Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

Is one of our undisclosed #metrics sucking sweaty hairy balls so that the crap Aussie teams look better in comparison? 

it's what we currenty bring to the league

What club brought in Sony as major sponsor to the league

What club brought in Carlsberg as major sponsor to the league

What club brought in Hauwai as major sponsor to the league

It speaks to the quality of our back office that we can attract credible sponsorship.  They aren't at the level of Jim's Plumbing I know, but nearly.

I remember reading that Sonys sponsorship was significantly undervalued and wasn't a good deal for the Phoenix, the Huawei sponsorship, however, is supposed to be among the best in the league.

I also prefer the Garage Project sponsorship to Carlsberg :). 

But who cares who the sponsors are as long as they're paying the bills? I'd prefer a Jim's Plumbing to Sony if they paid more. Saying that, it's nice to have propper logos on our shirts rather than some of the crap that Australian teams have.

Im afraid that if our crowds continue to slide, then the sponsors we have will start questioning their involvement.  After all less people will be exposed to their advertising.  I don't know what the solution is but we had better find one. 

Win games and get good press.

Astute post .

The aleague wants a 80 million dollar media.

FFA see this as a minimum and fans want more.

FFA want to take football to the number one code in Australia. The Nix are welcome v

ery welcome if they add to the media deal.

Conventional wisdom is saying new Australian based teams will add revenue.

You have I guess 3 and a bit years left to make it work but endlessly pointing to the good you have done and how hopeless FFA are . I don't think solves anything if anything it hinders folk who may have some ideas from coming forward. Further it could mask what needs to be done.

Just on the bids as I read them contrary to some posts above many have government andcouncil financial support and some if not most have some big time business folk behind them.

The ball is in your hands or at your feet its a local call on how to react. The Bos rant is reflective on how people seem to be reacting.

Before anyone is want as is often the case CCM have offocially stated that the CEO n the number of Socceroos produced has been our insurance policy . So yes less but CCM is also under the hammer.

CCM have silverware, Get 10k crowds and are Australian. We have no silverware - 5k crowds and are foreign yet bring in pissy $200k from SKY TV to the table........... CCM over us all day long.

Sony went on to sponsor MV through a retailer after we introduced them.

Carlsberg wholesaler had a change of direction in Wgtn.

Hauwai went on from Nix to add Hurricanes and an NRL team (FFA must have spewed)

Coffee Club for Roar expanded to Auckland then has filtered to other parts of NZ. Not sure what other team sponsors have entered NZ after A-League deals as most are local businesses not internationals

Nice unintentional pun !! Tada Booosh.

So Sam Wilkinson is arguing on twitter that the Nix are bad for NZ football, largely because he thinks it's their job to develop NZ players. Ohhhhkaaaay, but what about, um, you know ...NZ clubs, academies and NZFA?

How many all white are currently in the Nix? 6 or 7? How many junior nix players are in the under 23 NZ squad? Another 4 or 5? does that not count as developing NZ talent? Yet another uniformed NZ "journo" spouting off incorrectly.

what a fudgeing idiot 

Edit: Home early from pub so very sober post ;-(

Just wondering if FFA - A-league marketeers look at NZ viewer figures for other HAL games not involving NIX to get the full picture of sponsor return within NZ.

Jesus.  Australia media don't like us, NZ media don't lime us.

It's all out if context BS opinions but that affects average Brians opinion and we need average Brian to come to games.

Sam isn't a journalist. 

Sam Worthington perhaps?

Also I doubt sponsors are pushing into NZ on the back of A-League spend, unless it's sponsoring the Phoenix. (when the coffee club deal came up for renewal it was woefully low as well - which is why the Roar dropped them, probably because they used to own the team).

Well, he was replying to a post by Brew.2 wasn't he?

Correct, Coffee Club and Filtered.

Voerman should interview him. 

Why is it that a man with his background thinks a professional team is bad for NZ? I know he thinks the National league should be "better" - coaches/players and thus more aspirational; but that not really Nix's issue is it? His line of argument seems to be that the Nix are somehow distracting football's attention, when surely his argument should be aimed fairly and squarely at NZF. I would love a NZ National League that was of higher quality too, but that's NZF's problem.

Agreed.  By extension of the article logic, it also is EPL that is bad for NZ football as it distracts the attention of mainstream media and consequently the attention of the public.  To coin a bad example, EPL would be an equivalent of a lovely yet remote (exotic?) girl on the internet as opposed to the homely yet very real girlfriend at home (or something along this creepy line).

That's the venerable argument of the ACFC Knitting Circle. I thought those guys had given up, but clearly rust never sleeps.

Sam Wilkinson? The guy that did absolutely fudgeing nothing anywhere and that thought he was the best footballer ever to come out of Hamilton but didn't realise it was all cause he Dad picked him?!? If Sam was chocolate he would eat himself he thinks he is that good.

Pay him no mind.

spot on.  I admit I never went to a Team Wellington game before the Phoenix existed.  I regularly attend Team Wellington games now.

I'd like to know how much attention the national league got pre Phoenix. My guess is next to less than it gets now.

442.au joins the party.

I think Bos comments goes hand in hand with the overall FOX journalism and production quality. The half time analysis are useless, the commentary is either overhyping biased, I remember on Cahill goal when the pundit went on and on he made this goal happing and all he did was a bit of pressing, or boring clueless phrases, talking for minutes about an offside to create controversy. They also have a minimum off camera angles to make games visually more interesting.

seems journalism world wide in both sports and general news is taking the same path - down the gurgler. The quality is generally crap and ill informed/researched.

Probably a general tendency overall. Once they have to sell a product that's supposed to sell itself, they end up sounding desperate.

Basically it's a perfect storm of sharkness.

There are still pockets of good, free content out there but they are not always easy to find.

do we blame the newscorp juggernaught for diluting the quality of good news because the bought all the competition up and made all the "news" agencies the same.?????????????

Has Rob been excused for his absence. Plausible that he's out of the country on leave. Have we heard from him since stating the timeframe for hiring a coach? Thought we would have heard his reasoning for the appointment?

Good post.

I often find that it is better to read post-game reports on Australian portal of The Guardian than our own Stuff.  Their report on our game last night against Glory was one-sided (written from Perth perspective), but they also avoided discussing the red card and the headbutt. In contrast, wrote a quality report on our New Year game against Adelaide.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/a-league

I'm in the same boat as you. I didn't follow the national league at all pre-nix, now I actively look for results on match days, read articles about what's going on, watch most televised games, and I've even attended some games (despite how challenging it is for me to get to Miramar). The national league wasn't on the radar at all before.