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Phoenix Transfer - speculation (Part 1)

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I notice Coveny's name isn't appearing much: are people assuming he will be back next season, or has he retired and I'm the last one to find out? I would've thought that, for all his sterling work this season, the time has come for Covs to hang up the boots. To me he has been a stopgap measure only, and would hopefully be replaced with a younger, more incisive striker next season.
 
 
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totally agree with Old is days were numbered along way back.
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StopOut wrote:
I notice Coveny's name isn't appearing much: are people assuming he will be back next season, or has he retired and I'm the last one to find out? I would've thought that, for all his sterling work this season, the time has come for Covs to hang up the boots. To me he has been a stopgap measure only, and would hopefully be replaced with a younger, more incisive striker next season.
 
I thought Coveny did alright this season. He was still pretty quick and he got through a power of work. Didn't score many, granted, but did win a few penalties and had a hand in setting some goals up. I think, due to his age, everybody is just assuming that he'll pack it in now.
 
As Joel Porter was one of the names being bandied around as a signing target, we can assume that we'll be looking at signing at least one striker for the new season.
Jag2008-01-22 07:47:00

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If I Covs did retire I would give him a standing ovation, but I would be happy to see him give it one more go next season. We know he won't be a frontline striker but when we needed him he was a key member of the team and set up Smeltz for a couple of great goals.
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Doesn't Cov have a clause in his contract with an option of having a coaching role.  Might be good to see the ol' warhorse to take the U20 players under his wing etc
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I'd put money on Covs still being well and truly around next season.  He's still A-League quality, I just suspect he'll have a little less time once we sign another starting forward.

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Interesting to hear Tony P on the radio this morning specifically mention going to Holland in relation to player recruitment. Rather than just a trip to Europe. As Frankie is not busy at the moment maybe he could stalk them around Europe?
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If Smeltz was injured would you feel confident playing Coveny and Felipe/Costa or whoever up front? I think signing another striker for next season is a priority.
Edit: Although I wouldn't feel so bad if we had Leo Bertos as an option.WellyT2008-01-22 11:20:05
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WellyT wrote:
If Smeltz was injured would you feel confident playing Coveny and Felipe/Costa or whoever up front? I think signing another striker for next season is a priority.
Edit: Although I wouldn't feel so bad if we had Leo Bertos as an option.
 
Yup. I wouldn't have any problems with Covs up front with Felipe or Costa

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I think what a lot of you are forgetting is that not every player in your squad is going to be in the starting 11 (duh).  You need good squad members to possibly cover a few positions and be there to cover injuries and suspensions.  The main thing for that being managing expectations.

 

In terms of defenders, Christie is actually a midfielder and as long as he is willing to be a squad member, often on the bench then I would keep him. 

 

Old, seeing as he is a young fulla should also not expect frequent game time, and in fact I�d suggest he wouldn�t have got much this year if Cleberson came through as well as if the Christie trial at RB worked.

 

Rees also might be happy to be a reserve seeing as all he�d be doing otherwise is heading back down to the VPL (or whatever it�s called), but otherwise he�d be the first defender I�d cull (if we do get 2 CB�s) as I think Old would offer more as the reserve, with his age and nationality.

 

So if we do get Durante and Sigmund as it sounds is fairly likely, you�ll have them plus Dodd in some good value competition for the CBs role which can only be good (and something the Phoenix have severely missed in their first year).  Also as I�ve mentioned before, Dodd is listed as a RB, so I wonder if he�s had experience there and he could possibly cover that.  He has tried to get forward a bit recently and hasn�t looked too bad so with the freedom that RB gives him he may be worth a shot there.

 

I think Lia will be alright at RB too (at least he has pace, but dives in a bit), but would still look to sign a specialist.

 

We�d also need cover for Lochhead at LB for when he�s away, injured or suspended.  Otherwise they�ll have to switch to 3-5-2 again and I don�t think that�s good for consistency.

 

Midfield has been our strong point, and the only place where there has been competition for places.  Obviously a lot depends on pending retirements (Johnson, Aloisi), but really we don�t need to acquire anyone (especially if we play with a 4-4-2).  Daniel, Brown, Filipe, Ferrante, Elrich, Lia and Christie, offer plenty of balance and with the likely signing of Bertos too, it is certainly an area we can rest easy about for the moment.

 

Up front, as has been mentioned, a bit will depend on how they see Coveny�s role.  If he is to play as back up to Smeltz and another striker (one of the major priorities, surely), then with Barbarouses and Draper showing promise too (and young so most likely happy to sit back and learn), there is no need for Brownlie.

 

In goal it�s a tough one.  I agree I�m not sure how confident I�d be of using Spoonley in a big match, if Moss was out, so we need to see more of him, but it really depends on Paston�s feelings on playing second fiddle.  If he�s happy to train and collect his pay check then no worries, keep him, but I�d be wanting gametime and I�m sure it�s pretty tough as a keeper, as you don�t even get substitute opportunities.  Moss is definitely A-League class so all you�re after is a reserve keeper.  Not worth going crazy over.

 

So this is how I see the squad panning out (or at least how I hope it pans out).

 

  1. Moss
  2. Paston
  3. Spoonley (y)
  4. Dodd
  5. Durante
  6. Sigmund
  7. Old (y)
  8. (A quality RB � don�t ya wish you had a database of players to specify a search on?!) (f � Europe/Asia)
  9. Lia
  10. Christie
  11. Lochhead
  12. (A reserve LB, young) (y)
  13. Brown
  14. Ferrante
  15. Elrich (not marquee � if doesn�t accept then release and keep Johnson)
  16. Daniel (f)
  17. Filipe (f)
  18. Bertos
  19. Smeltz
  20. Coveny
  21. Barbarouses (y)
  22. Draper (y)
  23. (A marquee quality, non ancient (max 30yrs) striker) � Phillips/Porter (f �Europe/Brazil?)

I think it provides the balance of starting, reserve, backup, youth and experience.  Obviously the signings are fairly important but I�ll leave that to the powers that be (satisfying my criteria of course!)

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The full squad size is 24 right?
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sanday wrote:
Interesting to hear Tony P on the radio this morning specifically mention going to Holland in relation to player recruitment. Rather than just a trip to Europe. As Frankie is not busy at the moment maybe he could stalk them around Europe?
 
That is interesting.......................Ivan Vicelich??    The defenders in the dutch league (Eredivisie) are pretty no-nonsense/ strong in the air types.
 
 Although it would be nice to have another Kiwi in the squad, i think we can do better than Ivan. I'd rather have Ivan 'aswell' as someone else rather than or someone else.
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Porter is not worth marquee status.
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I was just wondering about Danny Hay and whether he (and the Phoenix) would be interested in a one year deal. At the start of the season he expressed some interest if he didn't have to live in Wellington. His wife had just had a child and he didn't want to make her move. The kid will be a little older by the start of next season and this would be his last chance of playing at a high level. I think he is still good enough and would provide good leadership if Aloisi doesn't re-sign. Maybe an option if the other defender rumours don't come to anything.
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He's just too slow, I don't see him as anything better than what we already have...let alone what we needjames dean2008-01-22 14:28:44

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IMO Danny Hay is too slow for this level, he might have the nouse and leadership skills but i still think he will get stripped for a lack of pace.
 
Sigmund is a better bet, although siggy isnt as tall as Hay he has most if not all qualities to do well in the A-League , i think Sigmund is similar build to Newcastle centre back Jade North who seems to do well with the type of build he has.
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Fair enough.
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energy24.7 wrote:

I think what a lot of you are forgetting is that not every player in your squad is going to be in the starting 11 (duh).  You need good squad members to possibly cover a few positions and be there to cover injuries and suspensions.  The main thing for that being managing expectations.

 

In terms of defenders, Christie is actually a midfielder and as long as he is willing to be a squad member, often on the bench then I would keep him. 

 

Old, seeing as he is a young fulla should also not expect frequent game time, and in fact I�d suggest he wouldn�t have got much this year if Cleberson came through as well as if the Christie trial at RB worked.

 

Rees also might be happy to be a reserve seeing as all he�d be doing otherwise is heading back down to the VPL (or whatever it�s called), but otherwise he�d be the first defender I�d cull (if we do get 2 CB�s) as I think Old would offer more as the reserve, with his age and nationality.

 

So if we do get Durante and Sigmund as it sounds is fairly likely, you�ll have them plus Dodd in some good value competition for the CBs role which can only be good (and something the Phoenix have severely missed in their first year).  Also as I�ve mentioned before, Dodd is listed as a RB, so I wonder if he�s had experience there and he could possibly cover that.  He has tried to get forward a bit recently and hasn�t looked too bad so with the freedom that RB gives him he may be worth a shot there.

 

I think Lia will be alright at RB too (at least he has pace, but dives in a bit), but would still look to sign a specialist.

 

We�d also need cover for Lochhead at LB for when he�s away, injured or suspended.  Otherwise they�ll have to switch to 3-5-2 again and I don�t think that�s good for consistency.

 

Midfield has been our strong point, and the only place where there has been competition for places.  Obviously a lot depends on pending retirements (Johnson, Aloisi), but really we don�t need to acquire anyone (especially if we play with a 4-4-2).  Daniel, Brown, Filipe, Ferrante, Elrich, Lia and Christie, offer plenty of balance and with the likely signing of Bertos too, it is certainly an area we can rest easy about for the moment.

 

Up front, as has been mentioned, a bit will depend on how they see Coveny�s role.  If he is to play as back up to Smeltz and another striker (one of the major priorities, surely), then with Barbarouses and Draper showing promise too (and young so most likely happy to sit back and learn), there is no need for Brownlie.

 

In goal it�s a tough one.  I agree I�m not sure how confident I�d be of using Spoonley in a big match, if Moss was out, so we need to see more of him, but it really depends on Paston�s feelings on playing second fiddle.  If he�s happy to train and collect his pay check then no worries, keep him, but I�d be wanting gametime and I�m sure it�s pretty tough as a keeper, as you don�t even get substitute opportunities.  Moss is definitely A-League class so all you�re after is a reserve keeper.  Not worth going crazy over.

 

So this is how I see the squad panning out (or at least how I hope it pans out).

 

  1. Moss
  2. Paston
  3. Spoonley (y)
  4. Dodd
  5. Durante
  6. Sigmund
  7. Old (y)
  8. (A quality RB � don�t ya wish you had a database of players to specify a search on?!) (f � Europe/Asia)
  9. Lia
  10. Christie
  11. Lochhead
  12. (A reserve LB, young) (y)
  13. Brown
  14. Ferrante
  15. Elrich (not marquee � if doesn�t accept then release and keep Johnson)
  16. Daniel (f)
  17. Filipe (f)
  18. Bertos
  19. Smeltz
  20. Coveny
  21. Barbarouses (y)
  22. Draper (y)
  23. (A marquee quality, non ancient (max 30yrs) striker) � Phillips/Porter (f �Europe/Brazil?)

I think it provides the balance of starting, reserve, backup, youth and experience.  Obviously the signings are fairly important but I�ll leave that to the powers that be (satisfying my criteria of course!)



Quality post
signing 3 more players - LB possibly another youth???
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Ta, yeah i reckon another youth.  Someone from the NZFC.  Or I see the youth league is (almost) underway, might be worth seeing what's coming through there.
 
Full squad size is 23 I believe.  Though there was talk of that changing with the A-League bringing in the youth teams?
 
Re: Vicelich, they may not be in Holland to sign him but could certainly use his opinion on players in the league?
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True enough - Vicelich would be quality though - he was the stand out player in the recent All White prerformances - really held us togethewr at the back distributed well.
 
I think Cov's is on a 2 year deal so he'll be back.

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No Rumour, just an option (I'm bored so scanning Wiki) - Spase Dilevski is a RWB (even covers LB) who used to play for the Roar but moved overseas and according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spase_Dilevski) wants to come back to the A-League.
Anyone seen anything of him?  Worth signing?  He's young and was recruited by Tottenham at one stage so can't be too bad.
Get on to him Ricki - better he come here than Sydney or Gold Coast!
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I agree  Proak, Vicelich would be a good signing.
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I'd like to see more of him, hard to judge on performances on matches against the island nations. He is currently playing in the dutch second string which certainly isn't a great standard

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We could have said the same thing about Smeltz before he signed. How much did we see of him? Hard for us to pick and choose players. I'll leave that to the boss.
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It would be great to see Ivan at the club...even if it was just to bring all his experience home...Is covs athletic flick at the near post there for goal of the season voting?
 
I still would vote Elrichs goal...but I thought that covs goal was class...


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where exactly in europe are ricki and terry going
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jjjordan wrote:
where exactly in europe are ricki and terry going
This morning Tony P said Britain and Holland. when he said that I immediately thought Ivan.
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yea i must admit when i heard europe in general i immediately thought ivan. hollands an odd place to go if you didnt have some specific in mind

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Hard News wrote:

NZers are only foreign imports for an Aussie A-league side if they are playing in an AFC competition like the ACL.
Not true.Leo Bertos counts as a foreign player for Perth.� It was changed this season so the regular season squads align more closely with the Asian requirement.s


Mmmmm. . . must have missed that memo. I stand correct then, good points, well presented.
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holland and britian thats very specific what about the likes of spain portugal italy etc

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I expect this has been raised before, but, ready for the rebound, is that striker Benjamin Totori a possibility?

He seems to have the knack of finding the back of the net.

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since there going 2 holland i wonder if Jan Venegoor of Hesselink is keen 2 come down under
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jjjordan wrote:
since there going 2 holland i wonder if Jan Venegoor of Hesselink is keen 2 come down under


Unlikely I think, as he is an integral part of Celtic's strikeforce, (would cost a fortune too!)

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interesting, so Ricki must have learned that Brazil is not the one and only source of talent then!

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They are  also going to Africa to see you know who

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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oh cool

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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leo bertos has been released by perth... looks like hes coming home! terry just sign him!
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hepatitis wrote:
I expect this has been raised before, but, ready for the rebound, is that striker Benjamin Totori a possibility?

He seems to have the knack of finding the back of the net.



Who knows? He's a quality finisher and quick. After the CWC, some clubs have expressed interest in signing him up. He can score goals, but if he gets starved of goals, can he set up goals for others? It would be hard to ignore him if they can't get a better and proven striker. He would qualify for as one of the four foreign players if they get him.
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hepatitis wrote:
I expect this has been raised before, but, ready for the rebound, is that striker Benjamin Totori a possibility?

He seems to have the knack of finding the back of the net.



Who knows? He's a quality finisher and quick. After the CWC, some clubs have expressed interest in signing him up. He can score goals, but if he gets starved of goals, can he set up goals for others? It would be hard to ignore him if they can't get a better and proven striker. He would qualify for as one of the four foreign players if they get him.


Getting an NZFC player in the Phoenix would be great for the credibility for the former, justifying the NZFC as a good developmental route for future Phoenix players. Hopefully Costa and Draper won't be the last.
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robbwatson wrote:
Getting an NZFC player in the Phoenix would be great for the credibility for the former, justifying the NZFC as a good developmental route for future Phoenix players. Hopefully Costa and Draper won't be the last.
 
Ben Sigmund?   The Brazilian guy who's playing with Team Wellington???
Jag2008-01-23 07:55:16

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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