Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

What's sadder Fortean and Scribbler, is that it will probably happen. Almost as sure as Pavlova was a Kiwi creation.

I think I have over a thousand unread posts. Calm down fellas.

Saw this on Reddit from a Sydney fan. Wouldn't put it past the FFA (or, at the very least, a couple anti-Nix media outlets) to formulate a plan like this

essasy topic,welnix have run the Phoenix into the ground. Discuss

Why are Rob, or Domey in oz not doing the rounds with 442, smh, sbs etc. The face they aren’t means they are either not comfortable talking on the record and committing to certain things or they’re incompetent. Which do you think it is?

I think they may feel their recently released statement was all that needed to be said and since then, the Aussie media/FFA/Fox have lifted their game up a level to reinforce the previous load of bollox.

Remember the last time we were all like IMMINENT DEATH OF THE NIX PREDICTED?
That was just before Welnix came on the scene.

Would love to know what the Fever Elite know that we don't...

Listen to podcast I guess. But Welnix need to get their messages all the way to Australia, beyond the YF bubble.

The biggest upheaval in Oz football for some 30 + years and they are not running the story or gather view points of the parties involved.

It is not in the FFA interest to let them do it. 

The FFA(Gallop) and or Fox must be just about due to release/make one any day now.

Ozzy fans are not interest in debating CRWG unless it has Nix out slant. 

Nah, I don’t hear this in Sydney. Talk around NSW NPL games is most want CRWG to get on with it, with Pro Rel in mind in future, and let Nix and/or any other team survive according to ProRel rules of the football jungle, like everywhere else in the world. 

However most fear Lowys/FFA influencing independent chair and thus outcome of CRWG

The fact mainstream media are not all over this story every step of the way is outrageous. 

Lowy/ FFA sure to stall and continue to stir Fans with Nix bashing 

Have they appointed the independent chair yet? 

One could take the efforts of Gallop & Lowy as personal.....and Fox Sport.

I’d like to hear more in the media from AAFC’s Krayem, as per this tweet of his a couple of days ago. It would help refocus the media on the more important issue and allow Morrison to keep working behind the scenes where he is clearly more comfortable (and rob should get some professional PR help). 

No

Well if the elitist liberal lunch chat was designed to shut down this thread....job done.

I was reassured by what I heard, but disappointed I didn't hear it from the horse's mouth. 

I'm also concerned that Rob appears to have conflated Aussie and Kiwi media.

The fourth estate has its place for a reason.

What the lunch did do was put various media speculation into a kind of sorted order. It has explained what and why in a way we all can understand. Shark, I've been riding the YF for a while with my protests and even I can see and understand it. Probably the best podcast that we all needed for some time. I don't care whom was at the meeting but what was said was good. Even down to personal opinion and comments made. The picture is a damn lot clearer than what 4-4-2 and Fox etc were coming out with and the NZ media too. Sure, they could have spoken with Piney better but that's a lesson learned. Jason is and has always been a big NIX fan. I am sure if it had been explained to him, he would have reported it accordingly. 

Time to move forward and all of us close ranks, we have a season to get in there with crowd numbers - that's our responsibility as well as the clubs. Let's make it happen. All for one and one for all etc.

I still think that the club needs to open themselves up to media scrutiny on the 'sale' stories. To tell the truth, there has been so much information and misinformation bandied about, I don't know how a reasonable person can be certain what the real situation is. Without being condescending, the YF group that sat down with Morrison are not journalists and while it seems they got a lot of good information from him, it wasn't really tested in a mongrel kind of way that an investigative [especially Australian] journalist would do.

The cynical might say that was the reason Morrison chose to speak to YF rather than open themselves up to intense media scrutiny.

We have all asked why they didn't talk to Piney as a friendly face and I think it was mentioned that Morrison talked about Piney saying something less than complimentary. I heard Piney say on the radio that 'the goal posts had shifted' since he spoke with Morrison and I got the impression he was pretty pissed off about something. Whether it was that he believed that he had been lied to in the first place or his nose was put out of joint because Morrison didn't some back and speak to him again. A pissed off journo with knowledge can be quite a dangerous prospect to an interviewee with either something to hide or has some difficult answers to give.

I'm not saying who is right and who is wrong, Morrison's latest chat with YF rings true but so do some of the things that had been reported prior to this. I'm not certain that I believe either side of the argument completely and my faith in either is not a given.

Which was precisely the goal of FFA disinformation, as it is the goal of all disinformation campaigns. The Russians, for example, are excellent at this. (Not saying the Russians work David Gallop as a glove puppet, but this is a technology of "peeing in the meme pool" which used by all the heavyweights who want to impact public opinion these days.)

Welnix seem to believe that a sit-down with Piney or Voerman or whoever would just give more legs to the furphies being spread by the Aussie press, and have instead decided on the current course of action. I won't say whether I think this is the right move or not. But I am highly, highly skeptical of anyone here who says their minds would be settled/reassured if Rob/Domey fronted the real media. I 100% believe that if this would happen, the response would be 100% sure to be but this just raises more questions! Some people have decided that Welnix are liars and will never believe anything they say from this point onwards. Or at least until the team starts winning.

This is also the fun hobby that their full on professional life funds right? 

I'm happy for the club to be communicating as often as possible on as many fronts and through as many mediums as possible. This is a full-on fire fight and if they have to put 2 people on it full time then I think they should.

In addition to what Napier Phoenix has said above, dealing with only YF last week was short sighted because we only represent the hard core. The majority of their stakeholders or customers are the general public who are not in the business of seeking the truth, they need to be provided with it and the mainstream news media are the best way of doing this for your Average Joe Punter.

I hope that Rob wanted to get the truth out there to the faithful before the full on fight with the Aussie media. Whatever he says, they are not going to be very supportive of because that is not on their agenda. At least we have a fairly good idea of how things really are. Aussie media & grain of salt!

Just a couple of points which I think belong in this thread.

442 & the Roar in  separate articles the 442 one is headed as such and the Roar thread comments included in a FFA thread.

What is being said is the two new teams will have a licence fee of 10 million and need to go 4 years without sharing any TV revenue. By my cals that's an entry price of over 23 million. More so it would indicate that there is no way FFA would allow any team at this stage to switch owners.

Second, and maybe obvious but needs to be said as he puts on his helmet. Whether you stay or leave the A-League is entirely in your hands... the cards you have been dealt, have given you a difficult hand, of this there is no argument.  However if you met the metrics then you are in, it's that simple. 

The real chesnut is they can’t 100% rule out a sale of 100% of the club.

If some fool offers them $16.3M they well may just say fudge it we are selling. The chances of this are none to zero, but if a journo asks the question what do they say? Yes technically we could sell. Then you have your damaging ‘Nix for Sale’ headlines.

Think Morrison has zero appetite to devoting any time to navigating tricky interviews, and prefers to put his energies elsewhere. Sympathise with that to a point.

I still think they badly need a friend in the Australian media, so if the relationship with FFA is now completely dysfunctional, why not just pick an Aussie journo and feed them media releases, leaked emails or whatever to fight back.

So much this. 

What I am still concerned about is if Rob cannot front a Jason Pine interview (whom would be very balanced and historically has always given the club the benefit of the doubt) but I suspect would ask some probing questions, than something is wrong.

If we applied the same metrics to all the other clubs in the league we wouldn't have a fudgeing league to play in!

Melbourne Victory would just play an intra-squad game once a year. 

Seems the FFA have only stopped  the flow of bullshark since SW Sydney tweeted in support of the truth! They cant afford to piss off a potential new investor in the league, especially given that the Brisbane Strikers consortium has pulled the pin...

The Strikers have withdrawn from the race which will see two teams join the competition next year, citing issues with FFA's process.

The club's chief executive Bruce Dinsdale said their bid had well-capitalised and passionate backers but decided against buying in at the eleventh hour.

"Many important financial aspects of the expansion process, and the expectations around ongoing criteria, are neither clear nor specific and do not allow for appropriate financial and strategic planning,"

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/strikers-pull-out-of-a-league-expansion

I assume from your post you know what metrics you need to met.... I have never seen them so would appreciate you sharing the info.. 

But based on what you said no one meets the metrics... so you need crowds greater than what... 

MV 17.7 K

SFC 14.9 K

Then use that population to create the % (Nice you went straight to the top 2 not bottom 2 active clubs)

The cut-off is actually 45 minutes.  A few years ago I was sitting with the marketing guys at the Nix and they told me the research they had showed if it takes you over 45 minutes to get to the stadium you won't go.  Sorry I don't have anything to support it, only the details from my discussions.  I also realise there are exceptions, but people like Ryans Rovers are not the norm (awesome though he is)

It takes me an hour (bike -> bus -> walk) to get to QBE, but I still go for the mighty Phoenix