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almost 9 years ago

Just on the timing of the VAR (and putting side any foul on Rossi), 

68:53 Foul occurs 

69:26 Ref whistles to check 

70:19 Penalty awarded 

71:43 Goal scored

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almost 9 years ago

IF THE REF DIDNT SEE IT AND PLAYERS CANT ASK WHAT MADE HIM CHECK UP ON IT

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almost 9 years ago

token wrote:

IF THE REF DIDNT SEE IT AND PLAYERS CANT ASK WHAT MADE HIM CHECK UP ON IT

The VAR is constantly watching and checking the plays, and tells the referee when he believe a decision needs changing.

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almost 9 years ago

Gillette at his usual low standard in other words.

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Im just pissed off at administrators fudging up the beauty of the whole experience. And then they moan that the metrics arent good enough. The use of the VAR was at the wrong time - should never be half way through a season. And clearly the process is not thought through, not equitable and wont ensure that the correct decision is made in all cases - in which case whats the point? Have they considered the impact on the spectatorss - if that play had continued for several minutes and maybe the Phoenix had scored, its gonna be carnage. What if someone has committed a red card offence in that 'ignored' passage of play?

And another personal gripe of mine, why oh why did we play in a horrible all black kit that made it very hard to watch from the stands. Dont they think of the paying audience? Did you see how much the ref stood out in his yellow shirt - that should have been our players.  Black is an awful colour to try to watch - even bloody yellow shorts would have made a huge difference, although for the life of me I dont understand why we cant where yellow and black stripes at home.  So Executives, if you wonder why the crowds are so small, think about the product you are dishing up.

All this is a shame cos I thought the Phoenix played quite well.

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almost 9 years ago

Fenix wrote:

And another personal gripe of mine, why oh why did we play in a horrible all black kit that made it very hard to watch from the stands. Dont they think of the paying audience? Did you see how much the ref stood out in his yellow shirt - that should have been our players.  Black is an awful colour to try to watch - even bloody yellow shorts would have made a huge difference, although for the life of me I dont understand why we cant where yellow and black stripes at home.  So Executives, if you wonder why the crowds are so small, think about the product you are dishing up.

I don't think anyone is staying at home because the team is playing in the 10 Year Anniversary kit rather than the yellow stripey.

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almost 9 years ago

Foxsports.com.au sought clarification from Football Federation Australia about the incident, with Phoenix staff confused as to whether or not a review had taken place of the late incident.

“Everything is being checked all the time, so that’s part of the education process for everyone involved,” an FFA spokesperson explained. “It’s not like cricket or tennis where you have to call for a review, everything is constantly being checked live.”

The VAR Jarred Gillett had in fact reviewed the Krishna incident, and deemed it not to be a penalty. Replays showed Wilkinson had not handled the ball, it had come off his foot, and the contact on Krishna was insignificant and therefore not a “clearly wrong” decision to wave play on.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/well...

This is just a straight up lie. There were 10 seconds between the incident and the full time whistle. It took almost 90 seconds to judge Rossi's one. But now it's suddenly 10 seconds. Please.

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almost 9 years ago

Pass of the night, ball girl to Roly that led to Mcglincheys goal. Less then two seconds from ball going out to the throw in.

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almost 9 years ago

Considering players are supposed to be booked for asking for VAR  about half players on field should have been booked

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almost 9 years ago

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

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almost 9 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

According to Patrick the VAR can only rule on the handball though, they aren't allowed to rule on the foul from the attacking player. Which is fudgeing retarded

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almost 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Just on the timing of the VAR (and putting side any foul on Rossi), 

68:53 Foul occurs 

69:26 Ref whistles to check 

70:19 Penalty awarded 

71:43 Goal scored

What is the ruling as to when things maybe stopped to check? Is it next stoppage? Quite feasibly play good go on for 5 minutes

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almost 9 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Just on the timing of the VAR (and putting side any foul on Rossi), 

68:53 Foul occurs 

69:26 Ref whistles to check 

70:19 Penalty awarded 

71:43 Goal scored

What is the ruling as to when things maybe stopped to check? Is it next stoppage? Quite feasibly play good go on for 5 minutes

Imagine if the next stoppage is a goal, or someone picking up a second yellow. What happens then? It'd be an absolute farce

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almost 9 years ago

One from the CWC was horrible

27:51 Foul comitted

28:38 Ball does out for the first time

29:37 Ref signals for review. 

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almost 9 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

According to Patrick the VAR can only rule on the handball though, they aren't allowed to rule on the foul from the attacking player. Which is fudgeing retarded

So if it was not in his jurisdiction to rule on the foul why did Gillet bring up the hand ball (Balance of fairness).  Next we will be getting penalties from an Offside player being fouled in the box.

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almost 9 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

According to Patrick the VAR can only rule on the handball though, they aren't allowed to rule on the foul from the attacking player. Which is fudgeing retarded

So if it was not in his jurisdiction to rule on the foul why did Gillet bring up the hand ball (Balance of fairness).  Next we will be getting penalties from an Offside player being fouled in the box, because VAR can't rule on that.

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almost 9 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

According to Patrick the VAR can only rule on the handball though, they aren't allowed to rule on the foul from the attacking player. Which is fudgeing retarded

maybe it's better that way. Give VAR the power to rule on any little infringement they'll spend 2mins looking at the entire play for any potential foul, and then the ref will run to his little screen to check that as well, which could end up taking 3-4mins for a decision to be made. I know it seems harsh in this scenario, but if there's no strict guidelines on what the VAR can rule on, then that's when things get out of hand 
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almost 9 years ago

So the two VAR games the Nix have been involved in (Capital Stick of wood Trophy) and the weekend have both involved Penalty Decisions. One for the Nix, one against. Both contentious. Isn't the whole system designed to take away the contention?

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almost 9 years ago

Kyle1502 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

According to Patrick the VAR can only rule on the handball though, they aren't allowed to rule on the foul from the attacking player. Which is fudgeing retarded

maybe it's better that way. Give VAR the power to rule on any little infringement they'll spend 2mins looking at the entire play for any potential foul, and then the ref will run to his little screen to check that as well, which could end up taking 3-4mins for a decision to be made. I know it seems harsh in this scenario, but if there's no strict guidelines on what the VAR can rule on, then that's when things get out of hand 

I don't think it's that hard to formulate a scope which only covers goalscoring and penalty calls but looks at all aspects of the play around it. Because or else there's no point in having it, if the purpose is to make sure the correct call is made. Here we have a situation where the ref actually made the correct call albeit for the wrong reason, and then had to go back and make the wrong call because the video ref couldn't rule on the attacking foul. That's farcical and indefensible. There's no way a system which allows that to occur is in anyway better than one that looks at all aspects of the passage of play.

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almost 9 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

According to Patrick the VAR can only rule on the handball though, they aren't allowed to rule on the foul from the attacking player. Which is fudgeing retarded

So if it was not in his jurisdiction to rule on the foul why did Gillet bring up the hand ball (Balance of fairness).  Next we will be getting penalties from an Offside player being fouled in the box.

Because he HAS to make the call re: the handball as part of his mandate. Not making the call because of the attacking foul is exactly what he isn't allowed to do.

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almost 9 years ago

I love that this VAR stuff has distracted from the fact that another dismal season is over.

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Blew.2 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

According to Patrick the VAR can only rule on the handball though, they aren't allowed to rule on the foul from the attacking player. Which is fudgeing retarded

So if it was not in his jurisdiction to rule on the foul why did Gillet bring up the hand ball (Balance of fairness).  Next we will be getting penalties from an Offside player being fouled in the box.

Because he HAS to make the call re: the handball as part of his mandate. Not making the call because of the attacking foul is exactly what he isn't allowed to do.

  So he calls "Refs call stands"  Ref's decision was balanced and with all facts as he saw it correct and not an obvious error.  (But it was Shaver on the review)

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almost 9 years ago

valeo wrote:

I love that this VAR stuff has distracted from the fact that another dismal season is over.

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almost 9 years ago

The ref's call was wrong though because if he had seen the handball and the foul then it would have been a free kick to us, because you can't play advantage if there's a second infringement. I know this is bullshark and illogical but I bet this is the line of reasoning: ref doesn't see handball so has to be reviewed, but video ref can't rule on attacking foul so penalty has to be given.

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Kyle1502 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

According to Patrick the VAR can only rule on the handball though, they aren't allowed to rule on the foul from the attacking player. Which is fudgeing retarded

maybe it's better that way. Give VAR the power to rule on any little infringement they'll spend 2mins looking at the entire play for any potential foul, and then the ref will run to his little screen to check that as well, which could end up taking 3-4mins for a decision to be made. I know it seems harsh in this scenario, but if there's no strict guidelines on what the VAR can rule on, then that's when things get out of hand 

I don't think it's that hard to formulate a scope which only covers goalscoring and penalty calls but looks at all aspects of the play around it. Because or else there's no point in having it, if the purpose is to make sure the correct call is made. Here we have a situation where the ref actually made the correct call albeit for the wrong reason, and then had to go back and make the wrong call because the video ref couldn't rule on the attacking foul. That's farcical and indefensible. There's no way a system which allows that to occur is in anyway better than one that looks at all aspects of the passage of play.

I agree with your first statement, and in my opinion that's something that can only happen after using VAR in games. Those things will never be picked up in an offline trial. I don't agree with your last statement though (the one in bold). That's when you'll get the VAR spending a long time looking at everything in the passage of play to find a minor infringement, and not abiding by the whole "correcting a clear error" message that they've been given. 

Edit: I'm not necessarily talking about the Rossi incident, just in general terms

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almost 9 years ago

Kyle1502 wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

According to Patrick the VAR can only rule on the handball though, they aren't allowed to rule on the foul from the attacking player. Which is fudgeing retarded

maybe it's better that way. Give VAR the power to rule on any little infringement they'll spend 2mins looking at the entire play for any potential foul, and then the ref will run to his little screen to check that as well, which could end up taking 3-4mins for a decision to be made. I know it seems harsh in this scenario, but if there's no strict guidelines on what the VAR can rule on, then that's when things get out of hand 

I don't think it's that hard to formulate a scope which only covers goalscoring and penalty calls but looks at all aspects of the play around it. Because or else there's no point in having it, if the purpose is to make sure the correct call is made. Here we have a situation where the ref actually made the correct call albeit for the wrong reason, and then had to go back and make the wrong call because the video ref couldn't rule on the attacking foul. That's farcical and indefensible. There's no way a system which allows that to occur is in anyway better than one that looks at all aspects of the passage of play.

I agree with your first statement, and in my opinion that's something that can only happen after using VAR in games. Those things will never be picked up in an offline trial. I don't agree with your last statement though (the one in bold). That's when you'll get the VAR spending a long time looking at everything in the passage of play to find a minor infringement, and not abiding by the whole "correcting a clear error" message that they've been given. 

Edit: I'm not necessarily talking about the Rossi incident, just in general terms

I don't think you can make a distinction about when it's a clear error or not though, so IMO you either look at everything or nothing. 

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almost 9 years ago

Circus league.

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almost 9 years ago

Kyle1502 wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Now we know how much Gillet loves the Phoenix. But for VAR to work they have to consider the first offence. Hand of Sydney player is attached to Rossi's jersey and is climbing on him  VAR free kick to Phoenix, NO it's Gillet - did not see that in slow motion. Hence Evans is walking back to Nix goal as soon as whistle is blown for offside.  (Follow on in slowmo and you see Rossi pulled backward and arm comes up)

According to Patrick the VAR can only rule on the handball though, they aren't allowed to rule on the foul from the attacking player. Which is fudgeing retarded

maybe it's better that way. Give VAR the power to rule on any little infringement they'll spend 2mins looking at the entire play for any potential foul, and then the ref will run to his little screen to check that as well, which could end up taking 3-4mins for a decision to be made. I know it seems harsh in this scenario, but if there's no strict guidelines on what the VAR can rule on, then that's when things get out of hand 

I don't think it's that hard to formulate a scope which only covers goalscoring and penalty calls but looks at all aspects of the play around it. Because or else there's no point in having it, if the purpose is to make sure the correct call is made. Here we have a situation where the ref actually made the correct call albeit for the wrong reason, and then had to go back and make the wrong call because the video ref couldn't rule on the attacking foul. That's farcical and indefensible. There's no way a system which allows that to occur is in anyway better than one that looks at all aspects of the passage of play.

I agree with your first statement, and in my opinion that's something that can only happen after using VAR in games. Those things will never be picked up in an offline trial. I don't agree with your last statement though (the one in bold). That's when you'll get the VAR spending a long time looking at everything in the passage of play to find a minor infringement, and not abiding by the whole "correcting a clear error" message that they've been given. 

Edit: I'm not necessarily talking about the Rossi incident, just in general terms

I don't think you can make a distinction about when it's a clear error or not though, so IMO you either look at everything or nothing. 

To rule on some things and not others only serves to add a layer of inconsistency. The decision the other night perfectly highlights that. 

A referee making calls does result in some incorrect decisions, but at least that human error is consistent across all decisions throughout a match.

Consistency is more desirable than getting the odd incorrect decision overturned to be correct, surely? 


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almost 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Fenix wrote:

And another personal gripe of mine, why oh why did we play in a horrible all black kit that made it very hard to watch from the stands. Dont they think of the paying audience? Did you see how much the ref stood out in his yellow shirt - that should have been our players.  Black is an awful colour to try to watch - even bloody yellow shorts would have made a huge difference, although for the life of me I dont understand why we cant where yellow and black stripes at home.  So Executives, if you wonder why the crowds are so small, think about the product you are dishing up.

I don't think anyone is staying at home because the team is playing in the 10 Year Anniversary kit rather than the yellow stripey.

I would if i knew it was coming, it's horrible to watch!
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almost 9 years ago

I'm much more willing to forgive a referee for making a mistake when he only gets one chance to see it and rule on it than I am for a VAR who gets to view the incident in slow motion from Up To Fourteen Different Camera Angles™.


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almost 9 years ago

I've been listening to some of the reaction out of the West Island on the daily football show, both Sunday and yesterday they were fapping on about how great the VAR was and how it did it's job perfectly. It seems that they're all aware that the purpose of the VAR is to screw us over, and he did exactly that.

They don't even admit that this decision was at all controversial.

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LiamJ wrote:

I've been listening to some of the reaction out of the West Island on the daily football show, both Sunday and yesterday they were fapping on about how great the VAR was and how it did it's job perfectly. It seems that they're all aware that the purpose of the VAR is to screw us over, and he did exactly that.

They don't even admit that this decision was at all controversial.

Outside90 and the DFS have a vendetta against the Fever ever since we turned down their offer to "partner" with them and produce online content for them for free. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

Same with Fox Sports employees - seen Adam Peacock's piece fapping over how good VAR is? Remember that his employer put $$$ into setting up their VAR system so therefore are anything but impartial in commenting on how successful it is. 


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almost 9 years ago

I was surprised at the lack of comments from fans of other clubs seeing as SFC are hardly popular. I even thought maybe we were all being a bit one eyed so I went back and watched again but no, the push is blatantly obvious. I don't know why more people haven't talked about it.

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almost 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

LiamJ wrote:

I've been listening to some of the reaction out of the West Island on the daily football show, both Sunday and yesterday they were fapping on about how great the VAR was and how it did it's job perfectly. It seems that they're all aware that the purpose of the VAR is to screw us over, and he did exactly that.

They don't even admit that this decision was at all controversial.

Outside90 and the DFS have a vendetta against the Fever ever since we turned down their offer to "partner" with them and produce online content for them for free. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

Same with Fox Sports employees - seen Adam Peacock's piece fapping over how good VAR is? Remember that his employer put $$$ into setting up their VAR system so therefore are anything but impartial in commenting on how successful it is. 

Was unaware of the DFS vs Fever issue, but that makes a bit of sense. I often felt like they were giving us a hard time, but thought this reflected the views of the Australian public (their intro claims to be "fiercely independent"). I always take the Fox guys with a massive grain of salt. I might try looking a little further for an opinion across the ditch in future. 
The main supporter of VAR on their pod has been Matt Windley from the Herald Sun

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almost 9 years ago

Fox is Fair and Balanced. 

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