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Phoenix vs Fury 17/10/09 Match Thread

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nix always seem to go off the boil 10-20 mins after 1/2 time, by then it's too late.  And have a bad 2nd 1/2.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yeah maybe not so much protecting a lead as playing to try and kill them off.... we just eased off the accelerator....
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Are the players not fit enough to last 90 minutes? If not, why not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Theyre fit enough......


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bennie99 wrote:
How annoying are those so called 'expert analysts' Bosnich and Slater. We go wanting good analysis at half time and all they do is laugh and talk about how bad the fury were playing! then at the end of the game all they can say is that the goal should have stood if Mcbreen had scored! Waste of space, both of them. Backs up what I've been saying about just because you've been a great player than doesn't automatically make you a great analysis.
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Mike Cockill and Paul trimboli were pretty fair on both times though, I thought. Enjoy them both actually


You are quite right that even if you have been are good player you do not automatically make a good analysis. However, they were correct that the goal should have stood.
Firstly, Fury had the ball when the ref stopped the game-
nobody kicked the ball out. The ref should have had a dropped ball, but as he did not, the goal would have counted.
As to your comment about the Fury not playing well, I think that the Nix probably had their worst game for a while. Apart from the first 5 min. when we scored, it was a question of if we could hold on for then next 85 mins.

I watched two games today, and on the Nix performance last night they would have lost to all the teams.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
actually I think Manny gets forward better, and he doesn't give it away when he does go.
 
Overall I think Manny's been getting forward better than Lochhead this season.
 
Re Hearfield, he wasn't completely terrible. It's useful that he got some solid game time in an unfamiliar postion for him, just in case Manny gets injured later on. Ricki seems to be in the mood for rightback wildcards recently.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
After the result on the weekend, i believe it is time for Ricky to go. This last game has shown how out of his depth he really is. Ricky has once again shown that he is tactically inept. His subs were late and did not achieve much. It is time that the NIX gained the services of another coach. A guy who I think could do the job is Luciano. In the game at Palmy he made good subs and at the right time.
6 draws is not good enough. The team should and could have won at least 3 of those draws.
If we are going to qualify for the play-offs, we need to start winning or resign ourselves to 7 or 8 place on the ladder. 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
markho wrote:
After the result on the weekend, i believe it is time for Ricky to go. This last game has shown how out of his depth he really is. Ricky has once again shown that he is tactically inept. His subs were late and did not achieve much. It is time that the NIX gained the services of another coach. A guy who I think could do the job is Luciano. In the game at Palmy he made good subs and at the right time.
6 draws is not good enough. The team should and could have won at least 3 of those draws.
If we are going to qualify for the play-offs, we need to start winning or resign ourselves to 7 or 8 place on the ladder. 
 
 
    

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markho wrote:
After the result on the weekend, i believe it is time for Ricky to go. This last game has shown how out of his depth he really is. Ricky has once again shown that he is tactically inept. His subs were late and did not achieve much. It is time that the NIX gained the services of another coach. A guy who I think could do the job is Luciano. In the game at Palmy he made good subs and at the right time.
6 draws is not good enough. The team should and could have won at least 3 of those draws.
If we are going to qualify for the play-offs, we need to start winning or resign ourselves to 7 or 8 place on the ladder. 
Nice contradiction here.  So according to you RH is tactically inept, yet his tactics put us in a position to win 3 (i would say 4 or 5) of those 6 draws, and would have if your attcking players didn't have McBreen-esque finishing.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd like to see Johnny (Jackie) Chen start instead of Greenacre. I know Greenacre is a class import, but little johnny looked more like a striker trying to get in behind the defence, even if he was only on for a few minutes of play.

He got offsided a couple of times, which to me means at least he's trying to get up there.

Apologies if people disagree, but while Ifill has been really impressive to me with his ability to beat the defense and get quality ball into the area, Greenacre has always seemed a metre behind the play.

Let the little bugger run himself into the ground, and then bring on Greenacre fresh off the bench, like we used to do with Daniel, really step up the attack mid second half, when we usually seem to be running out of steam.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
not sure if I want tosee greenacre benched, but something certainly needs to change woth he and Ifill. It seems to me that Ifill is contolling the ball well and getting the crosses in but we either have noone in the box to meet them, or just greeacre - which doesn't work - when we do get the mids running onto the ball we get goals ala saturday night. Troubkle is its not often enough.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Forgive my arrogance but, Luciano is ?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
not sure if I want tosee greenacre benched, but something certainly needs to change woth he and Ifill.


A change would be benching Greenacre, and trying someone different to be there for Ifill's crosses. :P

I'm sure Ricki has tried different ideas with those two up the front already. We're not having problems atatcking, or getting quality ball into the area, but as you said having enough people in the box is key, and to me it's always looked like Greenacre gets there too late. Even Daniel is not in there as much as he used to be.

Another benefit, is it might make Greenacre a little more hungry to up his game and deliver the quality he was touted as having.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
timmymadden wrote:
Forgive my arrogance but, Luciano is ?
Trani - Ricki's Assistant
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ah, in that case then..

Markho, if Luciano Trani was that much better than Ricki then you'd think it'd be better on the park already, as I'm sure they're in constant communication.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Plus we cant have someone as our manager who doesn't even have a wiki page.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
markho wrote:
After the result on the weekend, i believe it is time for Ricky to go. This last game has shown how out of his depth he really is. Ricky has once again shown that he is tactically inept. His subs were late and did not achieve much. It is time that the NIX gained the services of another coach. A guy who I think could do the job is Luciano. In the game at Palmy he made good subs and at the right time.
6 draws is not good enough. The team should and could have won at least 3 of those draws.
If we are going to qualify for the play-offs, we need to start winning or resign ourselves to 7 or 8 place on the ladder. 


He made subs to give players a run, not win an a-league match.
This was a training run
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
Plus we cant have someone as our manager who doesn't even have a wiki page.


100% agree. Plus it's too much of a mouthful to chant "Luciano Trani's ... Yellow Army"

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
Plus we cant have someone as our manager who doesn't even have a wiki page.


... (thinking) ... considers creating wiki page for self ...
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
goldienz wrote:
I'd like to see Johnny (Jackie) Chen start instead of Greenacre. I know Greenacre is a class import, but little johnny looked more like a striker trying to get in behind the defence, even if he was only on for a few minutes of play.

He got offsided a couple of times, which to me means at least he's trying to get up there.

Apologies if people disagree, but while Ifill has been really impressive to me with his ability to beat the defense and get quality ball into the area, Greenacre has always seemed a metre behind the play.

Let the little bugger run himself into the ground, and then bring on Greenacre fresh off the bench, like we used to do with Daniel, really step up the attack mid second half, when we usually seem to be running out of steam.


Agreed! I think Greenacre is quality but hes just never where he needs to be... Let the young fella have a run.

oh yeah. and Sack Ricki!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
han308 wrote:
goldienz wrote:
I'd like to see Johnny (Jackie) Chen start instead of Greenacre. I know Greenacre is a class import, but little johnny looked more like a striker trying to get in behind the defence, even if he was only on for a few minutes of play.

He got offsided a couple of times, which to me means at least he's trying to get up there.

Apologies if people disagree, but while Ifill has been really impressive to me with his ability to beat the defense and get quality ball into the area, Greenacre has always seemed a metre behind the play.

Let the little bugger run himself into the ground, and then bring on Greenacre fresh off the bench, like we used to do with Daniel, really step up the attack mid second half, when we usually seem to be running out of steam.


Agreed! I think Greenacre is quality but hes just never where he needs to be... Let the young fella have a run.

oh yeah. and Sack Ricki!



Then again maybe the team should put the ball to where he is making his runs. You can't just keep crossing the ball with your eyes closed and moan about the striker not getting on the end of them. Greenacre must be frustrated at the tactics we're using, and Bertos is one of the worst offenders at not supplying him with decent ball (and for that matter not doing much with it himself).

 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I would actually be tempted to put Ifill on the wing now Daniel is injured and Chen and Greenacre up front

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm sure Costa would be more than happy to sit side line and wait for Chen to get out of puff too, he might not have to wait long.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah, he definately looks very, very short on fitness. I have a feeling he's always like that, though - perhaps isn't very good with his diet?

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:

Theyre fit enough......

 
So that being the case, why can't they play for 90 minutes? Play well that is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Zephyr wrote:

han308 wrote:

goldienz wrote:
I'd like to see Johnny (Jackie) Chen start instead of Greenacre. I know Greenacre is a class import, but little johnny looked more like a striker trying to get in behind the defence, even if he was only on for a few minutes of play.

He got offsided a couple of times, which to me means at least he's trying to get up there.

Apologies if people disagree, but while Ifill has been really impressive to me with his ability to beat the defense and get quality ball into the area, Greenacre has always seemed a metre behind the play.

Let the little bugger run himself into the ground, and then bring on Greenacre fresh off the bench, like we used to do with Daniel, really step up the attack mid second half, when we usually seem to be running out of steam.
Agreed! I think Greenacre is quality but hes just never where he needs to be... Let the young fella have a run. oh yeah. and Sack Ricki!
Then again maybe the team should put the ball to where he is making his runs. You can't just keep crossing the ball with your eyes closed and moan about the striker not getting on the end of them. Greenacre must be frustrated at the tactics we're using, and Bertos is one of the worst offenders at not supplying him with decent ball (and for that matter not doing much with it himself).�


You wouldn't happen to be a striker would you? Only a striker would suggest that the rest of the team need to do things when he wanted, not when the opportunities were there... :P

BTW.. i disagree with sacking Ricki. We're not losing, we're getting plenty of opportunities. Our forward just need to gel, and pull the trigger, rather than second guess when the shot will be good.goldienz2009-10-19 19:52:12

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Personally I don't think we are creating enough clear cut chances, as I've now said a few times. There is absolutely no cutting edge in the team and the only chances we seem to create come from crosses...never a through ball, or a one-two at the edge of the box or anything, never a rebound from a shot (i.e. Melbourne goal yesterday). Our attacks just seem to be pass, pass, pass, cross, hope someone gets a head on it.
 
That's fair enough at times, but how about a bit of variety?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well what surprises me is that Chen is on loan here. So why dont give him a decent chance..90min and then judge him. because if ricki will only put him on for just 10 min then its an expensive 10 min..if u get my drift. Loan from his club.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Who pays his wages? Would be interesting to know.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
markho wrote:
After the result on the weekend, i believe it is time for Ricky to go. This last game has shown how out of his depth he really is. Ricky has once again shown that he is tactically inept. His subs were late and did not achieve much. It is time that the NIX gained the services of another coach. A guy who I think could do the job is Luciano. In the game at Palmy he made good subs and at the right time.6 draws is not good enough. The team should and could have won at least 3 of those draws.If we are going to qualify for the play-offs, we need to start winning or resign ourselves to 7 or 8 place on the ladder.�


If the AWs beat Bahrain in the World Cup next month, do you still think Riki should go?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
goldienz wrote:


You wouldn't happen to be a striker would you? Only a striker would suggest that the rest of the team need to do things when he wanted, not when the opportunities were there... :P

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Well yes now you mention it, but no point putting a high ball across the front to a short striker now is there. Surely the job of the midfield is to find out what kind of delivery the striker wants. It simple suppier/customer relations, the striker being the customer in this case. Why you'd pump balls across to where none of your own team are is not something I could understand. Sure the good strikers make more of slim pickings but I can't recall any decent ball from Bertos, he does all the good lead up work and then squanders the opportunity. Kind of reminds me of Elrich.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i don't think the players we have can/will change their style. The biggest disappointment for me this season was the failure of Diego to make the grade. He was meant to be the midfield creator, controlling things from the centre of the field. i guess we just have to hope he comes right or that Fred can be recruited.
 
The guy I feel sorry for is Ifill. He has been tremendous. Full of creative energy. How many times has he seen his crosses fly across the front of goal unmet or brilliant set up work wasted by a blatant miss in front of goal(Ferrante, Brown, Daniel) or called back from a brillianr score coz of a dodgy offside And then in the last game his glancing header just shaves the far post.
 
Surely by the law of averages some of these chances must soon start going in. If there is such a thing as luck in football then we have been hugely unlucky at times. Surely some of these half chances must soon find the back of the net. It must be as frustrating for the players as it is for us watching!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Leggy wrote:
markho wrote:
After the result on the weekend, i believe it is time for Ricky to go. This last game has shown how out of his depth he really is. Ricky has once again shown that he is tactically inept. His subs were late and did not achieve much. It is time that the NIX gained the services of another coach. A guy who I think could do the job is Luciano. In the game at Palmy he made good subs and at the right time.6 draws is not good enough. The team should and could have won at least 3 of those draws.If we are going to qualify for the play-offs, we need to start winning or resign ourselves to 7 or 8 place on the ladder. 


If the AWs beat Bahrain in the World Cup next month, do you still think Riki should go?
 
Why would we base our opinions of what the Phoenix are doing on an All Whites game?
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I only saw bits and pieces of the game as I was out on sat night but can someone tell me how well Brockie did for NQL?? ... Im curious
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O, you might as well beat your head on a brick wall about that one, it's not the first time somebody has said something on similar lines and I doubt it will be the last either..
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
Yeah, he definately looks very, very short on fitness. I have a feeling he's always like that, though - perhaps isn't very good with his diet?


You're saying he ate all those pies?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Henandez and miller are both pretty awesome fat guys! we gotta give Chen a go to see if he can also join this awesome fat guys club :)

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Steve-O wrote:
Leggy wrote:
markho wrote:
After the result on the weekend, i believe it is time for Ricky to go. This last game has shown how out of his depth he really is. Ricky has once again shown that he is tactically inept. His subs were late and did not achieve much. It is time that the NIX gained the services of another coach. A guy who I think could do the job is Luciano. In the game at Palmy he made good subs and at the right time.6 draws is not good enough. The team should and could have won at least 3 of those draws.If we are going to qualify for the play-offs, we need to start winning or resign ourselves to 7 or 8 place on the ladder. 


If the AWs beat Bahrain in the World Cup next month, do you still think Riki should go?
 
Why would we base our opinions of what the Phoenix are doing on an All Whites game?
 
Why would we base what Sir Alex Ferguson could do if employed at the phoenix based on what he does at Manchester United?

Allegedly

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