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Nix vs Adelaide

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I reckon Bertos should be dropped after saturday. He did very little creatively, lost the ball trying to take people on with his goose step step overs and his delivery was dissapointingly floaty again.

imo we should play 442 with daniel and caceres on the wings, as they're the only players making anything even resembling decent crosses, and when ifill drops off as he likes to do he will have costa in front of him who is pacy and can get on the through passes.

While having costa up front will make it hard to get posession from our endless long balls out from the back, I was impressed with costas tenacity and he won the ball fairly high up the park on several occasions
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
GenericFan wrote:
I reckon Bertos should be dropped after saturday. He did very little creatively, lost the ball trying to take people on with his goose step step overs and his delivery was dissapointingly floaty again.

imo we should play 442 with daniel and caceres on the wings, as they're the only players making anything even resembling decent crosses, and when ifill drops off as he likes to do he will have costa in front of him who is pacy and can get on the through passes.

While having costa up front will make it hard to get posession from our endless long balls out from the back, I was impressed with costas tenacity and he won the ball fairly high up the park on several occasions
 
Agreed
 
Bertos has been disappointing for some weeks, apart from the odd quality cross that he manages to get in, and in reality, they are few and far between. For a player who is touted as much as he has, he rarely seems to take a game by storm, say in the way That pratt Tommy Oar did against us.
 
At times Leo does some good things, but imo he is too inconsistant and just at the moment looks tired and disinterested, probably even more so than when he was dropped earlier in the season. It would appear though that our cupboard is a little bare in termsof potential repalacements though.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

with the current greenacre situation it just proves how bare our cupboard is when it comes to strikers and whilst I am happy to see costa getting gametime he isnt an out and out striker and I fear that the bigger defenders will just turf him off the ball

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mate, it's not just the cupboard that's bare of strikers.  There's nothing on the table, in the fridge, or even down the back of the couch.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
                              Crowther
Hearfield      McKain          Durante       Lochy
                                 Lia
                       Brown       Diego
Bertos                                                  Caceras/Daniel
                                Ifill
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bullion wrote:
                              Crowther
Hearfield      McKain          Durante       Lochy
                                 Lia
                       Brown       Diego
Bertos                                                  Caceras/Daniel
                                Ifill



agreed, but definately Daniel and not Caceras.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm worried. After more than 5 years I've been here, my old man finally decided to show up. he'll be here tomorrow and will want to hang out on friday. I already planned a nice evening with pizza and watching the Nix. I hope I won't have to get him too drunk. hopefully despite all our troubles the lads will pull through and I won't make a total arse of myself!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
give hearfield another run up front when mannys back maybe?

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bringbacksmeltz wrote:
give hearfield another run up front when mannys back maybe?
 
I quite like this idea.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bringbacksmeltz wrote:
give hearfield another run up front when mannys back maybe?
 
we don't have anybody really to hold the ball up or who we'ed expect to win much in the air up front...so a fast 3 up front with a more counter attacking, running at and drawing players(maybe Ifill Hearfield Costa/Leo) could be a better option at the mo'...


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
IMO Ifill has been quiet since they moved to a more central striking role. He looks frustrated by the service he is getting. When he was back playing a more wide role he was all action....lots of assists and lots of goals. He  also got to the bye line quite often. He's wasted alone up front.
 
My suggestion is that as he is our best player he should be playing where he is most effective. So I would move Bertos to the bench and play Ifill where he wants to...i.e wider. I would then play Costa and Caceras up front and forget about lofted crosses to them coz they are too short.
 
Play the ball along the ground to the front two or over the top so they can run onto it. Get ifill beating players wide and getting to the bye line and wipping the ball into Costa and Caceras.
 
ferk this team is overloaded with wingers...next week expect Hearfield,Daniel, Costa, Caceras, Bertos and Ifill to get a run....thats 6. The only true strikers in the team are Greenacre and Chen.
Maybe thats why we always revert to a wide game!!!!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Here goes, bit out there but don't think Bertos and Daniel have offered great value last few games. Centre midfield has been devoid of anyone who can find feet of forward players. Flanks have been more crowded than the London underground with Bertos, Daniel, Caceres, Ifill and the fullbacks overlapping. Change to 4-3-3 with Hearfield and Lochead giving the width, Ifill and Caceres finding space.

           Crowther
Hearfield McKain Durrante Lochead
           Brown Lia
             Diego
       Ifill Costa Caceres
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hearfields played all his junior career as a striker would be a better striker than full back and a better striker than other options you have at the moment. e.g. strong on the ball can hold the ball up can strike the ball left and right foot and has great mobility and can finish given the chance p.s. team plays better with two up front not one
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah Ifill upfront has been so underwhelming. He is getting no quality ball and isnt in space when he has it
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
count10 wrote:
hearfields played all his junior career as a striker would be a better striker than full back and a better striker than other options you have at the moment. e.g. strong on the ball can hold the ball up can strike the ball left and right foot and has great mobility and can finish given the chance p.s. team plays better with two up front not one


Thank you Troy.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
its a shame he's not a goalie as well

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
zinidane wrote:
IMO Ifill has been quiet since they moved to a more central striking role. He looks frustrated by the service he is getting. When he was back playing a more wide role he was all action....lots of assists and lots of goals. He  also got to the bye line quite often. He's wasted alone up front.
 
My suggestion is that as he is our best player he should be playing where he is most effective. So I would move Bertos to the bench and play Ifill where he wants to...i.e wider. I would then play Costa and Caceras up front and forget about lofted crosses to them coz they are too short.
 
Play the ball along the ground to the front two or over the top so they can run onto it. Get ifill beating players wide and getting to the bye line and wipping the ball into Costa and Caceras.
 
ferk this team is overloaded with wingers...next week expect Hearfield,Daniel, Costa, Caceras, Bertos and Ifill to get a run....thats 6. The only true strikers in the team are Greenacre and Chen.
Maybe thats why we always revert to a wide game!!!!


yes.  best option i think too.

 Unless you push Chen into the lineup? No i don't like Chen. Lets not do that, but maybe we should be putting him on the bench to atleast have a propper striker somewhere?


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

we do have some issues with the line up now that 4 of our top guys are out.....I agree the Ifill plays better as a winger, we all kinda knew this would be the case when he came here though - he/we have been lucky that he ahs been able to float between the two roles, but that was really only because he had Greenie doing a lot of the running and ground work to give him space. With just Ifill up front we are screwed, much like last year when smeltz was our only target guy. I'm not sold on Chen, but he is a striker - supposedly, so surely he'd be worth giving a run along with costa up front, allow Ifill to play out wide and create the chances that Leo hasn't been doing for a while and see how that works.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
count10 wrote:
hearfields played all his junior career as a striker would be a better striker than full back and a better striker than other options you have at the moment. e.g. strong on the ball can hold the ball up can strike the ball left and right foot and has great mobility and can finish given the chance p.s. team plays better with two up front not one


Thank you Troy.


I was thinking maybe Mayze reincarnated.  One thing you can't accuse Hearfield of is being strong on the ball.  Can be pushed off by breathing on him.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oughton is in town for Christmas, what are our options for loans from the states? Would free up Hearfield to be a striker.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
aitkenmike wrote:
I was thinking maybe Mayze reincarnated.  One thing you can't accuse Hearfield of is being strong on the ball.  Can be pushed off by breathing on him.


My initial thoughts, and still a suspiscion but nothing to link the two.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I know you all hate Chen but he should be given a chance, he has only played 33 minutes for the Nix all season, how do you expect him to form combinations etc with the team in that time?  Plus we have no strikers at the moment so what better time for him to impress?

Just no Ferrante or Mulligan
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't hate Chen, he makes me laugh, it's just that he's looked absolute sh*te in the short amount of time he's been on the park. Given our striking problems, if Ricki doesn't play him this week then that will tell me all I need to know about Mr Chen.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
homer_simpson wrote:
I know you all hate Chen but he should be given a chance, he has only played 33 minutes for the Nix all season, how do you expect him to form combinations etc with the team in that time?  Plus we have no strikers at the moment so what better time for him to impress?

Just no Ferrante or Mulligan
chen is worse than mulligan and shows little interest in forming combinations. remember him sulking over that goal and getting a rark up from siggie for not joining in the team celebrations?
my team to mix things up
     crowther
lia mckain durante god
bertos brown diego daniel
 hearfield ifill
 bench
costa
caceres
gould
ricky
expect some stick for this but formation hasnt worked last few weeks IMO
bring on costa for ifill second half if hes not going well up front and drop ifill back to replace either daniel or leo for second half.
bringbacksmeltz2009-12-15 10:42:30

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bringbacksmeltz wrote:
homer_simpson wrote:
I know you all hate Chen but he should be given a chance, he has only played 33 minutes for the Nix all season, how do you expect him to form combinations etc with the team in that time?  Plus we have no strikers at the moment so what better time for him to impress?

Just no Ferrante or Mulligan
chen is worse than mulligan and shows little interest in forming combinations. remember him sulking over that goal and getting a rark up from siggie for not joining in the team celebrations?
my team to mix things up
     crowther
lia mckain durante god
bertos brown diego daniel
 hearfield ifill
 bench
costa
caceres
gould
ricky
expect some stick for this but formation hasnt worked last few weeks IMO
bring on costa for ifill second half if hes not going well up front and drop ifill back to replace either daniel or leo for second half.
 
Perhaps Hearfield in place of Bertos who drops to the bench with Costa up front with Ifill
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
that could also work but ifill seems at his best roving the wings. could always put him,troy and costa up front and play 4-3-3

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

My bad, deleted to save face
homer_simpson2009-12-15 12:34:33
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
your entitled to your opinion. that was just mine.

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
No, nothing like that, my maths was shocking, so had to delete it to hide that fact
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
fair enough. in reality, knowing rickis normal pattern. it will be the same side, in the same formation this week.

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
 Na i'd hope for Costa or chen to be starting up front and drop out one of Caceres/ Daniel /bertos. At first I was thinking Caceres but now I'm not too sure. Maybe Daniel? I don't know. Bench Caceres/ Daniel/ Bertos, Diego and Rojas


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
once again i cant see rojas getting a run. it'l be ferrante on the bench i reckon

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Chen wasn't at training today, and Lochhead sat out for most of it.
You know we belong together...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
                     Reddy
             McKain    Durante
Hearfield                         Lochhead
                    Brown
Bertos                             Daniel
                   Caceres
                             Ifill
           Costa        

Bench:
Crowther
Mulligan (need defensive option)
Chen (need attacking option)
Diego/Ferrante - Would probably lean towards Ferrante.  He is a stronger player.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To be honest, on the bench, if you need defensive cover, then Lia > Mulligan by a looooong way. Though I'd have Lia in the starting team anyway.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Forgot about Lia.  That changes things.

Back to the drawing board.

Damnit, I was liking the look of that line-up and can't think of a way I fully agree with to bring Lia into the starting line-up.  But he does need to be there.

EDIT:
                   Reddy
             McKain    Durante
Hearfield                         Lochhead
                Lia         
                        Brown
Bertos                           
                                      Ifill
       Caceres               
                           Costa        

Bench:
Crowther
Daniel
Chen (need attacking option)
Diego/Ferrante - Would probably lean towards Ferrante.  He is a stronger player.

How likely are we to have Liam Reddy by Friday.  Anyone know?  Apparently he scored a goal for Parramatta Power so a possible striking option?  I mean Chen can play up front but he's never scored for Parramatta.
loyalgunner2009-12-15 14:46:03
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
is Liam Reddy coming definitly, if he is, will he be able to play this week, i hope so
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