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Nix vs. Jest, 27th Feb 7pm SS3 - Bring Back Ricki

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about 13 years ago

Jag wrote:

Ifill put a couple of decent balls into the box last night. One in particular across the 6 yard box that Brockie didn't get on the end of.

From what my memory can drag up, he was also only robbed of scoring a screamer on Sunday by some great goalkeeping.


Also if you watched the Roar game, although it again was not a good game from Ifill. He was involved in everything positive we did in the first half.
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about 13 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Jag wrote:

Ifill put a couple of decent balls into the box last night. One in particular across the 6 yard box that Brockie didn't get on the end of.

From what my memory can drag up, he was also only robbed of scoring a screamer on Sunday by some great goalkeeping.


Also if you watched the Roar game, although it again was not a good game from Ifill. He was involved in everything positive we did in the first half.

Even a half fit, out of form, Paul Ifill has more class and is more dangerous than everyone else we've got

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 13 years ago

Jag wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Jag wrote:

Ifill put a couple of decent balls into the box last night. One in particular across the 6 yard box that Brockie didn't get on the end of.

From what my memory can drag up, he was also only robbed of scoring a screamer on Sunday by some great goalkeeping.


Also if you watched the Roar game, although it again was not a good game from Ifill. He was involved in everything positive we did in the first half.

Even a half fit, out of form, Paul Ifill has more class and is more dangerous than everyone else we've got


pfffft half fit?. I would say 10% fit , in a  Wheelchair with out the benefit of the sight in one eye he still has more class and is more dangerous than everyone else we've got
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about 13 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Jag wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Jag wrote:

Ifill put a couple of decent balls into the box last night. One in particular across the 6 yard box that Brockie didn't get on the end of.

From what my memory can drag up, he was also only robbed of scoring a screamer on Sunday by some great goalkeeping.


Also if you watched the Roar game, although it again was not a good game from Ifill. He was involved in everything positive we did in the first half.

Even a half fit, out of form, Paul Ifill has more class and is more dangerous than everyone else we've got


pfffft half fit?. I would say 10% fit , in a  Wheelchair with out the benefit of the sight in one eye he still has more class and is more dangerous than everyone else we've got
I thought it was the wrong substitution Boyd for Fenton, should have been Boyd for Ifill. Fenton, imho, was having a more positive contribution to the Phoenix performance than Ifill was. Just that in the coaches mind is that Ifill may be able to work some magic, it's tough one - base you substitutions (or team selection) on the performance in front of you or take into account previous form. 
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about 13 years ago

Bullion wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Jag wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Jag wrote:

Ifill put a couple of decent balls into the box last night. One in particular across the 6 yard box that Brockie didn't get on the end of.

From what my memory can drag up, he was also only robbed of scoring a screamer on Sunday by some great goalkeeping.


Also if you watched the Roar game, although it again was not a good game from Ifill. He was involved in everything positive we did in the first half.

Even a half fit, out of form, Paul Ifill has more class and is more dangerous than everyone else we've got


pfffft half fit?. I would say 10% fit , in a  Wheelchair with out the benefit of the sight in one eye he still has more class and is more dangerous than everyone else we've got
I thought it was the wrong substitution Boyd for Fenton, should have been Boyd for Ifill. Fenton, imho, was having a more positive contribution to the Phoenix performance than Ifill was. Just that in the coaches mind is that Ifill may be able to work some magic, it's tough one - base you substitutions (or team selection) on the performance in front of you or take into account previous form. 

I get where your coming from, but who is the most likely person in the nix to do something special to win a game? Ifill or Fenton?
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about 13 years ago

bringing on boyd has done nothing all season


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about 13 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Bullion wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Jag wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Jag wrote:

Ifill put a couple of decent balls into the box last night. One in particular across the 6 yard box that Brockie didn't get on the end of.

From what my memory can drag up, he was also only robbed of scoring a screamer on Sunday by some great goalkeeping.


Also if you watched the Roar game, although it again was not a good game from Ifill. He was involved in everything positive we did in the first half.

Even a half fit, out of form, Paul Ifill has more class and is more dangerous than everyone else we've got


pfffft half fit?. I would say 10% fit , in a  Wheelchair with out the benefit of the sight in one eye he still has more class and is more dangerous than everyone else we've got
I thought it was the wrong substitution Boyd for Fenton, should have been Boyd for Ifill. Fenton, imho, was having a more positive contribution to the Phoenix performance than Ifill was. Just that in the coaches mind is that Ifill may be able to work some magic, it's tough one - base you substitutions (or team selection) on the performance in front of you or take into account previous form. 

I get where your coming from, but who is the most likely person in the nix to do something special to win a game? Ifill or Fenton?
Exactly, taking into account previous form (not much from this season unfortunately) it is Ifill - but watching last night I would have taken Ifill off for Boyd.
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about 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

bringing on boyd has done nothing all season

boyd has injected energy into a lot of games this season.

Rewatch the game against adelaide where he missed the penalty and tell me he added nothing to that game


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about 13 years ago

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I thought it was the wrong substitution Boyd for Fenton, should have been Boyd for Ifill. Fenton, imho, was having a more positive contribution to the Phoenix performance than Ifill was. Just that in the coaches mind is that Ifill may be able to work some magic, it's tough one - base you substitutions (or team selection) on the performance in front of you or take into account previous form. 
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Woah - back up. Wrong part of the sub you're changing there. What did Boyd do in the last two games to warrant even a place on the bench.
I would rather Cam Lindsay to had come on. Actually probably would rather have had Pav.
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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

You could argue that Waffles has done the same from the bench? Injected a bit of energy. Completely take the point on bringing on Boyd, but Ifill is the only person I can think of that we've got who is capable of one piece of magic to win us a game (or grab us a point). That is probably a sad indictment on the rest of the squad at the moment. As has been said, it's a tough call for a Coach to make.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 13 years ago

I'm not saying Boyd is pointless, but we saw last week that he can't handle the pressure of a come from behind win/draw.
Did he do anything last week except give the ball away? This week I think he got two ok crosses in...

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Brockie. (Also capable of a piece of magic).

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about 13 years ago

Jag wrote:

You could argue that Waffles has done the same from the bench? Injected a bit of energy. Completely take the point on bringing on Boyd, but Ifill is the only person I can think of that we've got who is capable of one piece of magic to win us a game (or grab us a point). That is probably a sad indictment on the rest of the squad at the moment. As has been said, it's a tough call for a Coach to make.

and Totori for that matter

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about 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

bringing on boyd has done nothing all season

boyd has injected energy into a lot of games this season.

Rewatch the game against adelaide where he missed the penalty and tell me he added nothing to that game
Also in Boyd's defence, he didn't miss that penalty, it was a cracker of a save.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

bringing on boyd has done nothing all season

 

I thought Boyd was totally the wrong substitution last night, and even then he underdelivered against my expectations

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Groff wrote:

Brockie. (Also capable of a piece of magic).

I take your point but he's more of a "I'll have a pop from the edge of the box" type player. He's not gonna get the ball wide 40 yards out, beat a couple of players and make something happen. Brockie scores great goals, but he isn't (in my opinion) capable of creating in the way that Ifill is. If that makes sense. 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 13 years ago

CloneMM wrote:

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I thought it was the wrong substitution Boyd for Fenton, should have been Boyd for Ifill. Fenton, imho, was having a more positive contribution to the Phoenix performance than Ifill was. Just that in the coaches mind is that Ifill may be able to work some magic, it's tough one - base you substitutions (or team selection) on the performance in front of you or take into account previous form. 
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Woah - back up. Wrong part of the sub you're changing there. What did Boyd do in the last two games to warrant even a place on the bench.
I would rather Cam Lindsay to had come on. Actually probably would rather have had Pav.
By the same logic, what has Cam Lindsay done to warrant even a place on the bench. He wasn't exactly working magic when he played either, same for the reserve games. 

Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

CloneMM wrote:

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I thought it was the wrong substitution Boyd for Fenton, should have been Boyd for Ifill. Fenton, imho, was having a more positive contribution to the Phoenix performance than Ifill was. Just that in the coaches mind is that Ifill may be able to work some magic, it's tough one - base you substitutions (or team selection) on the performance in front of you or take into account previous form. 
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Woah - back up. Wrong part of the sub you're changing there. What did Boyd do in the last two games to warrant even a place on the bench.
I would rather Cam Lindsay to had come on. Actually probably would rather have had Pav.
By the same logic, what has Cam Lindsay done to warrant even a place on the bench. He wasn't exactly working magic when he played either, same for the reserve games. 

Logic is over rated
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about 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Hard News wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:
My view is that while he has his faults, he is still the best option in New Zealand. He went through a rough patch earlier in the year but has come back to being pretty dependable defensively. I would certainlty say he has another year left in him, probably at reduced rate to what he is presently earning, but he is a long way from being the biggest problem out squad presently has



 

shit that is good from you.


That needs to go straight to the pool room.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

bringing on boyd has done nothing all season

boyd has injected energy into a lot of games this season.

Rewatch the game against adelaide where he missed the penalty and tell me he added nothing to that game


Rewatch a nix game? No thanks. 


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Jag wrote:

Groff wrote:

Brockie. (Also capable of a piece of magic).

I take your point but he's more of a "I'll have a pop from the edge of the box" type player. He's not gonna get the ball wide 40 yards out, beat a couple of players and make something happen. Brockie scores great goals, but he isn't (in my opinion) capable of creating in the way that Ifill is. If that makes sense. 


Your point taken too and also IMO correct, won't create a well built goal but yeah, can still pop one in out of nothing. And thank f**k too, as without those we just haven't looked likely all year really (with a few exceptions of course).
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about 13 years ago

Ricki/Greenie or whoever, will not achieve anything as long as we have the same players. I'm not sure what ' our players are not up to standard ' people don't understand, but it has been obvious for a long time.

I'm sure someone will have these stats, but I think we have more players still playing for us when we started(2007) than any other team.

That tells me that we have not recruited any better players and were happy to go through the motions.

I am bitterly disappointed with the last few months but I am not at all surprised.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago

Heart and Wanderers have more players still around from their first squad than we do, purely because they are younger. All other clubs have fewer, because they are older. I don't think it's a fair comparison Leggy.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

Hopefully Greenie tries something this week

                          Moss

Lindsay        Sigmund   Durante      Lochhead

                           Muscat   

Bertos          Biss        Gamiero          Ifill

                          Brockie

Subs; Paston, Sanchez, Fenton, Huysegems  

        


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Don't think Boyd was good last night when he came on but to be fair the rest of the team wasn't either.

I honestly think he has potential - he's just a kid; 18. Fenton has a few years on him which is why he looks more ready to be a starter. Even Rojas looks crap in a team that's not playing well around him (see: the last month of Melbourne games) 



a.haak

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about 13 years ago

Time to pull pin and put a pin in Dunedin. Leave dissection till after last game.

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tripvincent wrote:

Hopefully Greenie tries something this week

                          Moss

Lindsay        Sigmund   Durante      Lochhead

                           Muscat   

Bertos          Biss        Gamiero          Ifill

                          Brockie

Subs; Paston, Sanchez, Fenton, Huysegems  

        

Biss is ineligible to play due to international transfer rules and the A-League squad registration window being shut.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

Alright I'm kidding about biss but 


                               Moss

Downey           Sigmund    Durante             Lochhead

                               Muscat

Bertos              Sanchez        Gamiero           Ifill

                               Brockie


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about 13 years ago

Surely Downey should get a run in the side before he's cut. 


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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

 "Schooled under Ricki Herbert, he needs to show some nads and do what has to be done, not what Ricki would do."

Attention JD: this is the kind of person who thinks that Ricki was the only problem. And they'll keep blaming Ricki for the next five years if they can get away with it. It's hard to give up a good scapegoat.

I knew that sacking Ricki, while possibly good in the long term, would made things worse in the short term, which is one reason I wanted no change until the off-season. How many people out there used to say to me "how could it possibly be worse?" Now you have your answer.

Doloras, really you should read the whole thing instead of cherry picking to suit your agenda.

Did you even comprehend what I wrote because it sure doesn't look like it

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about 13 years ago

auskiwi wrote:
Did you even comprehend what I wrote because it sure doesn't look like it


What I got out of it is that you're still blaming Ricki for shit performances after he's gone. You really need to find a new scapegoat. Start blaming Lochhead, he's the next cab off the rank.

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about 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

Surely Downey should get a run in the side before he's cut. 

 

He must be sh*t if he cant get on the bench amongst this lot

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about 13 years ago

auskiwi wrote:

Doloras wrote:

 "Schooled under Ricki Herbert, he needs to show some nads and do what has to be done, not what Ricki would do."

Attention JD: this is the kind of person who thinks that Ricki was the only problem. And they'll keep blaming Ricki for the next five years if they can get away with it. It's hard to give up a good scapegoat.

I knew that sacking Ricki, while possibly good in the long term, would made things worse in the short term, which is one reason I wanted no change until the off-season. How many people out there used to say to me "how could it possibly be worse?" Now you have your answer.

Doloras, really you should read the whole thing instead of cherry picking to suit your agenda.

Did you even comprehend what I wrote because it sure doesn't look like it

 

Yeah JD - suck on that. People blaming people for things people do. Shameless.

I like tautologies because I like them.
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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

auskiwi wrote:

Did you even comprehend what I wrote because it sure doesn't look like it



What I got out of it is that you're still blaming Ricki for shit performances after he's gone. You really need to find a new scapegoat. Start blaming Lochhead, he's the next cab off the rank.

Wrong, not looking for a scapegoat, please try again.

Check these off as you go about your next fallacy

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

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about 13 years ago

Jesus wept, you guys got your scalp, you got someone sacked, can't you be happy without continuing to blame him for everything that still goes wrong?


Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

Hopefully Greenie tries something this week

                          Moss

Lindsay        Sigmund   Durante      Lochhead

                           Muscat   

Bertos          Biss        Gamiero          Ifill

                          Brockie

Subs; Paston, Sanchez, Fenton, Huysegems  

        

Biss is ineligible to play due to international transfer rules and the A-League squad registration window being shut.

He's also nowhere near A-League standard.

Three for me, and two for them.

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

CloneMM wrote:

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I thought it was the wrong substitution Boyd for Fenton, should have been Boyd for Ifill. Fenton, imho, was having a more positive contribution to the Phoenix performance than Ifill was. Just that in the coaches mind is that Ifill may be able to work some magic, it's tough one - base you substitutions (or team selection) on the performance in front of you or take into account previous form. 
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Woah - back up. Wrong part of the sub you're changing there. What did Boyd do in the last two games to warrant even a place on the bench.
I would rather Cam Lindsay to had come on. Actually probably would rather have had Pav.
By the same logic, what has Cam Lindsay done to warrant even a place on the bench. He wasn't exactly working magic when he played either, same for the reserve games. 

I wasn't suggesting Lindsay, that was how lowly I rated Boyd's last two performances. I can see the confusion.
I do think Lindsay would have kept the ball a bit more, and passed it to someone who might have created something.
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about 13 years ago

Tell me what Greenache could have done in 2 days to improve the team's performance significantly?

I reckon he's used the same line up and gameplan that RH would have used simply because there was no time to install anything else. Probably [I hope] we will see sometyhing more in his style this weekend. If not, then he just isn't head coach material in my book.

Changes I'd hope to see would be Stein coming in and starting in place of someone and probably the same with Boxhall. Swap Lia with Sanchez if the injured guy [name!!!!] isn't back. 

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about 13 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

Hopefully Greenie tries something this week

                          Moss

Lindsay        Sigmund   Durante      Lochhead

                           Muscat   

Bertos          Biss        Gamiero          Ifill

                          Brockie

Subs; Paston, Sanchez, Fenton, Huysegems  

        

Biss is ineligible to play due to international transfer rules and the A-League squad registration window being shut.

He's also nowhere near A-League standard.
I think he proved in his one game that he was.
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