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about 8 years ago

Hard News wrote:

He's borked apparently. I reckon he's been borked all year.

Okay, I've edumicated meself via this thread and learned a new word - "bork"

I'm not sure that I'm any the wiser after looking up definitions online ("the sound Irish dogs make" etc.)

But the definitions here are some of the most entertaining I've ever seen:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bo...

I'm thinking you're intending the fourth meaning there "irreversibly damaged"?

Although some on this thread seem to agree with the US definition where it is a dictionary word meaning "US politics, slang:

to attack or defeat (a nominee or candidate for public office) unfairly through an organized campaign of harsh public criticism or vilification"

(In that they feel AK has been unfairly vilified on the Fever forums)

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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about 8 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

He's borked apparently. I reckon he's been borked all year.

Okay, I've edumicated meself via this thread and learned a new word - "bork"

I'm not sure that I'm any the wiser after looking up definitions online ("the sound Irish dogs make" etc.)

But the definitions here are some of the most entertaining I've ever seen:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bo...

I'm thinking you're intending the fourth meaning there "irreversibly damaged"?

Although some on this thread seem to agree with the US definition where it is a dictionary word meaning "US politics, slang:

to attack or defeat (a nominee or candidate for public office) unfairly through an organized campaign of harsh public criticism or vilification"

(In that they feel AK has been unfairly vilified on the Fever forums)

I took it as the political meaning but honestly it works with the fourth meaning too, his scoring boots definitely seem irreversibly damaged 
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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about 8 years ago

AK is not A League quality.

He's too slow, his touch is too heavy and his finishing is poor (minus a couple headers)

Yes he makes good runs, but he lacks the other qualities to make the most of them count.

Those saying, if only he had the service are talking nonsense, he's had chances, he's just butchered them.

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about 8 years ago

1-1 draw.

Mr Positive

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK is not A League quality.

He's too slow, his touch is too heavy and his finishing is poor (minus a couple headers)

Yes he makes good runs, but he lacks the other qualities to make the most of them count.

Those saying, if only he had the service are talking nonsense, he's had chances, he's just butchered them.

Scored 5 in 10 games for the Roar. Looked pretty damn good for us early on, not just scoring but setting up play too. Recently he has lost his way, but the whole damn team has. I mean look at Burns, we know he's a-league quality but he's playing much worse than AK. 

In one of the last two games, AK had a decent chance but shot straight into the side netting. I remember thinking at the time his expression and body language was definitely that of a striker whose confidence was shot. I believe that a good coach could bring him right.

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about 8 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK is not A League quality.

He's too slow, his touch is too heavy and his finishing is poor (minus a couple headers)

Yes he makes good runs, but he lacks the other qualities to make the most of them count.

Those saying, if only he had the service are talking nonsense, he's had chances, he's just butchered them.

Scored 5 in 10 games for the Roar. Looked pretty damn good for us early on, not just scoring but setting up play too. Recently he has lost his way, but the whole damn team has. I mean look at Burns, we know he's a-league quality but he's playing much worse than AK. 

In one of the last two games, AK had a decent chance but shot straight into the side netting. I remember thinking at the time his expression and body language was definitely that of a striker whose confidence was shot. I believe that a good coach could bring him right.

he's hard to assess, as he's scored some great goals, but he's been totori Watson standard lately.
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about 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK is not A League quality.

He's too slow, his touch is too heavy and his finishing is poor (minus a couple headers)

Yes he makes good runs, but he lacks the other qualities to make the most of them count.

Those saying, if only he had the service are talking nonsense, he's had chances, he's just butchered them.

lets run through the rest of the league's strikers from this year- Is he better than Bobo? of course not. Fornaroli or McCormack or Cahill? no. Berisha? no. O'Donovan or Nabbout? no. Riera? no. Maccarone? no. Keogh or Taggart? no. I don't know why anybody is saying we should keep him, would be such a disappointing and unambitious move to re-sign him
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK is not A League quality.

He's too slow, his touch is too heavy and his finishing is poor (minus a couple headers)

Yes he makes good runs, but he lacks the other qualities to make the most of them count.

Those saying, if only he had the service are talking nonsense, he's had chances, he's just butchered them.

lets run through the rest of the league's strikers from this year- Is he better than Bobo? of course not. Fornaroli or McCormack or Cahill? no. Berisha? no. O'Donovan or Nabbout? no. Riera? no. Maccarone? no. Keogh or Taggart? no. I don't know why anybody is saying we should keep him, would be such a disappointing and unambitious move to re-sign him

After 11 rounds - arguably before the team fell apart with the departure of Rado and Dario - AK was joint top of the goalscoring charts. When Victory was sharke at the start of the season Berisha was struggling to find the net. Keogh has barely scored for an impotent Perth Glory this year.

Up until that point, he had scored 12 goals in 21 A-league games. That's a pretty good record, almost a whole season worth of games, but because he's on a barren run all is forgotten and suddenly he's shark?

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about 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK is not A League quality.

He's too slow, his touch is too heavy and his finishing is poor (minus a couple headers)

Yes he makes good runs, but he lacks the other qualities to make the most of them count.

Those saying, if only he had the service are talking nonsense, he's had chances, he's just butchered them.

lets run through the rest of the league's strikers from this year- Is he better than Bobo? of course not. Fornaroli or McCormack or Cahill? no. Berisha? no. O'Donovan or Nabbout? no. Riera? no. Maccarone? no. Keogh or Taggart? no. I don't know why anybody is saying we should keep him, would be such a disappointing and unambitious move to re-sign him

Well on the golden boot standings he's better than most you listed.

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about 8 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK is not A League quality.

He's too slow, his touch is too heavy and his finishing is poor (minus a couple headers)

Yes he makes good runs, but he lacks the other qualities to make the most of them count.

Those saying, if only he had the service are talking nonsense, he's had chances, he's just butchered them.

Scored 5 in 10 games for the Roar. Looked pretty damn good for us early on, not just scoring but setting up play too. Recently he has lost his way, but the whole damn team has. I mean look at Burns, we know he's a-league quality but he's playing much worse than AK. 

In one of the last two games, AK had a decent chance but shot straight into the side netting. I remember thinking at the time his expression and body language was definitely that of a striker whose confidence was shot. I believe that a good coach could bring him right.

The 5 goals in 10 games at Roar was at a time the League was poorer - so maybe not a good marker. Also, why wasn't he resigned by the Roar, by memory they didn't replace him with a super star... is it perhaps they realised even then, that he wasn't good enough as an import to make the difference needed / wanted?

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about 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK is not A League quality.

He's too slow, his touch is too heavy and his finishing is poor (minus a couple headers)

Yes he makes good runs, but he lacks the other qualities to make the most of them count.

Those saying, if only he had the service are talking nonsense, he's had chances, he's just butchered them.

Scored 5 in 10 games for the Roar. Looked pretty damn good for us early on, not just scoring but setting up play too. Recently he has lost his way, but the whole damn team has. I mean look at Burns, we know he's a-league quality but he's playing much worse than AK. 

In one of the last two games, AK had a decent chance but shot straight into the side netting. I remember thinking at the time his expression and body language was definitely that of a striker whose confidence was shot. I believe that a good coach could bring him right.

The 5 goals in 10 games at Roar was at a time the League was poorer - so maybe not a good marker. Also, why wasn't he resigned by the Roar, by memory they didn't replace him with a super star... is it perhaps they realised even then, that he wasn't good enough as an import to make the difference needed / wanted?

They didn't re-sign him because they signed Jamie Mclaren, the a-league hasn't improved that much since 2015. There's plenty of players out there that are performing as well relative to the competition as they did three or four years ago.

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about 8 years ago

If he wasn't an import damn right you'd sign him but if you are aspirational you need a better player as an import striker (also one with less propensity to being borked).

How's my driving? - Whine here

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

Goals don't mean everything, stick Durante up top and he'd score a few headers too. He's not a star end of story

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

Hard News wrote:

If he wasn't an import damn right you'd sign him but if you are aspirational you need a better player as an import striker (also one with less propensity to being borked).

Plenty of teams have been 'aspirational' in the past and have brought in far worse players than AK. His goalscoring record puts him about the same level as Andy Keogh or Roy O'Donovan which other teams would be happy to have as their main strikers. I'd also have him around the same level as Maccarone and Riera (who has scored 4 goals from pens).

So people can name, what? 6 or 7 effective foreign strikers off the top of their heads? Let me remind everyone of all the 'failures' (i.e. with a worse record than AK) since the Nix started in the A-league.

Jorge
Adrian
Bruno Cazarine
Cristiano
Ney Fabiano
Fernando
Mário Jardel
Leandro
Maycon
Milson
Patrick
Reinaldo
Ricardinho
Alex Terra
Jiang Chen
Zhang Shuo
Milton Rodríguez
Solórzano
Dragičević
Dino Kresinger
Krunoslav Lovrek
Josip Tadić
Dyron Daal
Morten Nordstrand
Edmundo Zura
Edson Montaño
Robbie Fowler
Chris Greenacre
Emile Heskey
Francis Jeffers
John Sutton
Aleksandr Kokko
Juho Mäkelä
Maximilian Beister
Lloyd Owusu
Billy Mehmet
Richárd Vernes
Mensur Kurtiši
Federico Piovaccari
Michael Mifsud
Donny de Groot
Guyon Fernandez
Maceo Rigters
Gerald Sibon
Simon Lynch
Baba Diawara
Malick Mané
Branko Jelić
Ranko Despotović
Miloš Trifunović
Filip Hološko
Džengis Čavušević
Tomislav Mišura
Benjamin Totori
Sergi Guardiola
Suksomkit
Eugene Sseppuya
Ronald Vargas

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about 8 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK is not A League quality.

He's too slow, his touch is too heavy and his finishing is poor (minus a couple headers)

Yes he makes good runs, but he lacks the other qualities to make the most of them count.

Those saying, if only he had the service are talking nonsense, he's had chances, he's just butchered them.

lets run through the rest of the league's strikers from this year- Is he better than Bobo? of course not. Fornaroli or McCormack or Cahill? no. Berisha? no. O'Donovan or Nabbout? no. Riera? no. Maccarone? no. Keogh or Taggart? no. I don't know why anybody is saying we should keep him, would be such a disappointing and unambitious move to re-sign him

After 11 rounds - arguably before the team fell apart with the departure of Rado and Dario - AK was joint top of the goalscoring charts. When Victory was sharke at the start of the season Berisha was struggling to find the net. Keogh has barely scored for an impotent Perth Glory this year.

Up until that point, he had scored 12 goals in 21 A-league games. That's a pretty good record, almost a whole season worth of games, but because he's on a barren run all is forgotten and suddenly he's shark?

Currently out of the foreign HAL strikers, AK has the lowest pass completion rate, least amount of succesful passes and 2nd lowest shooting accuracy. Also has no assists which is as bad as McCormack and his defensive contribution is not great, only McCormack contributing less on defense.
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Bullion wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK is not A League quality.

He's too slow, his touch is too heavy and his finishing is poor (minus a couple headers)

Yes he makes good runs, but he lacks the other qualities to make the most of them count.

Those saying, if only he had the service are talking nonsense, he's had chances, he's just butchered them.

lets run through the rest of the league's strikers from this year- Is he better than Bobo? of course not. Fornaroli or McCormack or Cahill? no. Berisha? no. O'Donovan or Nabbout? no. Riera? no. Maccarone? no. Keogh or Taggart? no. I don't know why anybody is saying we should keep him, would be such a disappointing and unambitious move to re-sign him

After 11 rounds - arguably before the team fell apart with the departure of Rado and Dario - AK was joint top of the goalscoring charts. When Victory was sharke at the start of the season Berisha was struggling to find the net. Keogh has barely scored for an impotent Perth Glory this year.

Up until that point, he had scored 12 goals in 21 A-league games. That's a pretty good record, almost a whole season worth of games, but because he's on a barren run all is forgotten and suddenly he's shark?

Currently out of the foreign HAL strikers, AK has the lowest pass completion rate, least amount of succesful passes and 2nd lowest shooting accuracy. Also has no assists which is as bad as McCormack and his defensive contribution is not great, only McCormack contributing less on defense.

The team as a whole has the lowest pass completion rate and least number of successful passes in the entire competition. Hard to pin those stats down on AK.

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about 8 years ago

Does anyone know the stats of a football team winning their first game with a new manager? Seems to always happen. I believe last times Greenie took over we won. Nix at $4.20.......



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$20 on the Nux I reckon. WSW are better than us, but not amazing.

a.haak

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about 8 years ago

Greenie was quoted on radio this afternoon as saying he still wants to make the finals. What?

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about 8 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Would you rather he said 'We're well fudgeed, I'm not going to bother trying' ?

No, but I thought the finals this season were now an impossible target. Am I wrong? If they are, I'd have expected something like 'a lot of the boys will be playing for contracts next year so I'm sure they'll give it one hundred and ten percent (or somesuch). 

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about 8 years ago

scribbler wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Would you rather he said 'We're well fudgeed, I'm not going to bother trying' ?

No, but I thought the finals this season were now an impossible target. Am I wrong? If they are, I'd have expected something like 'a lot of the boys will be playing for contracts next year so I'm sure they'll give it one hundred and ten percent (or somesuch). 

Win every game remaining and we'll probably make the finals. Isn't it good that Greenie wants to win every game?

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 8 years ago

Wanting to win every game is a very good step to aim for. Being number 1 is the target this team really want to aim at next season. Finishing this season with a decent run would be a great stepping block  to getting fans interested again and to games.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Wanting to win every game is a very good step to aim for. Being number 1 is the target this team really want to aim at next season. Finishing this season with a decent run would be a great stepping block  to getting fans interested again and to games.

If we were to win the next 4/5 games that could tell me that the players were not giving 100% in the past, and that would be a worry.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 8 years ago

will greenie return to the 4-1-2-1-2 often used under merrick? i sort of hope so because seeing krishna and burns up front and wide could be pretty awesome

360footballnews.com

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djtim3000 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

If he wasn't an import damn right you'd sign him but if you are aspirational you need a better player as an import striker (also one with less propensity to being borked).

Plenty of teams have been 'aspirational' in the past and have brought in far worse players than AK. His goalscoring record puts him about the same level as Andy Keogh or Roy O'Donovan which other teams would be happy to have as their main strikers. I'd also have him around the same level as Maccarone and Riera (who has scored 4 goals from pens).

So people can name, what? 6 or 7 effective foreign strikers off the top of their heads? Let me remind everyone of all the 'failures' (i.e. with a worse record than AK) since the Nix started in the A-league.

Jorge
Adrian
Bruno Cazarine
Cristiano
Ney Fabiano
Fernando
Mário Jardel
Leandro
Maycon
Milson
Patrick
Reinaldo
Ricardinho
Alex Terra
Jiang Chen
Zhang Shuo
Milton Rodríguez
Solórzano
Dragičević
Dino Kresinger
Krunoslav Lovrek
Josip Tadić
Dyron Daal
Morten Nordstrand
Edmundo Zura
Edson Montaño
Robbie Fowler
Chris Greenacre
Emile Heskey
Francis Jeffers
John Sutton
Aleksandr Kokko
Juho Mäkelä
Maximilian Beister
Lloyd Owusu
Billy Mehmet
Richárd Vernes
Mensur Kurtiši
Federico Piovaccari
Michael Mifsud
Donny de Groot
Guyon Fernandez
Maceo Rigters
Gerald Sibon
Simon Lynch
Baba Diawara
Malick Mané
Branko Jelić
Ranko Despotović
Miloš Trifunović
Filip Hološko
Džengis Čavušević
Tomislav Mišura
Benjamin Totori
Sergi Guardiola
Suksomkit
Eugene Sseppuya
Ronald Vargas

No way dude

I thought he was great, terrific work rate off the ball, poacher who scored a few good goals. never let us down imo

:admittedly he did score at a lesser rate than AK

:so far

                                                                        COYN    

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about 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

So why no Patterson... injured or not rated?

This season has been so crap I just find it so hard to even know what to care about now, i seem to go from one feeling of disappointment to the next. 

has a virus - which is why parkhouse is in. I'd expect he'll be back once well.

I think we still have a mathematical chance to make the finals but we need to win everything well.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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theprof wrote:

[quote=MetalLegNZ]

So why no Patterson... injured or not rated?

This season has been so crap I just find it so hard to even know what to care about now, i seem to go from one feeling of disappointment to the next. 

[/quote]

has a virus - which is why parkhouse is in. I'd expect he'll be back once well.

I think we still have a mathematical chance to make the finals but we need to win everything well.

I think that is the same reason why Rossi is back in the squad - Dura may miss it if his flu gets worse.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

All right Gameday

COYN

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about 8 years ago

Leggy wrote:

If we were to win the next 4/5 games that could tell me that the players were not giving 100% in the past, and that would be a worry.

I would say that would probably be a fair call, if DK was as crappy a man-manager as rumoured. Personal pride can only motivate you so much when you know the consequences of a win will be your hated boss looking good.


Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



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about 8 years ago

Waiting to see if Burnsy actually gets his mojo back tonight. Fingers crossed.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 8 years ago

Waiting to see if Burnsy actually gets his mojo back tonight. Fingers crossed.



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nufc_nz wrote:

Waiting to see if Burnsy actually gets his mojo back tonight. Fingers crossed.

That's "Flares" not "Flares"

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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about 8 years ago

Waiting to see if Burnsy actually gets his mojo back tonight. Fingers crossed.

Yes...well due

                                                                        COYN    

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Leggy wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Wanting to win every game is a very good step to aim for. Being number 1 is the target this team really want to aim at next season. Finishing this season with a decent run would be a great stepping block  to getting fans interested again and to games.

[/quote]

If we were to win the next 4/5 games that could tell me that the players were not giving 100% in the past, and that would be a worry.

Or the tactics were different, or the coach was a better motivator, or or

[quote=Oi Oi Edgecumbe]

Waiting to see if Burnsy actually gets his mojo back tonight. Fingers crossed.

He's only ever had one and a half "great" seasons in the A-League. Perhaps his mojo was never really there.

a.haak

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about 8 years ago

So, we win tonight, RBB set off flares, we gain 3 points, WSW lose 3, Dare to dream again? 

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about 8 years ago

we're gonna win the league 

Founder

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Being forced to go to the local NPL match tonight. If Wellington win and Olympic lose, I'm going to lose my shark.

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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about 8 years ago

HZA wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

If he wasn't an import damn right you'd sign him but if you are aspirational you need a better player as an import striker (also one with less propensity to being borked).

Plenty of teams have been 'aspirational' in the past and have brought in far worse players than AK. His goalscoring record puts him about the same level as Andy Keogh or Roy O'Donovan which other teams would be happy to have as their main strikers. I'd also have him around the same level as Maccarone and Riera (who has scored 4 goals from pens).

So people can name, what? 6 or 7 effective foreign strikers off the top of their heads? Let me remind everyone of all the 'failures' (i.e. with a worse record than AK) since the Nix started in the A-league.


Chris Greenacre

No way dude

I thought he was great, terrific work rate off the ball, poacher who scored a few good goals. never let us down imo

:admittedly he did score at a lesser rate than AK

:so far

Honestly it pains me to have Greenacre in the list, he is actually my all time favourite Nix player!

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about 8 years ago

Do we have the final squad for tonight yet? Meaning, who the two to be dropped are.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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