Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA

How long were the FFA financing <insert team name here> for?

How am I blind and where have I said they have not funded some teams and further find one post where I have said the Nix current ownership is no good nay very good... If you definition of being good is being able to pay the bills remember Clive Palmer was kicked out and he had heaps of money to pay the bills... 

What I have said and posted often and in many threads is how poor nay pitiful the media coverage in NZ is and how many posters like yourself seem incapable of distinguishing between a criticism that looks at real issues and a egg ball attack... like every post that is not all sunshine lolly pops and sugar coated candy drops, not from a non Wellington person has alternative reasons... all this conspiracy theory does not help..

Perfect example is the FFA post above where it says FFA are concerned about crowds and especially ratings and critically  revenue coming out of NZ ... so to help they are trying to get FTA coverage of the A-League and especially the Nix... the responses are FFA are in a mess, another FFA stuff up ...

Your owners seem to want to enter into a debate / discussion / dialogue on crowds in Wellington ... and are openly attacked as being out of touch, interfering etc... its their fault... 

At some point arguably the two most important management groups that impact on the Nix are signing the same song these being your current owners and those that manage the A-League ... both have said similar things...

You can bury your head and scream its woeful management who don't understand and what a hopeless mess the FFA are .. but at some point you should consider what they are saying... more importantly how they are trying to help.. 

Also understand what FFA are trying to do and become part of it ... FFA plans are very aggressive and are to become the biggest code and they want a 100 million dollar media deal for the A-League alone within two years.. to put this into context the Super Rugby in the SANDZAR have offered for all Super Rugby matches and all national rugby games less than 15 million... NZ & SA will fund the Australian side of if they go broke ... Football is smashing Union and already in Melbourne and Sydney killing RL in crowds ... 

I may be a pest in your mind however my head is not buried in the sand and blaming everyone else ... 

Spot on. If only the club would open its eyes to this. Oh, thats right they did. They rewarded the fans with the birdie dance.

What is the halftime competition? I tend to go out for a pit stop at half time so hardly ever see whatever happens.

Bubble football

From my hazy memory there was a guy wearing nude coloured chinos *vom*

What is a 'chinos'? Is it a pun related to All Whites vs China that I'm missing?

Gallop said he was waiting to hear from Phoenix powerbrokers about their plans before a decision will be made.

"We're talking again about the condition of the licence and the ball's in their court," he said. "We'd like to know what their long-term strategy is.

"Let's wait and see what their proposal looks like."

Correct. They don't want a franchise to fall over a year after granted an extension. Especially leading into the negotiations for the next TV deal. 

It just seems odd that all this is coming out now, and in a fairly public way.

Either there's a lot media un-savvy people involved, or there's some fire behind all the smoke.

It just seems odd that all this is coming out now, and in a fairly public way.

Either there's a lot media un-savvy people involved, or there's some fire behind all the smoke.

How they are acting seems like they are setting up the 'Nix for the long haul, 2 academies, reserve team, bringing overseas teams to play HAL teams in NZ. They have been talking about wanting the same licence extension of the other teams in the media. If anything, it's not purely about how well run the Phoenix are but working out what is the best mix of clubs/locations to maximise revenue and interest in Australia - do the Phoenix have a case in that.

How they are acting seems like they are setting up the 'Nix for the long haul, 2 academies, reserve team, bringing overseas teams to play HAL teams in NZ. They have been talking about wanting the same licence extension of the other teams in the media. If anything, it's not purely about how well run the Phoenix are but working out what is the best mix of clubs/locations to maximise revenue and interest in Australia - do the Phoenix have a case in that.

Are these academies actually theirs and fully funded by them or are they just giving them their name and the infrastructure are existing entities? If the latter, thent hat is not much of a financial investment ont heir behalf and easy to walk away from. The United Tour could be called purely a money making venture. Makes sens eto have a granted extention as it makes the club more valuable for resale. Devils advocate here but it might be all smoke and mirrors.

What you are saying Bullion is reasonably correct [easier to just run a first team] but the owners are businessmen and good business is to add value to their investment and/or get other revenue streams associtaed with their club. I'm certain that the football United tour was predominantly done in an attempt to make an immediate profit on the tour itself. Any ongoing benefit was incidental and aspirational but they would not have done it in the sound knowledge that they wouldn't make a profit on it. The Phoenix model/business is not completely broken like a Fury, Gold Coast or Mariners so Welnix are completely driven to keep the club alive, if not only to help it retain book value and to make it an attractive purchase option for someone should they decide to sell. Whatever Welnix' plans are, we don't know and it doesn't really matter but we shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking because they do this and that it means they intend to keep hold of the club. I'm just pointing out that there are equally other reasons that might suggest the contrary and they are sprucing the club up for sale. In saying that, this is purely conjecture too and no apparent hard evidence to suggest this is the case either.

Keep it or sell it, I would think the incentives are the same - make it a successful team and viable business.

The one to worry about is the option of just giving up the license.  And they don't seem to be acting like that's the plan. 

Slightly away from the current discussion; any thoughts on what might happen if an overseas party buys the club?

The last thing I ever want to see is "The New Zealand Phoenix".