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R16 vs Brisbane Roar | Sat 21st Jan | 7:35pm | RoF

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about 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

Mclaren owning us at the back. Wtf was Rossi's card for? Brisbane not pinged for some block offs or yellows for shirt tugs

We were lucky Tratt only got a yellow.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 9 years ago

kwlap wrote:

unlucky to lose it at the end. But roar were on top for most of the game. i think it showed that we can talk about how amazing our bench is (sorry podders) but there wasn't enough rotation of fresh energy in the starting 11 to get us across the line. 

thought the defenders overall were solid, bar dura's miss step. But it was the transition period and front there were we struggled again. Roly taking too many touches, Roy running straight and hard but not timing with his passers, also hes unable to win headers with CBs so kicking long to him is a wasted option. Kosta's poor option taking. 

Tratt and Weemac again were good to watch. Mossy kept out a few rockets. 

Any way, bring on the reds. 

I like your analysis.

A fan is a fan.

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about 9 years ago

Leggy wrote:

martinb wrote:

Mclaren owning us at the back. Wtf was Rossi's card for? Brisbane not pinged for some block offs or yellows for shirt tugs

We were lucky Tratt only got a yellow.

Yes that was a dreadful challenge.

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about 9 years ago

Agree - unlucky to lose like that, but the goal had been coming as we predictably got leggy, and they started running over us.

Brisbane were fresh and smart throughout and deserved to win.       

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about 9 years ago
Before this run of 3 home games began I would have been happy with a win (CCM) and two draws, so to get 6 points instead of 5 is a real bonus
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shame. Great game of football, credit to Brisbane they perhaps deserved it in the end. We didn't score, thought we should either have left smeltz on or replaced him with Watson. At times we we were great, the speed thru the midfield is  different league to under Ernie, kosta, roly, lia and Rodriguez were outstanding, at times sublime, but our delivery to the box let us down when we needed to find smeltz. Shame for durante at the end as he had a great match. So many positives, just not quite good enough.

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about 9 years ago

Leggy wrote:

martinb wrote:

Mclaren owning us at the back. Wtf was Rossi's card for? Brisbane not pinged for some block offs or yellows for shirt tugs

We were lucky Tratt only got a yellow.

I don't think so. No studs showing, not intent in the tackle.

Also, I notice Borello went in for a bouncing ball with his studs up and collected A-Rod in a  challenge not to dissimilar to the one Krishna got red carded and suspended. 

Mostly good reffing, but that stuff went against us.



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about 9 years ago · edited about 9 years ago · History

martinb wrote:

Leggy wrote:

martinb wrote:

Mclaren owning us at the back. Wtf was Rossi's card for? Brisbane not pinged for some block offs or yellows for shirt tugs

We were lucky Tratt only got a yellow.

I don't think so. No studs showing, not intent in the tackle.

Also, I notice Borello went in for a bouncing ball with his studs up and collected A-Rod in a  challenge not to dissimilar to the one Krishna got red carded and suspended. 

Mostly good reffing, but that stuff went against us.

I don't think  there was intent, but studs got him.

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about 9 years ago

Fenix wrote:

Great game of football.
really? I would say too much sugar, not enough starch.

A fan is a fan.

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about 9 years ago

We were a bit disjointed on attack again. Didn't quite create the chances.



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about 9 years ago

yellowsite wrote:

Fenix wrote:

Great game of football.
really? I would say too much sugar, not enough starch.

maybe I've seen too many Phoenix games! That was positive stuff from both teams, made it good to watch. Our decision making around the box let us down, tratt, roly, kosta spring to mind, but I'm sure there were others, just one decent ball in would have done it.
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about 9 years ago

Fenix wrote:

yellowsite wrote:

Fenix wrote:

Great game of football.
really? I would say too much sugar, not enough starch.

maybe I've seen too many Phoenix games! That was positive stuff from both teams, made it good to watch. Our decision making around the box let us down, tratt, roly, kosta spring to mind, but I'm sure there were others, just one decent ball in would have done it.

It was really tense. Heard one of the commentators compare it to an arm wrestle. At times we were really defending hard, at times it was just a midfield scrap and at times we had attacking momentum. Had to do much better with our space and chances.



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about 9 years ago
Good wrestle. Was clear that the team scored first will win. Roar better in the second half.
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about 9 years ago

number8 wrote:
Good wrestle. Was clear that the team scored first will win. Roar better in the second half.

Overall I think it was a good game if one looks with the hindsight of early season performances. It could have easily been a draw and I don't really agree that Brisbane win was somehow "deserved". It was neither deserved nor undeser4ved.  The goal is best described a "work related accident" by Dura and we simply need to move on from the disappointment of a late loss and focus on the next game.  There are good signs with the team development under Buckacre and I for one am happy to be proven wrong about their coaching.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 9 years ago

Was a very close game. 0-0 probably would've been fair, but it was always going to be decided by a defensive error and unfortunately Dura was the first to fall over.

a.haak

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about 9 years ago

Note to self from Danger Danger. Make a chant out of Take On Me. Tune.


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about 9 years ago

valeo wrote:

Was a very close game. 0-0 probably would've been fair, but it was always going to be decided by a defensive error and unfortunately Dura was the first to fall over.


This.

Both teams kept attacking so much I felt like one had to go in eventually.  It's judt you bad it happened with minutes to go.

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about 9 years ago

valeo wrote:

Was a very close game. 0-0 probably would've been fair, but it was always going to be decided by a defensive error and unfortunately Dura was the first to fall over.

I don't think it is fair to blame Dura. They used their subs better and Maclaren just had too much pace and skill. With no Lia in front was too much of an ask.



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about 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

valeo wrote:

Was a very close game. 0-0 probably would've been fair, but it was always going to be decided by a defensive error and unfortunately Dura was the first to fall over.

I don't think it is fair to blame Dura. They used their subs better and Maclaren just had too much pace and skill. With no Lia in front was too much of an ask.

If it was not Dura at fault, who was it.  Only mistake he made all game and I bet he will put his hand up and admit his error.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 9 years ago

Dura admitted that it was his fault after the game. Greenacre also blamed him in an indirect way.

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Fact is we were over run at that stage. The outcome was the most likely result given their superiority as the game neared its conclusion.

A fan is a fan.

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about 9 years ago

Anyone going to deny how vital Vinnie Lia is to the team after watching how we fell apart when he got subbed off last night?


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 9 years ago

I was worried before the match about how we would manage three games in a week and how we would be for the last 30 minutes. As it turned out we were overrun at the end. The loss of Lia really upset the equilibrium of the team because  along with taking Smeltz off resulted in quite a reshuffle positionally. You could see that guys were getting leggy and were just not tracking back anymore. Plus you add in Finkler who is slow and just doesnt defend much. It seemed just a matter of time before theb Roar were going to score.

Still it was a good week for the team. The defense looks a lot tighter now with Lia and A-Rod screening.....plus the wide guys are now tracking back properly. 

What was the crowd?

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about 9 years ago

I might go back to the previous games thread vs the victory . The reading is much more positive in that one 

I LOVE LAMP

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about 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Anyone going to deny how vital Vinnie Lia is to the team after watching how we fell apart when he got subbed off last night?

The sound of silence

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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about 9 years ago

I think we just looked tired after the last couple of games, but we still held our own for much of the game. There's still a problem scoring goals for us though - we've conceded the same as the 2 Melbourne teams in 2nd and 3rd on the table, but MC have scored 8 more than us and MV have scored 18 more, or twice as many as us. We haven't sorted out the best combination of our attackers/midfielders yet, or if we have we haven't been able to get them settled and playing together for a run of games because of tinkering with things due to injury or suspension or fatigue or whatever. There's also the issue that this squad was built by Ernie to play a style of football which just wasn't coming off and now Green Eggs and Ham are trying to implement a new style with a group of players not ideally suited to it. Overall there are definitely promising signs and we are looking like we are moving in the right direction. Still definitely a work in progress though.

One thing I did notice is that we seem to be dribbling a lot more now, and it looks like a deliberate tactic rather than just a result of running out of options to pass or anything. It kind of reflects the overall vibe that our players (most notably Roly, Kosta and WeeMac) seem to be enjoying themselves on the pitch in a way that they weren't doing under Ernie.

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about 9 years ago · edited about 9 years ago · History

patrick478 wrote:

Anyone going to deny how vital Vinnie Lia is to the team after watching how we fell apart when he got subbed off last night?

Coaches didn't really seem to adjust to it, or have a plan if it happened. No Ridenton, Rufer or Fox on the bench right? McG, Watson and Fink. 

I'm saying it wasn't Dura's fault because it was clear Mclaren was too quick for him and had the better of him, but we failed to stop the supply of ball to him, failed to use our subs better, failed to react to Vinnie's injury, failed to find scoring opportunities despite being top heavy with attacking talent. 

Sure the goal was a case of Dura failing to do his job, but the coaches and other players had also failed to do theirs too.

Watson should have been on much earlier. There was no midfield cover for Lia, unless wee mac played deep.

I thought the attack didn't get enough crosses fired low across the box. Tratt was one case that came to mind, shooting off his left foot with Smeltz and Krishna at the back stick. I don't think the attack isn't firing, but perhaps it was a) tiring and b) a little over confident after the great week we've had. 

Overall this week: goals for =4 goals against = 1

That's a good week guys!



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about 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Anyone going to deny how vital Vinnie Lia is to the team after watching how we fell apart when he got subbed off last night?

Coaches didn't really seem to adjust to it, or have a plan if it happened. No Ridenton, Rufer or Fox on the bench right? McG, Watson and Fink. 

I'm saying it wasn't Dura's fault because it was clear Mclaren was too quick for him and had the better of him, but we failed to stop the supply of ball to him, failed to use our subs better, failed to react to Vinnie's injury, failed to find scoring opportunities despite being top heavy with attacking talent. 

Sure the goal was a case of Dura failing to do his job, but the coaches and other players had also failed to do theirs too.

Watson should have been on much earlier. There was no midfield cover for Lia, unless wee mac played deep. N

I thought the attack didn't get enough crosses fired low across the box. Tratt was one case that came to mind, shooting off his left foot with Smeltz and Krishna at the back stick. I don't think the attack isn't firing, but perhaps it was a) tiring and b) a little over confident after the great week we've had. 

Overall this week: goals for =4 goals against = 1

That's a good week guys!

Not sure what more the coaches could have done to replace one of our most vital players? We'd probably still have had the same issues if any of the three you mentioned slotted in for Vinnie, because they aren't Vinnie.

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double post

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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 There's also the issue that this squad was built by Ernie to play a style of football which just wasn't coming off and now Green Eggs and Ham are trying to implement a new style with a group of players not ideally suited to it. Overall there are definitely promising signs and we are looking like we are moving in the right direction. Still definitely a work in progress though.

One thing I did notice is that we seem to be dribbling a lot more now, and it looks like a deliberate tactic rather than just a result of running out of options to pass or anything. It kind of reflects the overall vibe that our players (most notably Roly, Kosta and WeeMac) seem to be enjoying themselves on the pitch in a way that they weren't doing under Ernie.

Sorry for getting stuck into one sentence, but over the last however many seasons have we ever had a style suited for the players we had?  It would seem to be our perennial problem, and ours alone.  Never heard this bothering other teams.  

I agree with the rest of your post and we should be scoring more goals. Our poor scoring early this season is reflected in your statistics. However, the current setup on the park is conducive to us scoring more goals from now on; more so than early this season under Ernie. 

It just so happened that Brisbane are a good team but yet it was an even game overall. Brisbane were more fluid and more cohesive and looked more threatening from the start, then again they have been playing the same way for quite a while now and have it all sussed. Let's not forget we had our chances too but they did not have a defensive lapse like we did. That's just football.

I am keen to see how we perform now against Adelaide, away from home. I expect an improvement on our previous results this season (we have drawn in NZ and lost away). This would be another good measure of the overall improvement or otherwise under Des and Greenie.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 9 years ago

I have been a critic of Lia over the two previous seasons because he has been sub substandard. Since Ernie stood down he has contributed well to the team notwithstanding that his mobility is lacking and he gives away free kicks in dangerous areas.

But to suggest that he is some demi god is simply hyperbole

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about 9 years ago

whatever wrote:

I have been a critic of Lia over the two previous seasons because he has been sub substandard. Since Ernie stood down he has contributed well to the team notwithstanding that his mobility is lacking and he gives away free kicks in dangerous areas.

But to suggest that he is some demi god is simply hyperbole

not even a semi god

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about 9 years ago · edited about 9 years ago · History

whatever wrote:

I have been a critic of Lia over the two previous seasons because he has been sub substandard. Since Ernie stood down he has contributed well to the team notwithstanding that his mobility is lacking and he gives away free kicks in dangerous areas.

But to suggest that he is some demi god is simply hyperbole

I doubt many are calling him that, but this is a team game were structure and cohesion are vital. Clearly we we suffered when Lia and smeltz went off, the balance was tipped unfavourable. It's unfortunate that an error from durante makes it all seems worse, but as someone else pointed out, our subs were less effective than Brisbanes. I'd have left smeltz out there until he could no longer walk to be honest, and mcglinchey delivered some balls smeltz would have liked but we had no-one in there to appreciate them. 
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about 9 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

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 There's also the issue that this squad was built by Ernie to play a style of football which just wasn't coming off and now Green Eggs and Ham are trying to implement a new style with a group of players not ideally suited to it. Overall there are definitely promising signs and we are looking like we are moving in the right direction. Still definitely a work in progress though.

One thing I did notice is that we seem to be dribbling a lot more now, and it looks like a deliberate tactic rather than just a result of running out of options to pass or anything. It kind of reflects the overall vibe that our players (most notably Roly, Kosta and WeeMac) seem to be enjoying themselves on the pitch in a way that they weren't doing under Ernie.

Sorry for getting stuck into one sentence, but over the last however many seasons have we ever had a style suited for the players we had?  It would seem to be our perennial problem, and ours alone.  Never heard this bothering other teams.  

I agree with the rest of your post and would should be scoring more goals. Poor scoring early this season is reflected in your statistics. However, the current setup on the park is conducive to us scoring more goals; more so than before under Ernie's direction I believe. 

It just so happens that Brisbane are a good team and it was a very even game overall. Brisbane were more fluid and more cohesive but then again they have been playing the same way for quite a while now and have it all sussed.  I would be keen to see how we perform against Adelaide away from home. I expect an improvement against the team have drawn with in NZ and lost to, away. This would be a good measure of the overall improvement or otherwise under Des and Greenie.

That's all Ernie though. The season we finished 4th our squad was generally fit for purpose. We even signed Griffiths as a Plan B and that was working well until he busted his knee. The next year though we lost Burns, Boxall, Cunningham, as well as the Brockie/Griffiths spot, and maybe someone else as well, and signed Sarpong and f all else. Then that didn't work at all so at the end of last season he signed Kosta and Finkler, but we didn't have a role for Finkler in our setup because of WeeMac and Roly, and he never replaced Riera. And add to that the fact that the formation Ernie liked to play was a narrow diamond or box midfield, which is tactically hard to pull off and not a shape a lot of players are used to and that's why we have this situation now. I also get the feeling that Burns was one of those moments where everything aligned and he was spectacular for us in a new role but Ernie thought that he could replicate that with Sarpong and Kosta rather than just getting someone who was already the type of player we needed rather than a conversion project. Basically if I could sum up Ernie's reign over the last couple of years it would be that he overcomplicated everything.

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about 9 years ago

whatever wrote:

I have been a critic of Lia over the two previous seasons because he has been sub substandard. Since Ernie stood down he has contributed well to the team notwithstanding that his mobility is lacking and he gives away free kicks in dangerous areas.

But to suggest that he is some demi god is simply hyperbole

more demi god

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 9 years ago

Dunno who was officially man of match, but I would say first Vinnie, second Roly, third Mossy.

If Vinnie's hamstring was the issue I'd be guessing he won't be playing this coming week.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 9 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

whatever wrote:

I have been a critic of Lia over the two previous seasons because he has been sub substandard. Since Ernie stood down he has contributed well to the team notwithstanding that his mobility is lacking and he gives away free kicks in dangerous areas.

But to suggest that he is some demi god is simply hyperbole

more demi god

... or goddess. They're rare as hen's teeth nowadays.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 9 years ago

Anybody know what's happened to the Radio Sport week on demand? I wanted to have a listen to the always entertaining McHardy/Chotey commentary of the game but week on demand has been out of action for days now.

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about 9 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

whatever wrote:

I have been a critic of Lia over the two previous seasons because he has been sub substandard. Since Ernie stood down he has contributed well to the team notwithstanding that his mobility is lacking and he gives away free kicks in dangerous areas.

But to suggest that he is some demi god is simply hyperbole

more demi god

... or goddess. They're rare as hen's teeth nowadays.

;>)

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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