Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/103170270/kiwis-played-fewer-minutes-than-ever-in-wellington-phoenixs-201718-season

Be interesting to see the stats for Kalazec vs Greenacre.

His track record is mixed - as I said above a lot of these "whistle blower" accounts are actually multiple connected people so they can have varying levels of accuracy.

I like the bit where people believe the rumours from a tabloid website where an agent hides badly behind a nom de plume ahead of Jason Pine stating clearly that it's not the case.

why?

Because I'll find it interesting.

why?

So here is the stats, Kalazec was coach up until the 7th March, 

Below is all the players, country they represent and total games and Minutes

Sorted by total number of minutes under Kalazec

Sorted under total minutes under Greenie

Lastly, total minutes under country by coach

Information for viewing here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BGkpN3d4eC...

It's like having a toddler (Feverish, not Matt).

Oi. Coaching thread is over that way.

Because the standout players towards the season were all young kiwis that played under Greenie. Singh, Cacace, Ridenton, and Sail all played significant minutes under Greenie with other players like Rogerson getting time (and scoring goals as well). It would be interesting to see if these observations are backed by fact. Also, I'd hazzard to guess that in the last few games of the season Kiwi's created more chances and scored more goals than non Kiwis.

Thanks for the spreadsheet Matt.

true

Just seeing if some people can come to the realistation that a youth policy is not chucking in youth when you have nothing to lose/try and win the public. Go have a chat to Declan some time.

Singh and Cacace both started playing under Kalezic. And Ridenton was a feature.the entire season. Sail is the only one who didn't get time with Kalezic, but that's offset by the fact that Kalezic played Smith a lot at the start of the season.

Just to give some context to this 'kiwi youth revolution' that Greenacre apparently started.

I'm not saying that, and in fact Kalazic had said that Singh would start every game a couple of weeks before he left, the young Kiwi policy started a couple of games before Darije left.

So, the interesting thing about those numbers is that under Kelezic Kiwi's played 28.5%, under Greenacre they played 36.8%

That means that even if the policy that the club had at the end of the season continued it would still be in the bottom half of seasons by Kiwi hours played.

Also, not including Durante; I can understand the reasons, but then including WeeMac, who if it was not for a 2009 change in FIFA statutes would NEVER have been able to represent NZ, is bit of a double standard. Durante was already and AW before WeeMac played his first game for a NZ club.

Oh, my comment wasn't aimed at you, but more at the general narrative that seems to be developing that Greenacre started promoting Kiwi youth at the end of the season - when actually, that had started happening before he even took over. Sure a couple of others got a few more opportunities, but then again, like Greenie said, it's the end of a season where a lot has gone wrong, it's entirely expected/normal to give fringe players a run to see how they go.

People without abnormally high standards of intellectual honesty always prefer stories which confirm their prior beliefs, no matter the source. And that's why FOX News is so big.

This may belong in another thread, but ...

A-League finals lost in a sea of Australian sport as code struggles to generate enthusiasm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-20/hinds-a-leag...

But McGlinchey was born in the centre circle of Te Whiti Park during the half time break of a Hutt Valley United game

Rob turned down $7 million so he is  off to Aus to seek $4 million Got to be true

Maybe I've missed something amongst all these posts. I probably have.

But in Australia, why on earth would anyone/club/franchise/group of smart business people - see value in buying the Phoenix licence?

It has virtual zero brand value in Australia. 

The FFA have just given the green light to expansion, for 2 new teams - sure is not a given, with all governance issues going on!. 

However unless you gave yourself very little chance of being one of those new expansion teams, why buy the Nix licence and relocate a team, with all extra "baggage" that would entail. Much much better to start your own identity from scratch.

Sounds bunch of shark.

Fact check:

1. We know for certain that there has been a $7m concrete offer for the club? yes/no 

2. The closer to the date that the club might lose its license, the value of the club increases? yes/no

3. One of the club owners has recently publicly stated that he wants to sell the club? yes/no

I go more on the fact that only 1 media outlet in Australia have run with the story, no one else has touched which points to it being bullshark. Someones trying to create mischief, or they've noticed Morrison in Oz and lot and put 2 and 2 together and got 22

Now to add more of that Gareth hasn't been involved in the club for years. If he wanted out of the WelNix he could easily get out, the other would buy him out. He's not speaking on behalf of the other owners or the club.

Rob has been over in Australia a lot lately yes, but not to sell the club but as part of APFCA and meeting other clubs to take over the A-League from the FFA.

Now, who would rather provide a distraction from all their current failings and FIFA having to intervene? Why do you think the FFA also suddenly talked up expansion after early saying it wasn't on the radar at the moment. As per here some see it as another distration from their own failings.

I think most of the scuttlebutt is that it would be just buying the licence and starting from scratch elsewhere. The Phoenix brand would be done. The idea being the Nix licence would be cheaper to acquire than the two expansion licences, whether correct or not.

Yipe fair enough. 

But until you knew how much an expansion licence was going to cost, again why bother buying the Nix licence now? 

Have FFA revealed how much an expansion licence will cost yet?

I repeat.  Person hiding on a tabloid website vs an experienced and knowledgeable person close to the people involved.  You have chosen to believe the least credible source by a mile but then again this is a pattern so I'm not surprised.

Seems to be a strong hint that you will need to cough up your own money for the first 3 years plus you used to have to spend millions on a licence.  The other adnatage of stealing the Phoenix licence is it makes you one of 10 and the FFA can't afford to lose one of the base 10 so like every other A-League club (other than the Phoenix and Victory) would be bailed out if it got a bit shark.

Have heard $15 million for expansion license, one group was trying to buy Nix licence for $7m.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Don't know how accurate these figures really are.

Fair play. Good points. However still don't see it happening. 

The owners are all 'proud' Wellingtonians - I understand? 

Wealthy individuals, who whilst not liking propping up an enterprise losing money (and why should they) - know that if they are the guys who sell the town's football team, they ain't going to be popular. The bad guys for sure.

The capital is a small place. Are they going to be happy when some football dad/mum/kid recognises them on the street, at the park, restaurant etc and gives them a mouthful of abuse and angst. That could go on for a few bitter years.

Better to wait 2 years for FFA to do the rug pulling.

Firstly, that's a hardly revolutionary difference. Especially since the Dura point reflects DK's attempts to get rid of him, while Greenacre didn't have that kind of agenda.

The other thing is that some of the Kiwi minutes were forced on Greenacre - if Velaphi hadn't been injured, Sail wouldn't have got the minutes that he did. It'd be interesting to see what the difference in that case would be - I'd guess not much, but I'm not working it out.

I think they see the value of the club being much more if the league escaped the FFA management.  They have invested a huge amount of time and effort into trying to make that happen so I don't see any advantage to bailing out now.  

I mean why would Rob be in Aus now meeting with the ownership group and leading the ownership group on the FFA/FIFA siuation if they were bailing out?

No part of this stands up unless you are determined to be contrary,

It adds 360 mins to Australian total and takes it off the Kiwi if you assume that Velaphi played the four games that Sail ended up having

Thanks Matt, so if I have my calculations right, that brings the difference to about 2%. Hardly worth mentioning, really.