comparatively, I really enjoyed the commentary from last night. Simon Hill knows his shit and harper just chimes in with random/ridiculous comments, even mark bosinch(?) had the odd interesting comment at half time, but they all know a lot more about football and the footballers than the sky team. yes they do love a little bit of Kewell in them, but hes there greatest ever player, if we have Sir Nelsen playing with nix im sure we would be the same. both of them were open and honest about the refereeing, and had a few crack/jokes at players ( eg: watson and his weight).
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You know how bad the refereeing is/was when the Australian commentators were very sympathetic towards the Phoenix. Espe ially for 80 minutes of a game.
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Is Kewell an obnoxious prick? Well yes he does come across as that. Have not met the bloke nor am I likely to ever do so. Is he a diving prick? Well again he probably is but he is certainly not alone in that and the same criticism or more for diving should also be levelled at our own Carlos and Kenny, both of whom have won us penalties this year with probably even less contact than Kewell had yesterday. As bad as the decision in my opinion was, at least Manny did touch him. The same can not be said for a Penalty Kenny won us earlier this season (i forget who it was against)
Is it the fault of the players? To a degree yes, as this is not playing the game in the spirit it certainly was intended and yes that sounds like "back in the old days stuff" but even back then people tried to con referees.
The fault for this lies with the referees imo and to a degree with FIFA. How many refs in the A league for instance have any experience playing the game beyond being last kid picked for a kick around when they were eight, which again in my opinion results in having someone in charge with little appreciation of the "feel" of a match. It does result in younger referees and the benefit of that is probably a group of refs who are fitter and manage to stay closer to the action but they often have little insight of what is happening in front of them.
The ability to look at incidents retrospectively needs to be enhanced, to sort out this diving. It drives me nuts and is a blight on the game that filters down to Junior levels. Perhaps coaches need to accept some responsibility for this. It is easy for them in theory to sanction their own players
I usually give refs the benefit of the doubt, but Williams was appalling last night ( and this is the Leagues most experienced referee with 135 matches under his belt). He just missed so much. It has obviously been said many times, we should have been 2-0 up playing against ten men for around 70 minutes yesterday. By sending off Siggy yesterday, he not only had a major impact on last nights game but it has also had a significant effect on this coming weeks game
The standard of refereeing is not just an A league issue. I am sure if you went on any Fan Forum of any league in the world, fans will be venting on some level
Putting on my cynical hat, perhaps the officials performance was not as incompetent as it appeared. he seemed to have a clear view of what should have been a Phoenix penalty. After all the Phoenix are the outsider. Is the A League really a level playing field?
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Is Kewell an obnoxious prick? Well yes he does come across as that. Have not met the bloke nor am I likely to ever do so. Is he a diving prick? Well again he probably is but he is certainly not alone in that and the same criticism or more for diving should also be levelled at our own Carlos and Kenny, both of whom have won us penalties this year with probably even less contact than Kewell had yesterday. As bad as the decision in my opinion was, at least Manny did touch him. The same can not be said for a Penalty Kenny won us earlier this season (i forget who it was against)
Is it the fault of the players? To a degree yes, as this is not playing the game in the spirit it certainly was intended and yes that sounds like "back in the old days stuff" but even back then people tried to con referees.
The fault for this lies with the referees imo and to a degree with FIFA. How many refs in the A league for instance have any experience playing the game beyond being last kid picked for a kick around when they were eight, which again in my opinion results in having someone in charge with little appreciation of the "feel" of a match. It does result in younger referees and the benefit of that is probably a group of refs who are fitter and manage to stay closer to the action but they often have little insight of what is happening in front of them.
The ability to look at incidents retrospectively needs to be enhanced, to sort out this diving. It drives me nuts and is a blight on the game that filters down to Junior levels. Perhaps coaches need to accept some responsibility for this. It is easy for them in theory to sanction their own players
I usually give refs the benefit of the doubt, but Williams was appalling last night ( and this is the Leagues most experienced referee with 135 matches under his belt). He just missed so much. It has obviously been said many times, we should have been 2-0 up playing against ten men for around 70 minutes yesterday. By sending off Siggy yesterday, he not only had a major impact on last nights game but it has also had a significant effect on this coming weeks game
The standard of refereeing is not just an A league issue. I am sure if you went on any Fan Forum of any league in the world, fans will be venting on some level
Putting on my cynical hat, perhaps the officials performance was not as incompetent as it appeared. he seemed to have a clear view of what should have been a Phoenix penalty. After all the Phoenix are the outsider. Is the A League really a level playing field?
I am not one of the "tin Foil Hat conspiracy brigade" but Yesterday was the first time I have thought "well maybe......"
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Am i the only one who thinks Harper is actually a good commentator? If im not listening to either one of Hill or Harper, i tend to just completely ignore the commentary all together. Last night was good, they both have enough to talk about relative to any given game without having to make shit up like Dewhurst does.
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Dunno if anybody's mentioned it, but Dewhurst was on fire on Twitter yesterday. he was giving it to Ben Williams big time!
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
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Dunno if anybody's mentioned it, but Dewhurst was on fire on Twitter yesterday. he was giving it to Ben Williams big time!
How good was it! For the first time ever I was agreeing with everything he was saying.
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Wow, that actually makes me kind of like the guy. Good on him.
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P.S. Still p*ssed off about this game. I mean, I've managed to stay pretty calm through the highs and lows of this season... but this was not only just blatantly bad refereeing but also completely screwed our run at the playoffs. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHH...
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Wonder what he would've said if he was commentating? Not sure why its OK to use those references on Twitter, but then silence yourself when it comes to calling the game ... (not that i disagree with what he said here, far from it). Would loved to have heard Harper or Hill call Ben Williams a muppet lol
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Wonder what he would've said if he was commentating? Not sure why its OK to use those references on Twitter, but then silence yourself when it comes to calling the game ... (not that i disagree with what he said here, far from it). Would loved to have heard Harper or Hill call Ben Williams a muppet lol
Probably because, during a call, he is employed by and representing SKY. I'm sure the FFA and A League would be all over SKY if he started ranting like that during a commentary! Would be gold, though
Alternatively, maybe he was just on the piss yesterday and lost the plot!
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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If he was on the piss, then let's provide him with free booze before ever Phoenix game. #YFSpendUp
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Wonder what he would've said if he was commentating? Not sure why its OK to use those references on Twitter, but then silence yourself when it comes to calling the game ... (not that i disagree with what he said here, far from it). Would loved to have heard Harper or Hill call Ben Williams a muppet lol
Probably because, during a call, he is employed by and representing SKY. I'm sure the FFA and A League would be all over SKY if he started ranting like that during a commentary! Would be gold, though
Alternatively, maybe he was just on the piss yesterday and lost the plot!
Yeah i understand that, but if i went on a rant in my spare time about my 'employers' like that I could well be without a job come Monday (at very least face disciplinary action), as I'm sure would be the case for most people across multiple industries. Theres been plenty of players fined, stood down, asked for a 'please explain' with outbursts on social media, so I would actually be surprised if he gets off with nothing.
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If he was on the piss, then let's provide him with free booze before ever Phoenix game. #YFSpendUp
Yeah dunno, would only be a matter of time until hes drinking up scrolling the forums, then YF would be on the receiving end after some of the Dewhurst comments on here haha
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Wonder what he would've said if he was commentating? Not sure why its OK to use those references on Twitter, but then silence yourself when it comes to calling the game ... (not that i disagree with what he said here, far from it). Would loved to have heard Harper or Hill call Ben Williams a muppet lol
Probably because, during a call, he is employed by and representing SKY. I'm sure the FFA and A League would be all over SKY if he started ranting like that during a commentary! Would be gold, though
Alternatively, maybe he was just on the piss yesterday and lost the plot!
Yeah i understand that, but if i went on a rant in my spare time about my 'employers' like that I could well be without a job come Monday (at very least face disciplinary action), as I'm sure would be the case for most people across multiple industries. Theres been plenty of players fined, stood down, asked for a 'please explain' with outbursts on social media, so I would actually be surprised if he gets off with nothing.
Yeah, but he wasn't ranting about his employers. The FFA/A League don't employ him, SKY do. As for anything else, depends on what kind of contract he's on with SKY I guess, may well be freelancing. They might rap his knuckles for it. Players and coaches are different because they are directly under the jurisdiction of the competition and the FFA. It was glorious to read, no matter what happens.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Getting excited about Dewhurst comments on Twitter ?? / Hmm..(lost for words)
The only good thing about that is he wasnt calling the game
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I felt we were in for it when Harry spat verbals at the linesman and the ref let him away with it. Cant imagine that happening with another player, esp if from our team. He was in Harrys pocket from then on.
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yeah so early on in the game and kewell is screaming for the assisstant to "WAKE UP!!!!" all Williams could do was gently suggest he plays on. Git!!! That games was 2-0 win to us easily, to be 1-0 within the first 10 and denied a red card and peno so early in the game is truely saddening.
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I... I... I can't believe it. The FFA admit that Ben Williams got it wrong. Still doesn't give us the extra two points.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9837328/FFA-admits-Phoenix-undone-by-refereeing
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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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I'd actually like to be there with Ben Williams watching a full replay and seeing how he reacts to his choices and decisions. Surely even he would have to admit he fucked up.
He'd have to leave his ego at the door though. And why does he always smile at you just before he gives you a card?
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What was the reason they gave Ernie that the Nix should not appeal the on-field decisions?
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
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Because there are so many it would clog up their time for weeks!
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I... I... I can't believe it. The FFA admit that Ben Williams got it wrong. Still doesn't give us the extra two points.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9837328/FFA-admits-Phoenix-undone-by-refereeing
means nothing, the fFA admit Williams got it wrong, is Kisnorbo punished after the match like he should be? NO! is williams stood down NO, cos he is convieniently one of 13 refs and oh he's away this weekend anyway. Match reviews a must, that way anything missed by the refs can be dealt with.....players will think twice before cheating if they know they'll cop a ban even if the ref misses it!
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Dunno if anybody's mentioned it, but Dewhurst was on fire on Twitter yesterday. he was giving it to Ben Williams big time!
How good was it! For the first time ever I was agreeing with everything he was saying.
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Cant get post match press conference from ernie, its stops midway through on A league web site, can anyone help
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Kewell had a good game not past it.
To be honest I have no problem with the way Kewell went down, yes it was soft but there was still contact and thats what good players do.
What annoys me was the fact the contact first occured outside the box, if it was a foul in the refs eyes it should have been just out side the box and not where Kewell fell.
The ref had a terrible game and everything would have been so different had kisnorbo been caught out and sent off. Terrible miss by all officials.
It was a tough day to support Wellington in general. I watched the ASBP final first at 1.30am UK hoping both teams from Wellington would win.
Anyway I thought the level of professionalism was better in the ASBP final, no diving or cheating, players getting up straight away. Complete opposite of what certain players on both teams got up to in the Nix - Heart game.
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Dunno if anybody's mewhyoned it, buripped hurst was on fire on Twitter yesterday. he was giving it to Ben Williams big time!
How good was it! For the first time ever I was agreeing with everything he was saying.
I thought the linesmen were spot on too. Maybe that was why "Bell End" Kewell riped into them thinking: "I brought you lot out before the game, why are you penalising me?"
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Cant get post match press conference from ernie, its stops midway through on A league web site, can anyone help
http://www.foxsports.com.au/video?v=you-get-what-you-fight-for_1226856337586&vc=207
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Not sure what the problem is with post match reviews. Ben Williams would 100% agree that he made a mistake with the handball on a review session. You should give the defender a red card and ban it for the game. Revisit Sigmund's, Berisha's red cards, and eventually let them play the next game. This review session could be very easy and quick, a little team with a head referee, they watch the footage and decide. With today's technology they don't even have to meet in person. Still games will be lost because you can't decide all things things afterwards, but there would be some justice and it would help the sport and the refs, too. Player can't get aways with dives, ellbows, etc. It's a shamble that a player (I heard he is a nice guy) breaks a cheek bone and there will be no sanctions for him.
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I don't see why you aren't allowed to review a second yellow, but you can review a straight red? You're going to get 1 of 3 decisions. 1, Red card stands. 2, inconclusive (red card stands). 3, red card withdrawn (first yellow still stands).
Is it really that hard??? I dont agree with reviewing EVERY yellow that gets handed out, (potentially 20+ per round), but how many people get sent off.... and of those how many are likely to want a review? While FIFA constantly talk the game up about investigating these new processes to help make the game fairer, all theyre doing is just that - talking. FFA have a good opportunity here to actually make a real difference in the world game and say 'Hey, we're doing this, come watch us and see how it works out'. Instead they're choosing to remain as silent and incompetent as the rest of the global organisation on the matter.
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Not sure what the problem is with post match reviews. Ben Williams would 100% agree that he made a mistake with the handball on a review session. You should give the defender a red card and ban it for the game. Revisit Sigmund's, Berisha's red cards, and eventually let them play the next game. This review session could be very easy and quick, a little team with a head referee, they watch the footage and decide. With today's technology they don't even have to meet in person. Still games will be lost because you can't decide all things things afterwards, but there would be some justice and it would help the sport and the refs, too. Player can't get aways with dives, ellbows, etc. It's a shamble that a player (I heard he is a nice guy) breaks a cheek bone and there will be no sanctions for him.
You are suggesting Berishas was not a red card? Wow.
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I'd actually like to be there with Ben Williams watching a full replay and seeing how he reacts to his choices and decisions. Surely even he would have to admit he fucked up.
He'd have to leave his ego at the door though. And why does he always smile at you just before he gives you a card?
Do you believe that refs like fucking up and having their names raked through the mud?
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Not sure what the problem is with post match reviews. Ben Williams would 100% agree that he made a mistake with the handball on a review session. You should give the defender a red card and ban it for the game. Revisit Sigmund's, Berisha's red cards, and eventually let them play the next game. This review session could be very easy and quick, a little team with a head referee, they watch the footage and decide. With today's technology they don't even have to meet in person. Still games will be lost because you can't decide all things things afterwards, but there would be some justice and it would help the sport and the refs, too. Player can't get aways with dives, ellbows, etc. It's a shamble that a player (I heard he is a nice guy) breaks a cheek bone and there will be no sanctions for him.
You are suggesting Berishas was not a red card? Wow.
Never! Commentators did. I would give him a lifelong ban, fuck fairness in that case!
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I'd actually like to be there with Ben Williams watching a full replay and seeing how he reacts to his choices and decisions. Surely even he would have to admit he fucked up.
He'd have to leave his ego at the door though. And why does he always smile at you just before he gives you a card?
replied to you in the Williams thread LG as I thought it belonged there.
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I'd actually like to be there with Ben Williams watching a full replay and seeing how he reacts to his choices and decisions. Surely even he would have to admit he fucked up.
He'd have to leave his ego at the door though. And why does he always smile at you just before he gives you a card?
Do you believe that refs like fucking up and having their names raked through the mud?
What has your point got to do with my comment? All I suggested was that Williams probably knows he made a pigs ear out of the game and that I would like to be there to hear his interpretation of events. Who knows, perhaps he can come up with some valid reasons
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not a bad point, refs must go through some review of the match, surely?!? I'd like to hear his rationale for each crucial decision - this is not just to crucify him for being a dick but also to understand his though process.
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I'm assuming the rationale would be
'I didn't see it'
And with the penalty
'There was contact, albeit a little soft'
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