Wellington Phoenix Men

R1 vs Newcastle Jets | 7pm Sun 11th Oct | 12pm Backbencher

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over 10 years ago

ConanTroutman wrote:

In fact, I just went and had a look at the match stats:

http://www.wellingtonphoenix.com/matchcentre/Welli...

9 of our shots came when we were losing the game, as opposed to 5 when scores were level (scores were level for about half the game in total). After 32 minutes the Jets had had 3 shots and scored a goal, and we had had only 1 shot. The Jets scored their second goal in the 69th minute and we didn't have a shot after that until the 85th minute. We then had 4 more shots in quick succession before the end of the game. 

So we might have had a lot more shots, but we had them when we were chasing the game, and a big spike in them right at the end when obviously we were throwing everything at them to try and get a point. It wasn't like we were constantly peppering the Jets goal throughout the game though.

Another Ozzie team allowed to foul us out of the game without the issuing of cards.

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over 10 years ago

ConanTroutman wrote:

... Sitting deep, ceding possession, and counterattacking is just as valid a way of playing football as Spanish tiki-taka ...

It's totally valid to play this kind of tactics, it often comes with destroying the game flow with fouls, simulating cramps and diving. I prefer not to watch those teams, it's just bad entertainment.

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over 10 years ago

number8 wrote:

ConanTroutman wrote:

... Sitting deep, ceding possession, and counterattacking is just as valid a way of playing football as Spanish tiki-taka ...

It's totally valid to play this kind of tactics, it often comes with destroying the game flow with fouls, simulating cramps and diving. I prefer not to watch those teams, it's just bad entertainment.

Yeah,  the teams who play that way  do often foul and simulate cramps and that's annoying as shark, but the blame is really on the refs for not adding enough extra time and for not issuing more cards for persistent infrininging or professional fouls. I don't think I agree that those tactics go hand in hand in with diving though - I think some of the worst offenders for diving are teams who play more attacking, possession based football. Barcelona spring to mind. 

Anyway, I think its a bit flattering that the Jets played like that against us. If we want to be one of the big boys we've got to be able to beat teams who play cynically against us - because that'll only happen more the better we get.

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over 10 years ago

Can see some players getting really pissed off if refs are going to continue to allow defenders to hold players back. He played advantage a couple of times but also missed a few. Don't get why teams are allowed to just keep fouling and cards just don't seem to be an option.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 10 years ago

Carney had 4 fouls, a headbutt (crappy but attempted) and three dives inside the first 45.  He should have been sent off before his goal but once again a junior ref just let them do it for 90 minutes.  

Newcastle and City did it to us all last season as well and we have no answer to it.

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over 10 years ago

Anyone else walk away from the game thinking, this must have been what it was like for the Aussie teams when they played the Nix 5 years ago?

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over 10 years ago

Oi Oi Edgecumbe wrote:

Fenton seemed to be labouring before being subbed. Is he going to be back for Perth?

He was really struggling. I assumed he had an injury as well, but haven't read anything.

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over 10 years ago

hlmphil wrote:

Anyone else walk away from the game thinking, this must have been what it was like for the Aussie teams when they played the Nix 5 years ago?

I don't think we were ever that bad, Siggy might have run through a few people, and there may have been a few desperate and late challenges - but the constant shirt pulling, tripping, and faking of cramps? Not us.

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over 10 years ago

hlmphil wrote:

Anyone else walk away from the game thinking, this must have been what it was like for the Aussie teams when they played the Nix 5 years ago?

No.

A fan is a fan.

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

hlmphil wrote:

Anyone else walk away from the game thinking, this must have been what it was like for the Aussie teams when they played the Nix 5 years ago?

I don't think we were ever that bad, Siggy might have run through a few people, and there may have been a few desperate and late challenges - but the constant shirt pulling, tripping, and faking of cramps? Not us.

Sorry, not in regards to the shirt pulling etc. More in regards to the parking 10 people behind the ball and hoping for Ifill to score something on the counter.

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over 10 years ago

Also realize many among the fever hate it but for getting the croud warned up I don't understand why ring of fire isn't used more. We have adopted a couple of other completely pointless songs/chants and I can never understand why  we haven't run with it.


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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

hlmphil wrote:

Oi Oi Edgecumbe wrote:

Fenton seemed to be labouring before being subbed. Is he going to be back for Perth?

He was really struggling. I assumed he had an injury as well, but haven't read anything.

According to Ernie the Jeff has been carrying an injury too. Don't think we'll see the best of the Jeff this season - not much of a pre season and niggly injuries weighing him down.

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over 10 years ago

number8 wrote:

ConanTroutman wrote:

... Sitting deep, ceding possession, and counterattacking is just as valid a way of playing football as Spanish tiki-taka ...

It's totally valid to play this kind of tactics, it often comes with destroying the game flow with fouls, simulating cramps and diving. I prefer not to watch those teams, it's just bad entertainment.

yeah but it means we can have lots of fun baiting the ref, who never picks up on any of those issues

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over 10 years ago

Do teams get fined for getting 6 or more yellows in a game? 

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over 10 years ago

ballane wrote:

Also realize many among the fever hate it but for getting the croud warned up I don't understand why ring of fire isn't used more. We have adopted a couple of other completely pointless songs/chants and I can never understand why  we haven't run with it.

Ring of Fire is good but the root cause of all Wellington Phoenix problems is not playing Phoenix City immediately before kick-off.

I have said this many times before and nothing ever gets done and I don't know why because it would be cool but more importantly it would appease Jah Rastafari, Haile Selaissie I, the King of Kings and Conquering Lion of Judah, which may or may not be important but would at least be worth a try I reckon.

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over 10 years ago

ballane wrote:

Also realize many among the fever hate it but for getting the croud warned up I don't understand why ring of fire isn't used more. We have adopted a couple of other completely pointless songs/chants and I can never understand why  we haven't run with it.

why do people hate it?  Seems like a very appropriate song, and with its slow pace it would be easy to get everyone singing to it.

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over 10 years ago

Drunk_Monk wrote:

ballane wrote:

Also realize many among the fever hate it but for getting the croud warned up I don't understand why ring of fire isn't used more. We have adopted a couple of other completely pointless songs/chants and I can never understand why  we haven't run with it.

why do people hate it?  Seems like a very appropriate song, and with its slow pace it would be easy to get everyone singing to it.

Not sure but there were some vocal opponents to its use in the early days,could never understand why it or a signature song from a Kiwi band was never adopted  as our anthem. Lets face its not as if some of the ones used overseas really have much relevance to the club they are associated with and if they do its really only something minor. So i dont understand the reluctance  by some to give it a decent go.

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over 10 years ago

We were discussin this in the last month and we couldn't think of the right kiwi track which is a shame as that would be preferred but Ring of Fire is a clear best option without an appropriate NZ track.

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over 10 years ago

I didn't realise people hated it? 

Anyone I've spoken to seemed to like it. 

Not entirely sure why it stopped playing. 


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over 10 years ago

Hard News wrote:

We were discussin this in the last month and we couldn't think of the right kiwi track which is a shame as that would be preferred but Ring of Fire is a clear best option without an appropriate NZ track.

Shame its taken this long though,can recall it being discussed at that first meeting at 4 Kings. And here we are still talking about it.

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over 10 years ago

Hard News wrote:

We were discussin this in the last month and we couldn't think of the right kiwi track which is a shame as that would be preferred but Ring of Fire is a clear best option without an appropriate NZ track.

I would vote for Home Again, classic Wellington song from a classic Wellington band.

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Hard News wrote:

We were discussin this in the last month and we couldn't think of the right kiwi track which is a shame as that would be preferred but Ring of Fire is a clear best option without an appropriate NZ track.

I would vote for Home Again, classic Wellington song from a classic Wellington band.

Would help to remind everyone about Daylights Savings next year as well!

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over 10 years ago
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over 10 years ago

ballane wrote:

Also realize many among the fever hate it but for getting the croud warned up I don't understand why ring of fire isn't used more. We have adopted a couple of other completely pointless songs/chants and I can never understand why  we haven't run with it.

We are running with it. Going to be played before the team walks out in every game this season. I would have led the singing of it and got people more involved on Sunday, but I was busy setting up tifo.


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over 10 years ago

Global Game wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Are Nix replays available online? If so, where would I find them? Cheers.

I don't think they are available to stream  but you could try https://acrossthetasman.com/forum.php

Its a-league torrents. Not sure if membership is open but I think  I can give you an invite. 

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over 10 years ago

asmodeus_82 wrote:

Global Game wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Are Nix replays available online? If so, where would I find them? Cheers.

I don't think they are available to stream  but you could try https://acrossthetasman.com/forum.php

Its a-league torrents. Not sure if membership is open but I think  I can give you an invite. 

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over 10 years ago

Me too

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Ryan wrote:

Hard News wrote:

We were discussin this in the last month and we couldn't think of the right kiwi track which is a shame as that would be preferred but Ring of Fire is a clear best option without an appropriate NZ track.

I would vote for Home Again, classic Wellington song from a classic Wellington band.

This would be a great choice


"Home Again"

Put your clock back for the winter
She asks when I'll be home again?
If I could see those eyes
I know they'd cut me down to size
You're not here, when I need you

So sit and wait
And bend and break
You rise and fall
Just you, that's all
I'm here, you're there
It don't mean I don't care
I'm so sorry I was miles away
It's been a day of tiny triumphs
It's been a week spent in despair
You can't send it down a phone line
I do my best, but i'm not there

So sleep and wake
And dream up your fate
And rise and fall
Watch you grow tall
I'm here you're there
But you should know I still love you
When I am miles away

I'll be home again



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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

I would vote for Home Again, classic Wellington song from a classic Wellington band.

You mean a classic Wellington band in the same way Kosta is a classic Wellington footballer?
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over 10 years ago

Not really something Joe blogs would have the words for I would  think. Needs to be some thing the average punter can get into rather than just the odd few.


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over 10 years ago

SurgeQld wrote:

Ryan wrote:

I would vote for Home Again, classic Wellington song from a classic Wellington band.

You mean a classic Wellington band in the same way Kosta is a classic Wellington footballer?

Jon Toogood lives in Wellington and commutes to Melbourne. They were a Wellington based band when that song was released.
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over 10 years ago

TV Ratings for the match -  http://www.throng.co.nz/2015/10/tv-ratings-11-october-2015/

Most watched on SKY Sport 2

  1. ITM Cup Rugby Highlights: 11,260 (11:00am – 11:25am)
  2. Hyundai A-League: 10,770 (7:00pm – 9:00pm)
  3. Golf Central Live From: 8,910 (9:30pm – 10:55pm)

Rest of Sky Sport channels ...

Most watched on SKY Sport 1

  1. RWC 2015 Live: 85,040 (4:45am – 6:40am)
  2. RWC 2015 Live: 84,930 (8:00am – 9:50am)
  3. RWC 2015 Post Game: 60,270 (9:50am – 10:05am)
  4. RWC 2015 Replay: 57,620 (10:05am – 12:00pm)
  5. RWC 2015 Post Game: 49,650 (6:40am – 6:55am)

Most watched on SKY Sport 3

  1. Darts World Grand Prix: 16,090 (8:30am – 10:30am)
  2. Boxing: 13,620 (2:00am – 3:40am)
  3. Fox Sports News: 12,160 (3:45am – 4:10am)
  4. RWC 2015 Rooftop Rugby: 12,160 (4:10am – 4:35am)
  5. UEFA Champs League Weekly: 10,940 (4:35am – 5:00am)

Most watched on SKY Sport 4

  1. Supercheap Auto Bathurst 1000: 151,690 (12:00pm – 7:45pm)
  2. Sports Extra: 32,290 (7:50pm – 7:55pm)
  3. Sports Extra: 24,460 (10:50am – 11:00am)
  4. Bathurst 1000 Warm Up: 23,100 (10:25am – 10:50am)
  5. Bathurst 1000 Top 10 Shoot Out: 23,050 (11:00am – 12:00pm)



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over 10 years ago

Not great..

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over 10 years ago

Something must be wrong with the data, because there's no way Fox Sports News at 3.45am could possible have got 3,000 more people watching it than the Nix game.


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over 10 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Something must be wrong with the data, because there's no way Fox Sports News at 3.45am could possible have got 3,000 more people watching it than the Nix game.

People switching onto the rugby early?


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over 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Something must be wrong with the data, because there's no way Fox Sports News at 3.45am could possible have got 3,000 more people watching it than the Nix game.

People switching onto the rugby early?

yeah, it's the exact same number of viewers as the show which directly followed it, which was RWC buildup.

In fact, all 5 on Sky Sport 3 were shown in the morning and 4 of them really early in the morning. Something definitely does not seem right about that.

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over 10 years ago

Don't they take the stats on what channel your decoder is set to?  So it doesn't mean that anyone watched a particular game.  Useless information.

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over 10 years ago

I thought it was a survey? 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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