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Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

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"We're Campbelltown, the mighty Campbelltown,

We're not the Kingz, or Knights, or Nix"

Doesn't work, does it? There's your evidence that it's a fabrication to sell a tabloid rag.


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Blew.2 wrote:
Martial wrote:

Nix just posted an article about their academy players making NZ youth squads but still no time or inclination to address these persistent rumours.

   

The club has really lost control of this one, and they need to wrestle it back and flip all this negativity on its head. One way would be to unveil the new coach. And couple it with a firm statement from management that we're here for the long haul and already building for next season. 

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Yakcall wrote:

Martin Devlin was just on Radio Sport speaking with Simon Hill. (https://www.radiosport.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/)

Summary of Simon Hills comments

Simon Hill says it is not certain and questions why Nix haven't made a comment

Metrics not been met but Hill did admit league numbers where down also

Nix have to do better than other teams because of who we are.

Did admit that expansion clubs have probably been working in the background around this story

Bloody Gareth Morgan comment raised about how he didn't want the license

Explained the story that license would be worth less futher in the go towards the 2 years left.

Hill, if Nix are to go. He sees it more likely FFA will buy the license and take it back than an expansion team getting it.

All sounds pretty  sensible really.

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dairyflat wrote:
patrick478 wrote:

Why should the club come out and deny works of fiction spread by pseudonyms? If they did that, they'd be making public statements daily. 

Indeed.

Obviously the landscape has changed significantly since I made this post, so I'm not quite sure why you've quoted it? The story has gone well beyond Tony Rallis spouting it alone.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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I quoted it about the time you posted it. In agreement with you. 

You follow?

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
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dairyflat wrote:

I quoted it about the time you posted it. In agreement with you. 

You follow?

Ah, I understand now. As you were.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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Yakcall wrote:

Martin Devlin was just on Radio Sport speaking with Simon Hill. (https://www.radiosport.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/)

Summary of Simon Hills comments

Simon Hill says it is not certain and questions why Nix haven't made a comment

Metrics not been met but Hill did admit league numbers where down also

Nix have to do better than other teams because of who we are.

Did admit that expansion clubs have probably been working in the background around this story

Bloody Gareth Morgan comment raised about how he didn't want the license

Explained the story that license would be worth less futher in the go towards the 2 years left.

Hill, if Nix are to go. He sees it more likely FFA will buy the license and take it back than an expansion team getting it.

I don't buy that. The FFA profit off of the HAL, the owners are propping up the league. On top of that we are foreign investment into the HAL, we are not stopping more investment from within Australia setting up new teams.
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Bullion wrote:
Yakcall wrote:

Martin Devlin was just on Radio Sport speaking with Simon Hill. (https://www.radiosport.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/)

Summary of Simon Hills comments

Simon Hill says it is not certain and questions why Nix haven't made a comment

Metrics not been met but Hill did admit league numbers where down also

Nix have to do better than other teams because of who we are.

Did admit that expansion clubs have probably been working in the background around this story

Bloody Gareth Morgan comment raised about how he didn't want the license

Explained the story that license would be worth less futher in the go towards the 2 years left.

Hill, if Nix are to go. He sees it more likely FFA will buy the license and take it back than an expansion team getting it.

I don't buy that. The FFA profit off of the HAL, the owners are propping up the league. On top of that we are foreign investment into the HAL, we are not stopping more investment from within Australia setting up new teams.

Yeah but the arguement has always been from the Australian press and some of their public that we do nothing to help Australian football (yes I know, not getting into that discussion) and the fact that we are from NZ, we are natural held to a higher standard than say CCM that isn't facing this same NIXOUT business. From listening to it and his wording it did sound like he thought it wasn't fair but was just the way it is.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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piney trying to get an interview with Morrison on Radio Sport in next few hours

Founder

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Feverish wrote:

piney trying to get an interview with Morrison on Radio Sport in next few hours

Cue, turn on Radio Sport...

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Feverish wrote:

piney trying to get an interview with Morrison on Radio Sport in next few hours

Cue, turn on Radio Sport...

Radio sport saying all going well, Jason Pine will be on between 3-4pm talking to Rob Morrison

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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Wellington Phoenix Chairman Rob Morrison refutes recent media allegations that the Wellington Phoenix licence is currently up for sale.

“As has been well reported in recent times, the A-League is in transition including a significant investigation by FIFA into the best governance model for the FFA and the impacts this will have on A-League and its independence.

‘’The FFA has a stated desire, noted without consultation with the clubs through APFCA, to expand the A-League. This has instigated a storm of speculation around licences.

‘’There are a number of parties interested and these parties have been talking to a number of clubs around A-League expansion and licences. Wellington has not been immune to this and it’s only appropriate that as a club we keep abreast of all possible options going around the clubs.

‘’The Welnix ownership group has invested a significant amount of money and continue to do so including an unprecedented investment into the club’s Academy which is A-League leading and is producing some significant player talent, an investment largely unsupported by the national body.

“It is not appropriate for any further speculation and we will not be making any decision on the future of this club until the future of the A-League is clearer which may not be for some time.

“Ultimately we remain focussed on our two key metrics – attendance at home games and viewership on Sky.”

Founder

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Basically comes down to the following:

FFA turfed and independent league = business as usual

FFA stay in control and still want us out = look at offers for mergers or sale

https://www.wellingtonphoenix.com/news/wellington-...

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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scribbler wrote:
james dean wrote:

The problem with this story is that a "merger" makes absolutely no sense for many reasons - the licence isn't transferable, how do you merge two clubs in different countries and the FFA is not going to allow an expansion team a back door into the competition.

I still think that as a club we are in big trouble and we have to find a way to play to our strengths and get crowds and viewers up.  But this whole story smacks of 2 + 2 = 5.

The best way to turn the club around is to start winning games. I know, we've got to have a good coach, and a few more top class players, but winning games next season and playing attractive football would not only bump up the crowds, but grab a whole bunch of positive media attention. Look how the Woeful Warriors are suddenly the Winning Warriors after a great start to their season. And, or course, if we were one of the best performing clubs in the HAL, mid to upper table would do it, FFA and their Fox mouthpieces would find it very hard to justify dumping us out of the competition, or not extending our licence.

It's not just the best way, it's the only way. We aren't in England where they live and breath football, NZ is more a nation of bandwagon jumpers. If we can get in the top 4 in both the remaining seasons as well as working harder to get people to turn up, it might just keep us afloat. But I can't see any other scenario where crowds/ratings increase other than winning.

bling blang blah
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Feverish wrote:

Wellington Phoenix Chairman Rob Morrison refutes recent media allegations that the Wellington Phoenix licence is currently up for sale.

“As has been well reported in recent times, the A-League is in transition including a significant investigation by FIFA into the best governance model for the FFA and the impacts this will have on A-League and its independence.

‘’The FFA has a stated desire, noted without consultation with the clubs through APFCA, to expand the A-League. This has instigated a storm of speculation around licences.

‘’There are a number of parties interested and these parties have been talking to a number of clubs around A-League expansion and licences. Wellington has not been immune to this and it’s only appropriate that as a club we keep abreast of all possible options going around the clubs.

‘’The Welnix ownership group has invested a significant amount of money and continue to do so including an unprecedented investment into the club’s Academy which is A-League leading and is producing some significant player talent, an investment largely unsupported by the national body.

“It is not appropriate for any further speculation and we will not be making any decision on the future of this club until the future of the A-League is clearer which may not be for some time.

“Ultimately we remain focussed on our two key metrics – attendance at home games and viewership on Sky.”

  • Are they talking NZF or FFA here? Either way, since when does a national body get involved to support pro clubs to develop players? 
  • Other than the title, there isn't much refuting in this. 
  • I'm sure this statement will only disappoint those on here asking for a statement from the club. 
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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kwlap wrote:
Feverish wrote:

Wellington Phoenix Chairman Rob Morrison refutes recent media allegations that the Wellington Phoenix licence is currently up for sale.

“As has been well reported in recent times, the A-League is in transition including a significant investigation by FIFA into the best governance model for the FFA and the impacts this will have on A-League and its independence.

‘’The FFA has a stated desire, noted without consultation with the clubs through APFCA, to expand the A-League. This has instigated a storm of speculation around licences.

‘’There are a number of parties interested and these parties have been talking to a number of clubs around A-League expansion and licences. Wellington has not been immune to this and it’s only appropriate that as a club we keep abreast of all possible options going around the clubs.

‘’The Welnix ownership group has invested a significant amount of money and continue to do so including an unprecedented investment into the club’s Academy which is A-League leading and is producing some significant player talent, an investment largely unsupported by the national body.

“It is not appropriate for any further speculation and we will not be making any decision on the future of this club until the future of the A-League is clearer which may not be for some time.

“Ultimately we remain focussed on our two key metrics – attendance at home games and viewership on Sky.”

  • Are they talking NZF or FFA here? Either way, since when does a national body get involved to support pro clubs to develop players? 
  • Other than the title, there isn't much refuting in this. 
  • I'm sure this statement will only disappoint those on here asking for a statement from the club. 

Assumd NZF



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On now

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On right now

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Now on



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Rob Morrison on Radio Sport at the moment talking to Jason Pine. Will post link when I have it but this is the most clear bit. 

“Are you interested in selling the A-League licence”
Rob Morrison: “No, is the simple answer”.

Then listen to it further, he says really needs FFA out as otherwise he sees the A-League dying a slow death. So there could be a possibility in future. 

Also said the 10 expansion teams have talked to not only the Nix but all A-League clubs and while silly to not listen. They aren't selling!

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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Woah, Morrison hasn't been sugarcoating his views on NZ Football, the FFA, Fox Sports journos. 

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The comment about former players was quite enjoyable. 

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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Jaickin wrote:

Woah, Morrison hasn't been sugarcoating his views on NZ Football, the FFA, Fox Sports journos. 

I especially loved the FTFFA!

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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Is there a recording?

I'll answer my own question.

https://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2018.04.24-15.00.00-S.mp3

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Thank you Mr Morrison!

Rob Morrison's Yellow Army!



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Good response from Morrison.  Took a while to get there, but the interview is good.  Cliffs notes version is that if the clubs don't get their way in the Governance battle with the FFA they are gone, but other than that, they are committed.  Which is the position I assumed we had prior to the last few days, so that's a positive for me.

Has a good dig at the trash rags and journos in the media that continuously runs with the rubbish speculative Nix out stories.


Also, have always been open to approaches from investors regarding shared ownership/investment esp. from an overseas club as in City Group and Melb. City (my example, not his).

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I took notes: Overall I think that the owners will sell or divest if the price was right but it all hinges on there having to be a new independent A League. If there is no change there, there will be no Nix and probably no A League. I believe him to be genuine and in my mind I still believe that they are hanging on in the hope there will be an independent A League both to give the club some real value and for the good of the game itself.

Have they been in discussion with other parties?

Yes but he denied it was about sale of the club, he said they were not interested in selling.

Changes to the A League:

Ultimately important and unless there are changes the A League will die a slow death. The FFA have been obstructive re any change but FIFA expects change so it is likely to occur.

Sharing a license:

Still interested and have looked at it before. There has been very little support in NZ from NZF and this has meant a conscious move to align themselves with Australia which has resulted in a number of approaches from parties to share the license. He said it was still possible and they will look at it again but it depends on an independent A League going forward.

Are they committed to a Wellington based Nix going forward?

He did not give a straight yes and went on to again talk about being interested in attracting another investor. Currently the A League is not a sustainable model. There are plenty of interested investors in a sustainable A League.

The Welnix investor group:

Not everyone is interested in remaining an owner - especially if it just involves writing cheques. A lot of what they do is not good business and they are putting the club and fans ahead of their own personal interest.

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Yakcall wrote:

Rob Morrison on Radio Sport at the moment talking to Jason Pine.

 really needs FFA out as otherwise he sees the A-League dying a slow fast death. So there could be a possibility in future.

fixed

FIFA, AFA, AAFC, lack of #prorel, City Group "disappointing" comments, Sage seeking money from A$ia, metrics everywhere. This is a fast death, not a slow one; though it is a SLOWY one.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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So are the fans now on the same page?

That is - do we believe Rob, or we think he's lying?

That's the reason I wasn't so sure that commenting on the issues were a good idea, that whatever Rob or Domey said would be disbelieved or be the basis for new conspiracy theories / "imminent death of the Nix predicted".


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I took notes: Overall I think that the owners will sell or divest if the price was right but it all hinges on there having to be a new independent A League. If there is no change there, there will be no Nix and probably no A League. I believe him to be genuine and in my mind I still believe that they are hanging on in the hope there will be an independent A League both to give the club some real value and for the good of the game itself.

Have they been in discussion with other parties?

Yes but he denied it was about sale of the club, he said they were not interested in selling.

Changes to the A League:

Ultimately important and unless there are changes the A League will die a slow death. The FFA have been obstructive re any change but FIFA expects change so it is likely to occur.

Sharing a license:

Still interested and have looked at it before. There has been very little support in NZ from NZF and this has meant a conscious move to align themselves with Australia which has resulted in a number of approaches from parties to share the license. He said it was still possible and they will look at it again but it depends on an independent A League going forward.

Are they committed to a Wellington based Nix going forward?

He did not give a straight yes and went on to again talk about being interested in attracting another investor. Currently the A League is not a sustainable model. There are plenty of interested investors in a sustainable A League.

The Welnix investor group:

Not everyone is interested in remaining an owner - especially if it just involves writing cheques. A lot of what they do is not good business and they are putting the club and fans ahead of their own personal interest.

Good Summary.

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I am trying to get the whole interview transcribed and then you can read it for yourself too and take out the main bits. Will post as a google doc

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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Robs no sugar coated style is why we run a GM.  I remember the first time he front a Member forum.  Blunt and Direct.

  Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn

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Doloras wrote:

So are the fans now on the same page?

That is - do we believe Rob, or we think he's lying?

That's the reason I wasn't so sure that commenting on the issues were a good idea, that whatever Rob or Domey said would be disbelieved or be the basis for new conspiracy theories / "imminent death of the Nix predicted".

I see no reason to not "believe" Rob here, he's being quite candid.

a.haak

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Blew.2 wrote:

Robs no sugar coated style is why we run a GM.  I remember the first time he front a Member forum.  Blunt and Direct.

  Waiting for the media version of his interview. (Rewrite)

  Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn

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Doloras wrote:

So are the fans now on the same page?

That is - do we believe Rob, or we think he's lying?

That's the reason I wasn't so sure that commenting on the issues were a good idea, that whatever Rob or Domey said would be disbelieved or be the basis for new conspiracy theories / "imminent death of the Nix predicted".

 I was very impressed with Morrison and thought he came across as a straight shooter with some thoughtful answers. And I liked the way he acknowledged the fans and the way they've stuck with the club through thick and thin. The only obvious question Piney didn't ask was about the appointment of a new coach and when it's going to happen.
Basically, I think the club is in good hands if Morrison stays at the helm. 

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Blew.2 wrote:
Blew.2 wrote:

Robs no sugar coated style is why we run a GM.  I remember the first time he front a Member forum.  Blunt and Direct.

  Waiting for the media version of his interview. (Rewrite)

 Nix refuse to rule out Sale - 4 4 2  Based on press release

  Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn

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Very glad that Rob is our chairman. He obviously won't suffer foolishness and will name anyone that he thinks isn't doing their bit. Gives me big hope that we will appoint a decent coach this time round.
I also appreciated his positive feedback to the hardcore Nix supporters.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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