much of the Roar game

+ hopefully Diego shows a bit more form after a game under the belt

Paston
Muscat      Sigmund   Durante     Lockhead
Ferrante  McKain
Diego
Ifill                                   Bertos
Greenache

Diego and Ifill getting freedom to roam and Ifill pushing into Striker on Leo's runs

Crowther
Lia
Daniel
Hearfield



The most obvious team I've seen and the one I picked earlier to play as well.
I would like to see Lia in for Muscat, but don't think it will happen
This team is odds on to start
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I hope we play a little more aggressively than we started against the Roar - the problem with starting with a defensive mindset is you, in turn, take some pressure off the opposition to hold players from going forward and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy - play defensive and you end up spending most of your time defending and, bugger me, they score. Then you are playing  catch-up.

 

I hope we play a more orthodox 4 4 2 with Ifill playing forward off Greenacre.

 

We should trust our back 4 and DMs to do their jobs without needing to play AMs deep or playing only one out and out striker.

 

Best form of defense is...........

He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That 442 at the end v Roar worked a treat tho, so Hearfield/Daniel might get an early run
'cept for Ricki's special sub timing

agree with you Whitby, just not sure it'll happen
but Sydney haven't looked that crash hot this year so you never know
mjp22009-08-25 16:07:38
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bullion wrote:

I do think that the competition for midfield places is hotting up. The defence and attack seem settled, but with Brown back and Lia and Daniel showing some nice touches with limited time there is a lot of competition for that midfield 3. I could easily see Brown in for Ferrante or Brown in for Diego and Ferrante pushed forward (away game against Sydney could see this happen) or Lia in for Ferrante or Daniel in for Diego.


No to Brown.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
we have simply got to play 442 this week, if you dont believe me then just watch the first half compared to the second half of the game vs roar. when ifill was playin as an extra winger it meant the midfield was clogged the whole time and there was always only one guy to aim at!
 
and i hope and pray that lia gets a start over ferrante... other than that i predict no changes
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Man_utd_fan wrote:
we have simply got to play 442 this week, if you dont believe me then just watch the first half compared to the second half of the game vs roar. when ifill was playin as an extra winger it meant the midfield was clogged the whole time and there was always only one guy to aim at!
 
and i hope and pray that lia gets a start over ferrante... other than that i predict no changes


tend to agree - despite the starting line-up i picked

if you start 442, who do you start with for the two CMs? Diego+McKain?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

4 - 4 - 2 is the best, I reckon Ricki wont change much about the side..

Paston

Lia Sigmund Durrante Lochead
 
Bertos Mckain Deigo Daniel/Ferante
 
Greenacre Ifil

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I hope we go for the 433 we used against Perth, it balances the starting side best IMO, Bertos and Ifill are best as advanced wingers/second strikers and Diego isn't put out wide.

You know we belong together...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oska wrote:

I hope we go for the 433 we used against Perth, it balances the starting side best IMO, Bertos and Ifill are best as advanced wingers/second strikers and Diego isn't put out wide.


I agree, going with a 442 - where do you put Diego? Keep the 3 central midfielders for now as it is working
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

On recent performances muscat shouldnt be starting however i wouldnt want to be changing our already "settled" back four. They have been working together(improving) for a while now so taking him out could waste all of that, and hopefully he just wakes up. Lias been making a huge difference when he comes on so i feel he should be starting. Definatly over the likes of fertante, who should be dropped to at least the bench. 

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ifill definitely works best up front with Greenacre, we don't want him dropping back or out wide unless he really has to.

I agree that Diego needs room to move, and that doesn't work if we're squeezing everyone into the midfield.

4-3-3 from the Perth game for me also.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bullion wrote:
Oska wrote:

I hope we go for the 433 we used against Perth, it balances the starting side best IMO, Bertos and Ifill are best as advanced wingers/second strikers and Diego isn't put out wide.


I agree, going with a 442 - where do you put Diego? Keep the 3 central midfielders for now as it is working

Diego must be central and forward, and then realistically we are talking about starting 4231 or 4132, if anything, given at least one of the CMs is going to play deep.  What I reckon Ricki is doing with Diego and Ifill is letting them make the call on the pitch how far forward and central they play, particularly Ifill.  He drops deep into 4231/442 when he needs to and pushes up and central (with a CM or wide back coming forward on his side, or just when Leo goes on a blinder from the other side) when he can.  And Diego swings wider to create space if there is a CM pushing up centrally and Ifill pushing into striker.

And that's what led to the YF comments about Ifill "having to play too deep".  I think that's also why we saw the wide backs playing further forward last week - as that lets Ifill push further into the middle.

Makes for a pretty fluid attacking force. 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
mjp2 wrote:
Man_utd_fan wrote:
we have simply got to play 442 this week, if you dont believe me then just watch the first half compared to the second half of the game vs roar. when ifill was playin as an extra winger it meant the midfield was clogged the whole time and there was always only one guy to aim at!
 
and i hope and pray that lia gets a start over ferrante... other than that i predict no changes


tend to agree - despite the starting line-up i picked

if you start 442, who do you start with for the two CMs? Diego+McKain?
 
 
McKain and LIA
 
yes i know im getting a bit obsessed about Lia but he definatly deserves a go 
Man_utd_fan2009-08-25 18:37:39
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Bullion wrote:

I do think that the competition for midfield places is hotting up. The defence and attack seem settled, but with Brown back and Lia and Daniel showing some nice touches with limited time there is a lot of competition for that midfield 3. I could easily see Brown in for Ferrante or Brown in for Diego and Ferrante pushed forward (away game against Sydney could see this happen) or Lia in for Ferrante or Daniel in for Diego.


No to Brown.
 
Why will folk forgive Manny one bad game but not Tim Brown? He and McKain in the midfield turned our fortunes around last season, along with Siggie at the back...
 
I don't know if he has done enough to start. Certainly Lia must be chomping at the bit...But I think he has to be in the mix. We didn't drop the back 4 after the first game, and they have performed much better.


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i pray for this line up
 
                                                       Paston
             Muscat                  Siggy                      Dura               Lochhead
 
             Diego                   LIA                        McKain             Bertos
 
                                       Ifill                            Greenacre
 
 
SUBS
Crowther
Brown
Daniel
Hearfield
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Few quick thoughts

No room for Brown even on bench, at best he is cover if McKain gets crocked.

Diego cannot play wide midfield.

4-3-3 against Sydney would be brave or foolhardy as their wide right player Danning would have a field day.

4-4-2 for me with Ferrante/Diego/Lia to choose from for centre midfield spot and Hearfield/Daniel battling for the outside midfield slot.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
deigo played great on the wing against perth
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Man_utd_fan wrote:
i pray for this line up
 
                                                       Paston
             Muscat                  Siggy                      Dura               Lochhead
 
             Diego                   LIA                        McKain             Bertos
 
                                       Ifill                            Greenacre
 
 
SUBS
Crowther
Brown
Daniel
Hearfield
 
That would be my starting line-up but I think Ferrante will be on the bench instead of Brown if for no other reason than Brown has probably lost some match fitness over the last couple of weeks.
 
As an aside I thought I heard a commentator say, during the Roar game, that we would loose Manny, to international duty, for the Adelaide game. Anyone else hear that or know if that's right ?
 
If it is who plays right back while he's away - I'm guessing Lia as I wouldn't want to loose Sigmund (i.e Sigmund playing RB) from the CB pairing nor would I want McKain to have to drop in to CB to cover for Sigmund.
 
 
Whitby boy2009-08-25 19:08:07
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't think Ricky will change too much. After the Perth win he seemed intent on keeping the same 11 players. Following on from his comments that he thought we should have won the last game - he may take the same philosophy. Personally, I don't mind giving Lia a start. If he doesn't this weekend, don't worry guys, I'm sure he will soon enough!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
where's costa? at least have him on the bench!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
haven't seen much in the sydney CCM replay, so far, to worry me

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Awful game... that and Furries vs Tards has been called the worst A-League double header in history.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yeh, bit of a laugh these two are at 2nd and 3rd above us

sydney only there with narrow wins over Fury and Adelaide, neither playing great at the moment

you'd have to be interested in a Phoenix away win this weekend ...
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm actually picking the nix to win.
But it does depend on what Sydney turns up to party. Danning could be a nightmare to our defence as he is quick and agile.

Think Lia could be the best choice in the midfield for Ferrante but I've got a feeling that if Brown is back, he will play. Even though I would rather see Lia in.
Also, maybe Lia off the bench for Muscat?


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Adelaide to beat Fury 2 - 1
Perth to go down to Victory 1 - 2
Roar to subcombe to CCM 0 - 1
Jets to capitulate to Smeltz 1 - 2
Sydney to repeat last years run and loose to Nix 1 - 2 with goals from Ifill and Lia / Daniel


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
playwithFire wrote:
I'm actually picking the nix to win.
But it does depend on what Sydney turns up to party. Danning could be a nightmare to our defence as he is quick and agile.

Think Lia could be the best choice in the midfield for Ferrante but I've got a feeling that if Brown is back, he will play. Even though I would rather see Lia in.
Also, maybe Lia off the bench for Muscat?
 
Danning caned Jamieson, who is the best left back in the league imo, so Lochhead will need to be fully focused. Brosque has started the season in good form too, and will also punish us if we switch off for a millisecond.
 
Sydney will be hard to beat. Even though I haven't been particularly impressed with them in their 3 games so far they're still ahead of us in terms of combinations and their style of play, so I'd be more than happy with an away point from an unbeaten team.
 
If Muscat breaks a leg then maybe we'll see Lia at right back.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Brosque is another player that we need to treat the right way. 

He's going to:

A, Fall to the ground everytime he is within 3 feet of a Phoenix player
B, Foul the Phoenix midfield to delay breaks.

We need to make sure that if he's going to ground he ends up lumped for his trouble.  If we're going to get a foul against us let's at least earn it, and by the same token as he fouls us make sure he ends up with some damage from the collision.

A-League refs let him get away with it so let's make sure he regrets it.

Oh, and the style of play ?  No different to under Kosmina, that game at the weekend was awful.  That 2nd half we played on Sunday was infinitely better than anything Sydney have played so far this season.

The big question is, can we repeat it.
Hard News2009-08-25 23:13:37

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
But props to him for not wearing an alice band, eh.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Diego and Ifill getting fitter, combos developing, our two CDs starting to recognise each other, Ricki seeing how to get the best out of what he has

damn right we can repeat it

P.S hopefully Danning isn't as good as you say he is - or we're screwed Can't say he stood out that much for me v CCM, but I was so bored with that game I was only half watching
mjp22009-08-25 23:24:00
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've forgotten what it feels like to score first.  WHen was the last time the Nix did that in a league fixture?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Against Roar right at the end of last season when we lost 3-2? I'm sure we scored first that day.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yeah that sounds familiar.
Brosque does like his fouls. Would like Sigmund to give him a hard time over the weekend.


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