Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

Poetry from the terraces.

That's actually a classic post.

Fandom summed up in four lines.

I've met Billy Connolly in Christchurch too by the way. And talked football with him. On the street, not at a match...

You can no doubt get an intense fan experience in Britain still if you have a spare fifty pounds for a Premier League ticket and avoid the "prawn sandwich brigade"...

That time again eh?  I do not like Trump. Don't try to know me.

Wimmen!

Astute observation ... 

Whether people want to listen to the message or not its not going to change if anything its going to get louder.

Cockerill is simply saying the IMO blinding obvious ... Your current performance pertaining to metrics will see you loose your licence ..

Football a few years ago moved well beyond turn up and pay your bills... as simple as I can every team has done the hard yards its not something special to the Nix's... 

The ball is in the hands of Nix management and NZ fans....  

... you know, until Jerzy pointed it out, I had no idea that "that time again" was a reference to

That kind of 1970s-style banter is truly unexpected. And all after I made a harmless joke that Gunman seems to have taken as an insult. It's as if I said "you'd drink to Joe Stalin's health if the booze was free" and he'd taken it as a serious accusation that he was a Communist.

I would hope that he would at least give some context around the travelling circus, like Westpac Stadium was not available for I think 3 of the 4 away games. That the FFA want a better TV audience and the Phoenix building their brand around the country is meant to help. That the terrible kickoff times is meant to help with our ratings in Australia but hurts our attendance. He knocks Morrison regarding the Petone stadium when one of the biggest issues was the Phoenix getting a 20yr licence to make the investment worthwhile. That our memberships, in the context of memberships in NZ, is very good (Hurricanes only had 4520 members last season and that includes finals tickets which, due to the FFA running the finals, we can't offer). I would have no idea how he would know what marketing the Phoenix would be doing, unless he has been in Wellington and been totally oblivious to the MANY billboards and buses or social media campaigns. I don't know if the Phoenix get any promotional money from the FFA but it would be a bit unfair if the Phoenix have to burden the entire marketing cost of the league in NZ when Fox and the FFA do so much more in Australia than Sky or the FFA do here.

Cockerill talks like he knows things, which is dangerous because it can sway opinion on the 'Nix in a negative way, but is based on "picking up stompies". Can't even research that we don't have a "Luke Rogerson" in our squad.

He is getting to the point of the Daily Mail and should not be used as a credible news source.

Last time I heard, the Phoenix got nothing from the FFA.

Wasn't part of the new deal that the FFA would spend money advertising the A-League in general in NZ?

What depresses me is that all the good will and public interest the save the Nix campaign generated has evaporated so quickly. It really felt like no one in the club (players, coaches, management) harnessed that passion. This season should have been our chance to build on that but instead we are just dying slowly. Ernie handed in his resignation twice, the players almost all seem like they don't give a shark, Des and Greenie are in over their heads, and WelNix are nowhere to be seen. We're getting our lowest crowds ever and we're back to being a joke among the general public. That 4-2 win over Adelaide in front of 13.5k at the RoF seems like another lifetime...

So true its everyone else's fault ... no error has been made in NZ... FFA are evil... agree with everything you say... can you help me a little...

Q I you said ... """they will change the rules whenever and however they want to whatever metrics suits them at the time""..

Does that mean contract law, [given you signed a licence agreement] does not apply in NZ or the Nix don't know how to enforce their rights.

Q 2 You said ""Because as you must be aware there are some metrics in which we are ahead of some of the Aussie teams but hey dont you or Cockeriill let the truth get in the way of a good story.""".

Name one.

Q 3 you said ..""" It has never been a level playing field with more expected out of us than clubs over there who are costing sharkloads and get treated with kid gloves.""'

What club gets extra money from FFA ? They have taken over a couple of clubs when they went belly up but I am unaware of any club that has received special payments. ... Or do you mean their owners are putting in more money ... also in a pod cast a Nix spokesman said you where expected to equal the Mariners and Newcastle metrics ... was he wrong as you suggest you must do more than any other club so do you have to have better metrics than MV ... 

You were the one comparing the Phoenix to AU

I agree with this too, although in theory they did recruit a strong squad on paper for this season.

I generally understand the purpose of the travelling circus from a financial perspective but I am also concerned about the execution.  I don't actually understand the point of playing games in Waikato and New Plymouth other than the fact that the matches are probably financially underwritten. The Christchurch thing was going well and then got canned.  They had nearly 10k in Hawkes Bay and then that wasn't repeated.  I think there are changes needed to the front office as the club needs a face, someone to talk it up and right now there is a big hole where that person should be.  It feels a bit rudderless

Bottom line is that we have to not only meet the metrics that the FFA are setting us, but we also have to be seen to be meeting, and exceeding, them. Public perception of us on both sides of the Tasman is not great to say the least and, as was mentioned earlier, any sympathy, support and momentum we gained during the #savethenix period has all but disappeared. 

Sadly, in my opinion, we're dead men walking. Unless HUGE changes happen quickly at the Club, on and off the park, we will be buried when the first review of the licence comes up. Blaming everyone else but ourselves doesn't cut it any more. 

That's not addressing the issue.  Why New Plymouth?  Why Waikato?  Why have we abandoned Christchurch where we had started to develop a bit of a following?  Why not try and get games in Australia when the stadium is out of action?  You cannot simply say there was no other option - the club made choices to go to these places and there needs to be some accountability for that strategy. 

Is 5k in New Plymouth and 5k in Waikato truly a good option for the club?  It's stuff like that which makes us look like a failing team

That's interesting to know as that and QBE seem to have been the most successful away venues.  I see the economic basis for taking some games on the road, and I get the reasons for games in Auckland - but New Plymouth and Hamilton have me a bit stumped TBH

I'll just cheekily repeat my observation that the Nix have never been beaten in Auckland.

Re-name us the Capital Phoenix and split the games between Wellington and Canberra taking advantage of the Singapore airlines connection and get them on board as a sponsor ?!?!?!?!?

Fudge Hamilton and New Plymouth, play a travelling circus game in Suva!

I still think we should take games in late December and early January to the coastal cities.  When the Basin has floodlights in the 2018-2019 season I hope we can play any games where there is a conflict there rather than going to New Plymouth, etc. It will be a compromise (although we're used to being away from the action) but at least it will be in Wellington.

Roy Krishna will bring all his rellies!

Well, someone from WelNix finally made a statement about the Nix's season: G-wrath Morgan said that the Nix win was intoxicating "given it's so rare". You have to scroll through a lot of disjointed crazy Twitter posts about human excrement to see it though:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/03-04-2017/an-amazin...

All I said to him was "Man this guy has been drinking or smoking something tonight!" And got that reply about the Nix winning

I am still unsure whether Gareth is just very passionate about what he believes in or is batshark crazy

I believe you need both to own a football club.

The Phoenix have been poo lately, so he wants out. 

I think you're on to something. 

WELNIX GP Ltd now owned by InvestNix Ltd 

What does that mean in real terms? 

WelNix are putting together a F1 team?

Well looking at InvestNix Holdings Ltd the only shareholder is Rob Morrison. While other one had Gareth Morgan and Rob so maybe it's them buying Gareth out since he is going for parliament. 

https://www.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/...

https://www.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/...