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R26 vs Sydney FC | Sat 8th April | 7:35pm | ROF

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20 Legend wrote:

Colvinator wrote:

VAR system is horrific. Rossi's arms were likely only up where they were because the Sydney player is pushing down on his shoulders. In any case, he's clearly being fouled, so it should not have been a penalty.

Just like in rugby league, the video ref is getting shark wrong and ruining the flow of the game.

Who knew that would've happened! (sarcasm)

No doubt the A-League will continue forcing this upon us though.

It ruins the flow of the game even more in football. In league it's only used when a potential try has been scored, so play has already stopped when it's called. How this is set up, play goes on for half a minute before it gets called back to stop the game. Phoenix actually could've scored when broke away before VAR was called, which I assume would then be disallowed and go back for penalty at other end.

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Colvinator wrote:

VAR system is horrific. Rossi's arms were likely only up where they were because the Sydney player is pushing down on his shoulders. In any case, he's clearly being fouled, so it should not have been a penalty.

This x 1000.  I hate the whole concept of the VAR, but if they are going to use it, they need to take the time to at least get the fudging decision right.  I don't think it even occured to the VAR to check to see if Rossi was fouled, they were just focused on seeing if it hit the hand, and getting the decision done quickly.  

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almost 9 years ago

For me the main issue with the VAR was the ridiculously slow decision making- it's true we could've scored from the continued play, which  would have been chaotic. For me, it was the right decision - and looking at Rossi's body language afterwards, I think he knew it was a penalty too. If it's not to be completely disruptive, I like the 2 reviews system of hockey and cricket. In hockey it seems to badly slow the game at all; in cricket, the pace of the game is perfectly suited to it.

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martinb wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

Keep this rugby/NRL replay bullshark out of football! 

Sydney acting like a bunch of pricks, and to a man all running to the referee, even when we went up the other end.

This is what I feared will happen. You cannot ask for a replay/review but if there is an incident and then a subsequent reaction/protest with the referee and it comes to nothing, this VAR can suddenly jump into action. It's not asking for a review as such, but if you're basically screaming bloody murder to the referee, the guy in the VAR position is surely going to perk up and have a cheeky look for the fudge of it.

Think VAR is a possible idea- Thierry Henry handball etc etc, but A league refs doing it isn't going to help us much at all. Remember the Nathan Lyon hot spot? 

"That could have come from anything.." 

The technology doesn't ensure a fair result unless the guys using it are competent and fair. Reffing is a tad subjective anyway. I don't think that VAR is always going to help fairness in decisions. 

A-League refs are incompetent as it is. Their reluctance to actually make a half decent call and be in good positions to make said calls is just baffling. Sure, if you looked at those replays tonight, of course Rossi handled it. So that's what the guy in the hot seat looks for - Did he take into account the nudge in the back from the smurf beforehand? 

I don't know how others might feel about this over reaching technology being injected into our game, but I would rather have the drama, the banter, the opinions, and discussions with mates, colleagues and the like;  that to me is what football is about - It's drama, it's passion, it's contention and debate.

To me, the VAR will take that away. Sure, you can rule on goals, whether the ball has crossed the line in tight calls that come down to millimetres - that's what I'd call a positive piece of technology. But when you've got a subjective referee as it is (let's assume they're subjective...) then surely is that not enough? Why even have a referee in the first place? 

Too much dallying on decisions and multiple stoppages to review incidents that a referee should be confident enough to make in the first place is exactly why I don't really watch Super Rugby or the NRL. Just get on with the game that we love. Football has lasted long enough as it is, why change it now? 

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almost 9 years ago

and all that said - what a great last few weeks of football. In terms of momentum and quality play in the last month or so, we really deserve to be in the finals. Yeah- I know, so much wasted early season opportunities and disappointment, but it has been Magic the last wee while.

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almost 9 years ago

Amusingly if we had VAR in the first Sydney game as opposed to the last, we'd be in the top 6.

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almost 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Amusingly if we had VAR in the first Sydney game as opposed to the last, we'd be in the top 6.

Can't remember the incident? vid or gif? And...are you sure?

Fever in good voice tonight



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almost 9 years ago

We had 2/3 offside goals scrubbed out

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almost 9 years ago

No way were there 6,000 at that game, 4 at the most. VAR and the crap quality A League officials could not even get that right. Incompetence at its best and it is sad to see match officiating is just the same level now as it was in year 1. If you wanted passion, the fans turned up with that VAR, kiwis dont mind a fair shake of the sausage but from that moment on, the ref bottled it for the rest of the game and the crowd let him know it...and rightly so too.

Well that is ten seasons of home games over for me now. And what a way to finish it. Thanks to the fever in the pub, I scored 3 good tee shirts, met some very nice Sydney fans, had a pretty good time over all. Fingers crossed in 6 months and 1 day, we have a new coach, a few new players but the very same fans that stand around me again. I was surprised the Nix did not do anything at half time as such. Just seemed to smack of taking fans for granted.

Takes care my fellow Nix fans, our season might not be over and I hope not. If only we shoukd the effort in far too many other games as we showed in this on the field.

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago
Stupid handball, could have been an penalty without VAR, Sydney players complained right away, so must be visible to the ref in 1st place. We should buried one of our chances and played like today all season. We fudgeed it up month ago, now it's to late.
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almost 9 years ago

I think it's an serious illness in the family

from the south of London town

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almost 9 years ago

wouldn't have been a hand ball if the Sydney player wasn't pushing down on rossi shoulders

from the south of London town

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almost 9 years ago

This was interesting from the Nix's match report: " The fourth official advised the coaching benchs that the incident was going to be reviewed, but referee Shaun Evans proceeded to then blow full-time."

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number8 wrote:
Stupid handball, could have been an penalty without VAR, Sydney players complained right away, so must be visible to the ref in 1st place. We should buried one of our chances and played like today all season. We fudgeed it up month ago, now it's to late.
No one is saying Rossi didn't handle the ball, but he was fouled first so the call should have been free kick to us not penalty to them. In the video below you can clearly see the Sydney guy pushing himself up off Rossi before Rossi's hand goes up. Presumably the FFA and FIFA both wanted to play with their shiny new VAR toy so hopefully we get a tick in our metrics column for helping them out at least.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2017/ap...

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almost 9 years ago

Anyway, ref controversy aside, that was another good performance from us against a very good Smurf team. These last few weeks we've looked like a top 4 side IMO, but I don't know if it's enough of a run to justify keeping Buckacre.

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almost 9 years ago

Still think we got the raw end of the deal i thought Rossi looked like he copt the first foul and the officials never did antything until the Sydney players converged on the ref.Never realised the VAR was going to be player driven.

Having seen it in used in two of our games i just dont like it and sorry like the review system used in other sports they dont seem to be able to get it right.Just dosnt add anything to the game for me.just left me PO. 


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almost 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

This was interesting from the Nix's match report: " The fourth official advised the coaching benchs that the incident was going to be reviewed, but referee Shaun Evans proceeded to then blow full-time."

This shows the the FFA opinion on the Nix if true. 

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almost 9 years ago

Phoenix screwed by the team in Yellow n Black. 

Was the climbing on On Rossi not a VAR consideration under its terms of use? 

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almost 9 years ago
He has his arm on this shoulders, doesn't mean it's a foul. I guess you have to use some force to get higher. I thought the VAR get only used in clear goal scoring situations, that Sydney header would have gone nowhere. I also had the impression teams could use certain times per games.
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almost 9 years ago

number8 wrote:
He has his arm on this shoulders, doesn't mean it's a foul. I guess you have to use some force to get higher. I thought the VAR get only used in clear goal scoring situations, that Sydney header would have gone nowhere. I also had the impression teams could use certain times per games.
My understanding is that you can't use an opponent for leverage when you're jumping for a header, which is what he's done IMO. I'll admit I don't 100% know the current interpretation of the laws there but that's what a ref has told me when I've done it in a game, and you do see those called quite often. If the penalty was called in real time I'd be more inclined to let it go because it wasn't blatantly obvious but if you slow it down and look at a replay then there's no excuse for missing it

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almost 9 years ago

I think the VAR will be a pub quiz  question in the future:

The VAR was first used in the A League. Name the city it was first used?

We did something before Melbourne Victory. We are pioneers!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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almost 9 years ago

Chant of the night..stick your VAR up your arse. As for not using the same technology in the last minute says it all. Not only do players cheat but match officials are either completely incompetant or they are now severely questionable. I would not let that referee ref a sunday pub game on his second half melt down. If the 4th official wanted to review it, the referee should have gone through the process. He didn't, he failed....or did he?

The only technology I want in football is the goal line cameras, did the ball completely cross the line. I do not want this turning into a rugby union/league circus where it holds up the game. Only the FFA and hib quality A League referees could take something simple and completely fudge it up. I hope heads role.

New rule for players, if you want to get ahead, everyone is to surround the referee and bitch to him until he folds. It bit like Man United when Roy Keane and Giggs played.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

number8 wrote:
He has his arm on this shoulders, doesn't mean it's a foul. I guess you have to use some force to get higher. I thought the VAR get only used in clear goal scoring situations, that Sydney header would have gone nowhere. I also had the impression teams could use certain times per games.
it's a foul if you put you arms on someone's shoulders!
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Lonegunmen wrote:

Chant of the night..stick your VAR up your arse. As for not using the same technology in the last minute says it all. Not only do players cheat but match officials are either completely incompetant or they are now severely questionable. I would not let that referee ref a sunday pub game on his second half melt down. If the 4th official wanted to review it, the referee should have gone through the process. He didn't, he failed....or did he?

The only technology I want in football is the goal line cameras, did the ball completely cross the line. I do not want this turning into a rugby union/league circus where it holds up the game. Only the FFA and hib quality A League referees could take something simple and completely fudge it up. I hope heads role.

New rule for players, if you want to get ahead, everyone is to surround the referee and bitch to him until he folds. It bit like Man United when Roy Keane and Giggs played.

and the time between the incident and when the penalty decision was given should have been added on. I don't think this var has been thought through, and to start using it in the last 2 rounds of a season is ludicrous.
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almost 9 years ago

VAR should be used during pre season, so it doesnt cost any team attempting to get into play offs.

Using this at a crucial time is silly and fustrating, as we saw last night.

All said about VAR, I feel we were really clutching at straws relying on other results to get into the play offs.

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Without VAR we would have won and been in the mix.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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So the VAR works the way the officials checking for the Chris Payne handball goal did? 

This is our playoffs. It's actually been a good end to the season excitement wise.  It feels like a promotion scrap where Perth and WSW won.  And after our form against the top two, who'd have bet against us in a finals series?



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almost 9 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

I think the VAR will be a pub quiz  question in the future:

The VAR was first used in the A League. Name the city it was first used?

We did something before Melbourne Victory. We are pioneers!

I think you'll find the [official] correct answer will still be Sydney or Melbourne, if the FFA have anything to do with it


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almost 9 years ago

The sad thing is we had 25 other matchs before last night to get ourselves comfortably into the Top 6.

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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almost 9 years ago

New FFA rule for next season. If those Kiwis dont like it, just pick up the ball and come home.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

They were quite  a friendly bunch.

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

They were quite  a friendly bunch.

Look at their season! They haven't been stressed all year...



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almost 9 years ago

Last night was amazing.  Brought my just turned 3 year old to the game so sat in the front of the zone instead of in it.

His very first time at the stadium and his very first sporting match, he was entranced by the stadium and the lights.  Then when the fever zone exploded at the goal and I was jumping up and down celebrating he was just watching the zone behind us with a huge smile on his face.

God I hope the Nix goes nowhere as last night would be one of my own personal favorite experiences.  I want to take any future kids, and if I'm lucky, their kids to the Nix.  Please Nix, survive.

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almost 9 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

Phoenix screwed by the team in Yellow n Black. 

Was the climbing on On Rossi not a VAR consideration under its terms of use? 

The VAR can't rule on whether the Sydney player fouled Rossi or not. They can only rule on penalty or no penalty (in this case, handball or no handball).

In this case, the VAR was used correctly under the current VAR guidelines. I personally think those guidelines are flawed, expecially for penalty decisions.


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almost 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Phoenix screwed by the team in Yellow n Black. 

Was the climbing on On Rossi not a VAR consideration under its terms of use? 

The VAR can't rule on whether the Sydney player fouled Rossi or not. They can only rule on penalty or no penalty (in this case, handball or no handball).

In this case, the VAR was used correctly under the current VAR guidelines. I personally think those guidelines are flawed, expecially for penalty decisions.

That's ridiculous. Why wouldn't you be able to look at the whole passage of play?

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almost 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Phoenix screwed by the team in Yellow n Black. 

Was the climbing on On Rossi not a VAR consideration under its terms of use? 

The VAR can't rule on whether the Sydney player fouled Rossi or not. They can only rule on penalty or no penalty (in this case, handball or no handball).

In this case, the VAR was used correctly under the current VAR guidelines. I personally think those guidelines are flawed, expecially for penalty decisions.

That's ridiculous. Why wouldn't you be able to look at the whole passage of play?

They are trying to limit the scope of what VAR can rule on (which is a good thing). Just clearly doesn't work in this case.

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Just does not work full stop. Quit it before it starts. Goal line cameras- Yes, VAR - No !!!!!!

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

The VAR can't rule on whether the Sydney player fouled Rossi or not. They can only rule on penalty or no penalty (in this case, handball or no handball).

In this case, the VAR was used correctly under the current VAR guidelines. I personally think those guidelines are flawed, expecially for penalty decisions.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

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almost 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Phoenix screwed by the team in Yellow n Black. 

Was the climbing on On Rossi not a VAR consideration under its terms of use? 

The VAR can't rule on whether the Sydney player fouled Rossi or not. They can only rule on penalty or no penalty (in this case, handball or no handball).

In this case, the VAR was used correctly under the current VAR guidelines. I personally think those guidelines are flawed, expecially for penalty decisions.

That's ridiculous. Why wouldn't you be able to look at the whole passage of play?

They are trying to limit the scope of what VAR can rule on (which is a good thing). Just clearly doesn't work in this case.

So to be clear, what can they look at? Because if you want to avoid making the wrong call either way about penalties then you should really be looking at whether it is a penalty or not. If the attacking team commits a foul in the build up then it shouldn't be a penalty. How can that be out of scope?

(Not arguing with you, but with the stupid fudgeing rules)

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almost 9 years ago

it was still a farkin good night, cant wait till next season. time for the club to tell us whats up.....

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