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R23 V Sydney | Sunday 29th March | 5:00pm | RoF

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almost 11 years ago

Does anyone think that is actually going to happen? That Ernie is going to leave Hicks on the bench to start a complete rookie from outside the 23 squad at FB? That he is that far out of his fudgeing mind to go "Hmmm, I think I'll leave my handy squad man Hicks on the bench that has ate, slept and shark this pro environment thing every day over the last 2 years to start a weenix player that will pretty much play the majority of the game at FB and is most likely going to be a teenager that is not accustomed to the pace of the HAL".

Really? I mean, seriously????

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 11 years ago

Ernie would need balls like watermelons to play a kid at fullback. Get hicks in at Lb

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almost 11 years ago

f.barisi wrote:

Trollin' much???

As opposed to your "I don't know who, just as long as it isn't Lia" ?

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almost 11 years ago

Reckon Merrick will try keep midfield as settled as possible. Hicks to plug a gap at left back?

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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Reckon Merrick will try keep midfield as settled as possible.

Everything we have done has been based around winning the midfield battle and overloading there to do so. I agree, if at all possible Ernie will keep the midfield as is.


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almost 11 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

f.barisi wrote:

Megaloz Mr Vadar, you grumpy old cnut!   I think Ernie is on your wavelength tho, he'll be reluctant to bring a someone totally new into the starting line up.

your hatred of Vinnie must be bloody hard to swallow this season.

The loss of the All Whites and injuries leaves us short on experience yet you would rather throw a young débutant in against a fellow title contender as opposed to a player with 150 appearances in the form of his life? Sure he has limitations But he is one of our most experienced players and at a time when we will be stretched that experience  is invaluable

I agree, I really don't see much of an issue with Lia at right back. Not an ideal replacement I admit but would do a job for a game. As would Hicks at LB too possibly. Merrick wont want to break up the midfield too much, so surely Riera/A Rod/Hicks or Riera/A Rod/Lia are best options. 

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almost 11 years ago

bwtcf wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Reckon Merrick will try keep midfield as settled as possible.

Everything we have done has been based around winning the midfield battle and overloading there to do so. I agree, if at all possible Ernie will keep the midfield as is.

Yep agree totally. For this reason I think suggestions of moving Riera are slightly ridiculous.... Hicks at LB a real possibility then. 

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almost 11 years ago

Hudson should call up Smeltz for sharks and giggles. And because he'll probably fudgeing score against us..

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almost 11 years ago

We have 3 u20 spots to fill next year.

Play a 18 year old and see if he has the potential for one of these spots. We are never going to know if our youngest have the potential to step up if they don't get given a chance.

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almost 11 years ago

I think the idea of playing A-rod at RB has merit if you don't want to change the midfield. He's been one of our best players consistently this season and can tackle well, reads the game well, and is unlikely to cough up possession in dangerous places. Would rather that than Hicks at LB to be honest - no slight on Hicks but he's not as good as Alex.

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almost 11 years ago

bwtcf wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Reckon Merrick will try keep midfield as settled as possible.

Everything we have done has been based around winning the midfield battle and overloading there to do so. I agree, if at all possible Ernie will keep the midfield as is.

Yup and that is why I can see Rierra, Roly and Rodriguez in the midfield with Hicks in to replace McGlinchey, with Krishna and Griffiths to replace Burns, Giving a back four of Lia, Siggy Dura and Manny.  Hicks has played that role before and I think it just gives us the starting line up with the least disruption. A-Rod can play in front of Lia which will provide pretty solid cover, for Vinnie, and Muscat to  play the higher of the two FB's

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almost 11 years ago

Lia's (lack of) pace would be an issue against Ibini.

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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Lia's (lack of) pace would be an issue against Ibini.

Yup a potential problem no doubt, hence Rodriguez playing in front.

As an aside, doesn't Ibini normally play on the Right hand side of the Sydney attack

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almost 11 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

We have 3 u20 spots to fill next year.

Play a 18 year old and see if he has the potential for one of these spots. We are never going to know if our youngest have the potential to step up if they don't get given a chance.

With due respect to the Phoenix and all the structures they have put in place, they will know cause the filters are already in place via the academy, then Weenix in the ASBP and then training with the 1st team. Its a sure bet that if you fail at one of those levels, you wont be getting a tap on the shoulder for a contract. Its primarily why DiMairos and Blakes names have been mentioned cause they have been performing at one of those levels (along with Stevens). The Phoenix will have identified a small pool of those players to pick for u20 spots for next year already I suspect rather than wait until June and go 'Right, who is next?'. At the very least those players will have been told that they are being watched with an eye for the future and feedback on how they are going relative to that.

Throwing them in the deep end is not the answer at all but I do get what you are saying. I think they need to prove it on the training park FIRST not just 'Here's a shirt son, way you go'.

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almost 11 years ago

TomWasBlue wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Reckon Merrick will try keep midfield as settled as possible.

Everything we have done has been based around winning the midfield battle and overloading there to do so. I agree, if at all possible Ernie will keep the midfield as is.

Yep agree totally. For this reason I think suggestions of moving Riera are slightly ridiculous.... Hicks at LB a real possibility then. 

I suggested that but more as a 'here are all the options they have available to them in the 1st team' because of the natural fit of some of the pieces and also bearing in mind whom Sydney are missing too. I don't think its a realistic option because he is the form defensive screener of the comp most weeks so you are right, its ridiculous. However, the 2 most obvious ones to me (Lia and then Hicks) some others think are outlandish and a teen from the weenix should get a trot so there you go.

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almost 11 years ago

My bet is Moss
Lia     Siggy  Dura   Manny
              Riera
    A-Rod        Roly
                Hicks
Krish                    Griff

Bench: Italiano, Blake/Tam Rufer Ridenton etc

No doubt if Lia is struggling Ernie may make a change even before half time to sub Lia/sub Hicks and put Lia in the midfield. Best of both worlds.
P.S any reason we can't call up Shaun Timmins on an injury replacement and play 3 at the back? We'd certainly win the midfield then!

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Jeff Vader wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

We have 3 u20 spots to fill next year.

Play a 18 year old and see if he has the potential for one of these spots. We are never going to know if our youngest have the potential to step up if they don't get given a chance.

With due respect to the Phoenix and all the structures they have put in place, they will know cause the filters are already in place via the academy, then Weenix in the ASBP and then training with the 1st team. Its a sure bet that if you fail at one of those levels, you wont be getting a tap on the shoulder for a contract. Its primarily why DiMairos and Blakes names have been mentioned cause they have been performing at one of those levels (along with Stevens). The Phoenix will have identified a small pool of those players to pick for u20 spots for next year already I suspect rather than wait until June and go 'Right, who is next?'. At the very least those players will have been told that they are being watched with an eye for the future and feedback on how they are going relative to that.

Throwing them in the deep end is not the answer at all but I do get what you are saying. I think they need to prove it on the training park FIRST not just 'Here's a shirt son, way you go'.



Agree with this, players need to play time off the bench to acclimatise to the league before making a full 90min debut let alone against one of the best teams in the league
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almost 11 years ago

Yeah. If this was a CCM, Newcastle or WSW, you may be inclined to take that risk more because the relative strength of opponent. Sydney have come back strong after the Asian Cup break so not one where you roll the dice for chance and say 'fudge it'

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almost 11 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Lia's (lack of) pace would be an issue against Ibini.

Yup a potential problem no doubt, hence Rodriguez playing in front.

As an aside, doesn't Ibini normally play on the Right hand side of the Sydney attack

Pretty sure Arnie would see Lia at RB and switch Ibini over.

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almost 11 years ago

I have real worries about Lia's pace (or lack thereof) at RB. Our backline is already vulnerable to speed, and this would make it worse. He has proven himself this year to be an effective deep midfield option, but that is really about it in terms of positions for him IMO.

Riera could play there, but agree that it would be dangerous to break up the midfield that is working so well. I guess Hicks is a makeshift option that I hadn't though about.

Hence why I think that Ernie might try one of the young guys there. Don't forget that when injuries forced Ernie to try a few of the young guys last year (Ridenton, Rufer, Boyd) they didn't look completely out of their depth. They got shown up on occasions sure, but showed nice touches as well.

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almost 11 years ago

hlmphil wrote:

I have real worries about Lia's pace (or lack thereof) at RB. Our backline is already vulnerable to speed, and this would make it worse. He has proven himself this year to be an effective deep midfield option, but that is really about it in terms of positions for him IMO.

Riera could play there, but agree that it would be dangerous to break up the midfield that is working so well. I guess Hicks is a makeshift option that I hadn't though about.

Hence why I think that Ernie might try one of the young guys there. Don't forget that when injuries forced Ernie to try a few of the young guys last year (Ridenton, Rufer, Boyd) they didn't look completely out of their depth. They got shown up on occasions sure, but showed nice touches as well.

Riera is honestly no faster. He's good on the ball, and at finding space to receive it, but when hes back tracking to chase a player down 9 times out of 10 hes done for pace.

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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Lia's (lack of) pace would be an issue against Ibini.

Yup a potential problem no doubt, hence Rodriguez playing in front.

As an aside, doesn't Ibini normally play on the Right hand side of the Sydney attack

Pretty sure Arnie would see Lia at RB and switch Ibini over.

Definitely a potential problem, no doubt about that but , for me, if you do some sort of SWOT analysis or the like, Lia at Right Back is the option with the least disruption to the squad as a whole. 

While Hicks could probably "plug"  (ex plumber reference!) a hole there, he has played pretty well all his games further forward for us.

An interesting conundrum for Ernie, but one thing is for sure, he would have been scheming on something from the day the All Whites squad was announced

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almost 11 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

hlmphil wrote:

I have real worries about Lia's pace (or lack thereof) at RB. Our backline is already vulnerable to speed, and this would make it worse. He has proven himself this year to be an effective deep midfield option, but that is really about it in terms of positions for him IMO.

Riera could play there, but agree that it would be dangerous to break up the midfield that is working so well. I guess Hicks is a makeshift option that I hadn't though about.

Hence why I think that Ernie might try one of the young guys there. Don't forget that when injuries forced Ernie to try a few of the young guys last year (Ridenton, Rufer, Boyd) they didn't look completely out of their depth. They got shown up on occasions sure, but showed nice touches as well.

Riera is honestly no faster. He's good on the ball, and at finding space to receive it, but when hes back tracking to chase a player down 9 times out of 10 hes done for pace.

Rodriguez too. He never seems to get above a jog (and an awkward looking one at that), but he seems to get around the track ok so hey...

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almost 11 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

TomWasBlue wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Reckon Merrick will try keep midfield as settled as possible.

Everything we have done has been based around winning the midfield battle and overloading there to do so. I agree, if at all possible Ernie will keep the midfield as is.

Yep agree totally. For this reason I think suggestions of moving Riera are slightly ridiculous.... Hicks at LB a real possibility then. 

I suggested that but more as a 'here are all the options they have available to them in the 1st team' because of the natural fit of some of the pieces and also bearing in mind whom Sydney are missing too. I don't think its a realistic option because he is the form defensive screener of the comp most weeks so you are right, its ridiculous. However, the 2 most obvious ones to me (Lia and then Hicks) some others think are outlandish and a teen from the weenix should get a trot so there you go.

Ah I see, and yeah I definitely agree, either Lia or Hicks most likely, with a youth player probably a long shot. Its actually a pretty hard one to call from a fans perspective.

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almost 11 years ago

Sydey haven't lost away from home this season, is that correct?

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almost 11 years ago

Sydey haven't lost away from home this season, is that correct?

Yup

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almost 11 years ago

you can't run around vinnie if he's taken you out at the knees  ;-) in all seriousness though I have confidence in lia. He's got street smarts as

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almost 11 years ago

I think A Rod might have a higher chance of being put in there at fullback. He is faster when he puts on the pace (As he has done a couple of times dropping back and defending), He has brilliant positional play for getting out from the back AND Ernie likes to stick to things that are working which for the past two weeks is Roly, Riera, Lia in the middle, they did great the last two weeks and I don't think he will change something like that that works.

I personally think this is the safest option as well as Lia at fullback scares me through his lack of pass and his passing brain farts that occur occasionally (Although not recently so he is probably due for one)

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almost 11 years ago

Boyd injured or just at the movies?

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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

Away with the AWs so will probably be watching movies in his hotel room.

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almost 11 years ago

Sydey haven't lost away from home this season, is that correct?

Just another record to break.

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almost 11 years ago

Duh

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almost 11 years ago

We've scored 15 goals in last 15 minutes of games. Roar have scored 10.

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almost 11 years ago

RoriM6 wrote:

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Lia at fullback scares me through his lack of pass and his passing brain farts that occur occasionally (Although not recently so he is probably due for one)

Talk about damning him with faint praise.

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almost 11 years ago

Sydey haven't lost away from home this season, is that correct?

Sydney also haven't played us away yet 

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almost 11 years ago
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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

lols

that was my call

I like Ernie's style

He's had Blake on the bench already, one of the games at the Rec, so he must have a degree of confidence in him

otherwise I think I just got lucky there - if Piney's correct - but I'm in the Vince would get exposed camp, plus he's been doing a job in the mid and I think we'll need some hard doing in there vs Sydney.  Plus there's no way I'd move Riera or Roly.  Maybe Alex, but he's not exactly a last line defender from what I've seen.  And Hicks never occurred to me so I was presuming one of the youngsters. 

I also picked Appiah to start as a bit of a punt really - I did read he's fit again?  But I guess he's not had any reserves game time?  And I guess Hicks does deserve a crack, just didn't see him as the same style of high player as Burns/Griffiths/Appiah. 

Anybody seen Appiah train or play?  Would be interested in how he's looked and there's very little on his own thread about him.

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almost 11 years ago

What about Brindell-South? I dont know if hes injured or anything but I think playing a natural fullback will add a bit of safety even though hes very inexperienced. Hes had a go before so surely he knows a bit of how to kick a ball?

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