Looking forward to the end of Movember ... the A-League is an ugly thing to watch at the moment...
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Hernandez has to give much more if we're to start winning games. Lot of hate on Stein and Brockie here, but a good chunk of their problems is Hernandez fluffing around with the ball while they're getting themselves into good positions - and when he finally does pass it, they'd been shut down. Maybe he doesn't have the confidence in their pace, but at least he has to give them a chance. This was very noticeable in the first half.
Sydney are absolutely terrible though, I don't know how they've managed to win 3 on the trot.
Agree with both comments. I said enough about Carlos earlier, so will only add re: 2nd item:
I watched the Roar - WSW game the night before and thought it was excellent football, right up there with any lesser European league (so not EPL, Eredivisie, Bundesliga... etc level but certainly at the level of Austrian, Swedish, Swiss, Danish, etc league football). Possibly I should not have watched it, because as a result the Syd FC vs Nix game 24 hrs later made me want cut my wrists, and not because I am a Nix supporter, but because it was such crap in comparison. However, we are a work in progress, with limited resources and in transition. The same can't be said about the Bling, owned by the Zenith St Petersburg money, who can spend a bit more than we can.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
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Hernandez has to give much more if we're to start winning games. Lot of hate on Stein and Brockie here, but a good chunk of their problems is Hernandez fluffing around with the ball while they're getting themselves into good positions - and when he finally does pass it, they'd been shut down. Maybe he doesn't have the confidence in their pace, but at least he has to give them a chance. This was very noticeable in the first half.
Sydney are absolutely terrible though, I don't know how they've managed to win 3 on the trot.
well if we agree that we're sure as heck not going to drop hernandez, we need to give him some fast players he can work with...
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Looking forward to the end of Movember ... the A-League is an ugly thing to watch at the moment...
Agree. I looked at Alessandro del Piero and thought to myself, "I thought Chopper Read was dead???"
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
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I watched the Roar - WSW game the night before and thought it was excellent football, right up there with any lesser European league (so not EPL, Eredivisie, Bundesliga... etc level but certainly at the level of Austrian, Swedish, Swiss, Danish, etc league football). Possibly I should not have watched it, because as a result the Syd FC vs Nix game 24 hrs later made me want cut my wrists, and not because I am a Nix supporter, but because it was such crap in comparison. However, we are a work in progress, with limited resources and in transition. The same can't be said about the Bling, owned by the Zenith St Petersburg money, who can spend a bit more than we can.
I watched the Roar - WSW game the night before and thought it was excellent football, right up there with any lesser European league (so not EPL, Eredivisie, Bundesliga... etc level but certainly at the level of Austrian, Swedish, Swiss, Danish, etc league football). Possibly I should not have watched it, because as a result the Syd FC vs Nix game 24 hrs later made me want cut my wrists, and not because I am a Nix supporter, but because it was such crap in comparison. However, we are a work in progress, with limited resources and in transition. The same can't be said about the Bling, owned by the Zenith St Petersburg money, who can spend a bit more than we can.
Yep, watching that game you escape the feeling you were watching teams from the bottom half of the table. But yes, we always knew that this was a transition season for us, don't know what Sydney are doing though.
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To be fair to Carlos....he is sliding balls forward but often front runners are sitting on their heels and not making the runs. Last time he was in the A-League he was passing to livewires like Archie Thompson. If you watch Carlos he receives the ball and instantly looks up to make a pass..... but often the front line is static. There is nobody make runs...nobody going diagonally at pace to pull defenders out of position. Brockie often just sits on the defenders shoulder and tries to drift into space while Huysegems does the same.
On the positive side Cunningham could be our Thompson....he certainly has that pace, plus Fenton out wide is now another attacking option from RB
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A lot of good posts.
Ernie keeps playing with two strikers and unfortunately one of them is not good enough and the second looks very average when he doesn't score (very low work rate).
Hernandez can be also frustrated with himself as he is the guy with the highest numbers of shorts in Hyundai A league with no goal scored yet. In fairness to him, he needs at least two players who run into the space so he can deliver (Kenny and ?). In addition, the Nix can't rely solely on one player's creativity, we need at least another couple of players who can create something out of nothing (younger version of Paul Ifill who can start the game?).
Also agree that Ricki's leftover players need to be replaced.
Still very positive that this club is heading in a right direction.
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I like Ernie saying that he went for a win, even that it meant to loose. That is longterm thinking winning mentality.
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Hernandez has to give much more if we're to start winning games. Lot of hate on Stein and Brockie here, but a good chunk of their problems is Hernandez fluffing around with the ball while they're getting themselves into good positions - and when he finally does pass it, they'd been shut down. Maybe he doesn't have the confidence in their pace, but at least he has to give them a chance. This was very noticeable in the first half.
Sydney are absolutely terrible though, I don't know how they've managed to win 3 on the trot.
Rhetorical I know but scoring more goals than opposition always does it...and we dont score enough and wont with current players.. Two games lost at death so 2 points dropped. Pace also creates oportunities..viz a vis their second..in Cunningham only we have it. There was one flowing counter attack and he ran from deep and got ahead of everyone else. same as Sydney..there was one of their attacks off our corner and they sprinted back..we were caught well short.
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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To be fair to Carlos....he is sliding balls forward but often front runners are sitting on their heels and not making the runs. Last time he was in the A-League he was passing to livewires like Archie Thompson. If you watch Carlos he receives the ball and instantly looks up to make a pass..... but often the front line is static. There is nobody make runs...nobody going diagonally at pace to pull defenders out of position. Brockie often just sits on the defenders shoulder and tries to drift into space while Huysegems does the same.
On the positive side Cunningham could be our Thompson....he certainly has that pace, plus Fenton out wide is now another attacking option from RB
Good post. I know you guys will be disappointed by the result but I thought you played some good football going forward. I'm not sure either Huysegems or Brockie are the kind of quick forwards who can run into space where Hernandez can find them. Sometimes they are just static. I think you should play Cunningham up front as I think he will develop a good understanding with his fellow Costa Rican. Watching Ben Sigmund am surprised he didn't get game time against Mexico but then maybe he was out to prove something.
I know the Phoenix are still a work in progress but this was a much better result than the thrashing you endured in January. I like what Merrick is doing. Results will come. Hicks and Fenton are finding their feet in the A League.
I think a striker who could flourish on the passing of Hernandez would be ACFC's Tade who is good at running into channels and has quick sharp skills. Don't want to lose him but he would suit your style now. Trouble is your Spanish-speaking contingent would then surpass ACFC and some would not be pleased.
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To be fair to Carlos....he is sliding balls forward but often front runners are sitting on their heels and not making the runs. Last time he was in the A-League he was passing to livewires like Archie Thompson. If you watch Carlos he receives the ball and instantly looks up to make a pass..... but often the front line is static. There is nobody make runs...nobody going diagonally at pace to pull defenders out of position. Brockie often just sits on the defenders shoulder and tries to drift into space while Huysegems does the same.
On the positive side Cunningham could be our Thompson....he certainly has that pace, plus Fenton out wide is now another attacking option from RB
Good post. I know you guys will be disappointed by the result but I thought you played some good football going forward. I'm not sure either Huysegems or Brockie are the kind of quick forwards who can run into space where Hernandez can find them. Sometimes they are just static. I think you should play Cunningham up front as I think he will develop a good understanding with his fellow Costa Rican. Watching Ben Sigmund am surprised he didn't get game time against Mexico but then maybe he was out to prove something.
I know the Phoenix are still a work in progress but this was a much better result than the thrashing you endured in January. I like what Merrick is doing. Results will come. Hicks and Fenton are finding their feet in the A League.
I think a striker who could flourish on the passing of Hernandez would be ACFC's Tade who is good at running into channels and has quick sharp skills. Don't want to lose him but he would suit your style now. Trouble is your Spanish-speaking contingent would then surpass ACFC and some would not be pleased.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Remember when Gareth Morgan called us out as unsophisticated for only wanting to win all the time. I hope he's reading this thread now.
We show heaps of promise, and just lack a goalscoring edge. I'd be inclined to bin Stein and start Iffs, or Kenny. Louis as a right back continues to worry me too.
I agree with the spirit of the "heaps of promise" bit. I still consider Ernie a good choice for a coach, and hope he'll stay around long enough to make us into a better team on the park (long term). I am thinking of "long-term" in a Brisbane Roar way, who were shaped by Ange P. into a good team, once he got rid of deadweight, and still remain so a couple of seasons later.
However, I disagree with the notion of starting Ifill. In contrast, Kenny C. reminded me of a younger Ifill, if not in the sense of Iffy's beguiling, wavy runs, but in the same work rate that Ifill showed even a couple off seasons ago.
There must be a reason that Ernie is persisting with Stein and Brockie pairing, although I do not know what it is. Ernie is paid good money to know the reason, while I am a smartass spouting wisdom from the sidelines for free, and angsting over the outcome. I will defer to Ernie's professional wisdom.
Some stated that Carlos Hernandez played well this time. I am not sure he played exceptionally well, he rides too much on his past reputation at the moment. While he's never been very mobile, he used to take at least a few shots (on target) in previous years. The fact people were angsting over Lia miscuing his shots and not saying anything about Carlos (who is supposed to be twice the calibre footballer that Lia is), is only because Carlos did not take more than one shot or so the whole game, yet I have not heard a complaint.
My main concern remains relatively low work rate of Brockie and Hernandez, and the "Lost In Space" whiff to Stein's game at present. Of these, the latter is more worrying as it may reflect a good player not fitting into the game plan, rather than a lazy player. A lazy player can have a riot act read to them, a lost player can be reassigned by a good coach.
I will go out on a limb again, and ask (again) the collective wisdom of the forum if Waffles can be reshaped into a central attacking midfielder.
Interesting that you back Ernie's wisdom in not starting Ifill, but don't back his wisdom to start Huysegems in his best position. Odd.
Why you would take a guy who plays back to goal and is demonstrably slow and try to turn him into a replacement for Carlos Hernandez I'm not sure. Or are you suggesting Huysegems be groomed as a bench warmer to cover for Hernandez? Or are you suggesting that you'd start Hernandez and Huysegems in a dual attacking midfield?
One of us is very confused. Right now I think it's me.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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To be fair to Carlos....he is sliding balls forward but often front runners are sitting on their heels and not making the runs. Last time he was in the A-League he was passing to livewires like Archie Thompson. If you watch Carlos he receives the ball and instantly looks up to make a pass..... but often the front line is static. There is nobody make runs...nobody going diagonally at pace to pull defenders out of position. Brockie often just sits on the defenders shoulder and tries to drift into space while Huysegems does the same.
On the positive side Cunningham could be our Thompson....he certainly has that pace, plus Fenton out wide is now another attacking option from RB
Good post. I know you guys will be disappointed by the result but I thought you played some good football going forward. I'm not sure either Huysegems or Brockie are the kind of quick forwards who can run into space where Hernandez can find them. Sometimes they are just static. I think you should play Cunningham up front as I think he will develop a good understanding with his fellow Costa Rican. Watching Ben Sigmund am surprised he didn't get game time against Mexico but then maybe he was out to prove something.
I know the Phoenix are still a work in progress but this was a much better result than the thrashing you endured in January. I like what Merrick is doing. Results will come. Hicks and Fenton are finding their feet in the A League.
I think a striker who could flourish on the passing of Hernandez would be ACFC's Tade who is good at running into channels and has quick sharp skills. Don't want to lose him but he would suit your style now. Trouble is your Spanish-speaking contingent would then surpass ACFC and some would not be pleased.
I agree. If Tade bangs in a boat load this year I'll be joining you in calling for him to get a go. He's a bit of a younger, sharper, version of Huysegems (albeit with much less pedigree).
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Remember when Gareth Morgan called us out as unsophisticated for only wanting to win all the time. I hope he's reading this thread now.
We show heaps of promise, and just lack a goalscoring edge. I'd be inclined to bin Stein and start Iffs, or Kenny. Louis as a right back continues to worry me too.
I agree with the spirit of the "heaps of promise" bit. I still consider Ernie a good choice for a coach, and hope he'll stay around long enough to make us into a better team on the park (long term). I am thinking of "long-term" in a Brisbane Roar way, who were shaped by Ange P. into a good team, once he got rid of deadweight, and still remain so a couple of seasons later.
However, I disagree with the notion of starting Ifill. In contrast, Kenny C. reminded me of a younger Ifill, if not in the sense of Iffy's beguiling, wavy runs, but in the same work rate that Ifill showed even a couple off seasons ago.
There must be a reason that Ernie is persisting with Stein and Brockie pairing, although I do not know what it is. Ernie is paid good money to know the reason, while I am a smartass spouting wisdom from the sidelines for free, and angsting over the outcome. I will defer to Ernie's professional wisdom.
Some stated that Carlos Hernandez played well this time. I am not sure he played exceptionally well, he rides too much on his past reputation at the moment. While he's never been very mobile, he used to take at least a few shots (on target) in previous years. The fact people were angsting over Lia miscuing his shots and not saying anything about Carlos (who is supposed to be twice the calibre footballer that Lia is), is only because Carlos did not take more than one shot or so the whole game, yet I have not heard a complaint.
My main concern remains relatively low work rate of Brockie and Hernandez, and the "Lost In Space" whiff to Stein's game at present. Of these, the latter is more worrying as it may reflect a good player not fitting into the game plan, rather than a lazy player. A lazy player can have a riot act read to them, a lost player can be reassigned by a good coach.
I will go out on a limb again, and ask (again) the collective wisdom of the forum if Waffles can be reshaped into a central attacking midfielder.
Interesting that you back Ernie's wisdom in not starting Ifill, but don't back his wisdom to start Huysegems in his best position. Odd.
Why you would take a guy who plays back to goal and is demonstrably slow and try to turn him into a replacement for Carlos Hernandez I'm not sure. Or are you suggesting Huysegems be groomed as a bench warmer to cover for Hernandez? Or are you suggesting that you'd start Hernandez and Huysegems in a dual attacking midfield?
One of us is very confused. Right now I think it's me.
"Interesting that you back Ernie's wisdom in not starting Ifill, but don't back his wisdom to start Huysegems in his best position. Odd."
Correct, Smithy. I think we know and Ernie knows where Ifill plays best. It is his (Ifill's) body that slowly giving way, position is not the issue. In contrast, there is no clear explanation why Huysegems, who has fine skills and is not over the hill yet, does not seem to fit in well with Brockie. Unless we consider droppingh Brockie, I would like to pursue this line of thought.
As I said in the post, I wonder what others think. I did not suggest Waffles replacing or covering for Carlos. I am wondering if there is a role for him pairing up with Carlos in midfield. While I appreciate that your point is that Waffles' best position is back to goal, my thought is now that perhaps it isn't. This is because he and Brockie do not work well together. Would you drop Brockie and leave Waffles with Kenny C.? I am not convinced.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
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bollocks
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological.
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Huysegems is the most one footed player I have ever seen in my life. This is a dead serious statement, when do you ever see him use his right foot? Imagine how much better a player he would be if he just worked on his right foot when he was a little bit younger.
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To me, Ernie's systems have never relied on a back to goal guy and I think that's in part where Stein is the odd man out. When you think about Allsopp and Archie, they just relentlessly ran at the opponents and out paced them until the ass fell out of opponents and were run off the park. Carlos gave them the ball in the right places to do that. Brockie and Stein are not speed merchants but Brockie works best from open broken play and catching the defence unaware. I think that's where Kenny (and after thinking he was gonna be huge, I have egg on my face) is probably best utilised and probably what Ernie thought was a clone of Archie. Pace, ball skill, run the ass out of the opponents and Carlos slips it to him in the right place. The difference is that Archie and Allsop popped up everywhere along the front line where Kenny is glued to the flank he is put on and tries to out foot race opponents from positions where he gives himself no room to do so and probably does not have the footwork trickery other than 'I can run'. Ifill can do that but is in the body of geriatric with matching pace. If you combined Ifill and Kenny, you have the player that makes Ernie's system work - a clone of Archie.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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To me, Ernie's systems have never relied on a back to goal guy and I think that's in part where Stein is the odd man out. When you think about Allsopp and Archie, they just relentlessly ran at the opponents and out paced them until the ass fell out of opponents and were run off the park. Carlos gave them the ball in the right places to do that. Brockie and Stein are not speed merchants but Brockie works best from open broken play and catching the defence unaware. I think that's where Kenny (and after thinking he was gonna be huge, I have egg on my face) is probably best utilised and probably what Ernie thought was a clone of Archie. Pace, ball skill, run the ass out of the opponents and Carlos slips it to him in the right place. The difference is that Archie and Allsop popped up everywhere along the front line where Kenny is glued to the flank he is put on and tries to out foot race opponents from positions where he gives himself no room to do so and probably does not have the footwork trickery other than 'I can run'. Ifill can do that but is in the body of geriatric with matching pace. If you combined Ifill and Kenny, you have the player that makes Ernie's system work - a clone of Archie.
lol ffs JV give yourself a break over Kenny is, early days and I thought he played well on saturday.
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Hernandez has to give much more if we're to start winning games. Lot of hate on Stein and Brockie here, but a good chunk of their problems is Hernandez fluffing around with the ball while they're getting themselves into good positions - and when he finally does pass it, they'd been shut down. Maybe he doesn't have the confidence in their pace, but at least he has to give them a chance. This was very noticeable in the first half.
Sydney are absolutely terrible though, I don't know how they've managed to win 3 on the trot.
Agree with both comments. I said enough about Carlos earlier, so will only add re: 2nd item:
I watched the Roar - WSW game the night before and thought it was excellent football, right up there with any lesser European league (so not EPL, Eredivisie, Bundesliga... etc level but certainly at the level of Austrian, Swedish, Swiss, Danish, etc league football). Possibly I should not have watched it, because as a result the Syd FC vs Nix game 24 hrs later made me want cut my wrists, and not because I am a Nix supporter, but because it was such crap in comparison. However, we are a work in progress, with limited resources and in transition. The same can't be said about the Bling, owned by the Zenith St Petersburg money, who can spend a bit more than we can.
I thought we were decent away from home but a draw would have been fair based on no of chances. Moss made some good saves, esp that one with leg from del piero.
Central defenders were good, caira average, Fenton ok getting forward but sloppy and lucky some of his loose passes didn't hurt. Muscat was decent defensively, lia at his mediocre best, brockie invis, huysegems mediocre. Kenny good. Ifill should always start.
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To me, Ernie's systems have never relied on a back to goal guy and I think that's in part where Stein is the odd man out. When you think about Allsopp and Archie, they just relentlessly ran at the opponents and out paced them until the ass fell out of opponents and were run off the park. Carlos gave them the ball in the right places to do that. Brockie and Stein are not speed merchants but Brockie works best from open broken play and catching the defence unaware. I think that's where Kenny (and after thinking he was gonna be huge, I have egg on my face) is probably best utilised and probably what Ernie thought was a clone of Archie. Pace, ball skill, run the ass out of the opponents and Carlos slips it to him in the right place. The difference is that Archie and Allsop popped up everywhere along the front line where Kenny is glued to the flank he is put on and tries to out foot race opponents from positions where he gives himself no room to do so and probably does not have the footwork trickery other than 'I can run'. Ifill can do that but is in the body of geriatric with matching pace. If you combined Ifill and Kenny, you have the player that makes Ernie's system work - a clone of Archie.
lol ffs JV give yourself a break over Kenny is, early days and I thought he played well on saturday.
I only really saw half of yesterday's game (was at a mates for a BBQ and his grand kids meant we didn't really get a good watch hence why have really put my opinion on the game) What I saw in about 15mins (?) looked ok. It's not a 90min performance but he could be turning a corner and coming right.
I think as much as I am a Stein fan, he does not work in the current mixso I would switch him and Kenny but tell him to roam that front line more, pop up anywhere and let's see what he does with that burst of acceleration and make runs with pace that can split the back line.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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from waht I saw of kenny I think he should be starting instead of Stein, he looked way more accurate and caused more problems as a front man than a wing.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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I watched the Roar - WSW game the night before and thought it was excellent football, right up there with any lesser European league (so not EPL, Eredivisie, Bundesliga... etc level but certainly at the level of Austrian, Swedish, Swiss, Danish, etc league football). Possibly I should not have watched it, because as a result the Syd FC vs Nix game 24 hrs later made me want cut my wrists, and not because I am a Nix supporter, but because it was such crap in comparison. However, we are a work in progress, with limited resources and in transition. The same can't be said about the Bling, owned by the Zenith St Petersburg money, who can spend a bit more than we can.
I thought we were decent away from home but a draw would have been fair based on no of chances. Moss made some good saves, esp that one with leg from del piero. Central defenders were good, caira average, Fenton ok getting forward but sloppy and lucky some of his loose passes didn't hurt. Muscat was decent defensively, lia at his mediocre best, brockie invis, huysegems mediocre. Kenny good. Ifill should always start.
OK, I take your point that maybe it is a bit harsh. Please note I did not say "we were crap" because I don't think we were. All I am saying is that Sydney and us were approximately same quality, and the luck of chances converted went their way.
The point I was making was that Sydney and The Nix were not playing at the level of WSW and Roar on the basis of what I saw on Friday night.. Both WSW and BR have lifted since the early rounds. We still have some way to go before we can get better, as we need to work out the formation first.
I happen to agree with most of the individual player assessments you made, perhaps with exception of Ifill starting, unless you are planning to sub him early in the second half. In the only game I saw him start this season I noticed he visibly faded from view as time wore on. I do not question his skills, vision and heart. I question his knees as a 90 min material.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
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Interesting that Bozza picked Fenton in his team of the week.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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fenton was good, why all the hate? his only real mistake was at the end, plus he had to compensate our attacks lack of pace by pushing forward. Would far rather him than Caira who makes more mistakes and gives the ball away. Both certainly need to work on their crossing however.
yung thug
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To me, Ernie's systems have never relied on a back to goal guy and I think that's in part where Stein is the odd man out. When you think about Allsopp and Archie, they just relentlessly ran at the opponents and out paced them until the ass fell out of opponents and were run off the park. Carlos gave them the ball in the right places to do that. Brockie and Stein are not speed merchants but Brockie works best from open broken play and catching the defence unaware. I think that's where Kenny (and after thinking he was gonna be huge, I have egg on my face) is probably best utilised and probably what Ernie thought was a clone of Archie. Pace, ball skill, run the ass out of the opponents and Carlos slips it to him in the right place. The difference is that Archie and Allsop popped up everywhere along the front line where Kenny is glued to the flank he is put on and tries to out foot race opponents from positions where he gives himself no room to do so and probably does not have the footwork trickery other than 'I can run'. Ifill can do that but is in the body of geriatric with matching pace. If you combined Ifill and Kenny, you have the player that makes Ernie's system work - a clone of Archie.
no shit, he is naturally a winger.
yung thug
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plus he had to compensate our attacks lack of pace by pushing forward.
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plus he had to compensate our attacks lack of pace by pushing forward.
What I meant to say is, when he gets caught out of position, it is usually because he has to rush up the flank and put a cross in (I know, normal fullback play, but he should not be so heavily relied on) because brockie runs at a turtles pace and creates no space, then walks back. So fenton was essentially covering that side of the attack and defence because brockie is a slow lazy donkey.
yung thug
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From what I've seen of Kenny, his so called 'explosive' pace has been pretty anti-climatic. Just an average speed guy. Hopefully he proves me wrong but I havn't seen any real signs of pace. Looks like most Nix players could match him in a sprint thus far..
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To me, Ernie's systems have never relied on a back to goal guy and I think that's in part where Stein is the odd man out. When you think about Allsopp and Archie, they just relentlessly ran at the opponents and out paced them until the ass fell out of opponents and were run off the park. Carlos gave them the ball in the right places to do that. Brockie and Stein are not speed merchants but Brockie works best from open broken play and catching the defence unaware. I think that's where Kenny (and after thinking he was gonna be huge, I have egg on my face) is probably best utilised and probably what Ernie thought was a clone of Archie. Pace, ball skill, run the ass out of the opponents and Carlos slips it to him in the right place. The difference is that Archie and Allsop popped up everywhere along the front line where Kenny is glued to the flank he is put on and tries to out foot race opponents from positions where he gives himself no room to do so and probably does not have the footwork trickery other than 'I can run'. Ifill can do that but is in the body of geriatric with matching pace. If you combined Ifill and Kenny, you have the player that makes Ernie's system work - a clone of Archie.
no shit, he is naturally a winger.
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In a league which has a small salary cap .... the choice of coach and forward planning to replacing a coach will decide where teams finish... EM was let go by MV because he was considered not capable of coaching at A-League level... it always concerned me that after the so called world wide search [over some months] how the Nix's board choose a coach that every other club's tho was not at A-League standard any-more ...
I hope I am wrong and EM leads the Nix's to the finals ... however away crowds and Australian TV ratings HHHMMMmmmm well the Nix's ... lets see some facts ... SFC normally rate over 90K and Saturday ratings are mostly over 100 K and if a SFC, MV, Roar, WSW play on Saturday night often 100 + ... the SFC V Nix [remembering SFC were going for their 3 win, and SFC fans liking winners] ... crowd 14 K and ratings of 60K ... even the CCM V PG played after 10 got 64K
Ratings Newcastle figure not out yet ...
Round 7
22 November 2013 Brisbane Roar v Western Sydney Wanderers Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane SBS 168k Foxsports 106k
23 November 2013 Sydney FC v Wellington Phoenix Allianz Stadium, Sydney 60k
23 November 2013 Melbourne Victory v Adelaide United Etihad Stadium, Melbourne 113k
23 November 2013 Perth Glory v Central Coast Mariners nib Stadium, Perth 64k
TBH have no idea what FFA think and what the future plans are ... however you guys hold the title over a number of years of having the lowest away crowds and the lowest Australian Fox ratings... No idea what ratings you bring in from NZ ... either for the Nix's and other matches...
What does it all mean ... I have NFI ... except to say the NZ protector has to leave his chairman's role with two years [I think] and FFA want a 100 million dollar media deal next time... meaning I guess everyone will be expected to grow the game and the belief in Australia is that growth will occur because of increasing technical skills by players and coaches on the park ... see the WSW V Roar match and what AU are trying to do...
Maybe the Nix's should do a SFC and get a technical expert in to help EM... just like SFC did for Cranky ...
Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei
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In a league which has a small salary cap .... the choice of coach and forward planning to replacing a coach will decide where teams finish... EM was let go by MV because he was considered not capable of coaching at A-League level... it always concerned me that after the so called world wide search [over some months] how the Nix's board choose a coach that every other club's tho was not at A-League standard any-more ...
Maybe the Nix's should do a SFC and get a technical expert in to help EM... just like SFC did for Cranky ...I do not think this is correct at all.
To my best knowledge EM was let go of because the board of MV (chiefly Geoff Lord) wanted a coach that could ensure repeat championships for the club. Ernie had a difficult start to the new season after winning the previous season and the board decided he's not going to bring home the toilet seat for that year. This is different from saying he was not of a A-League standard. If he wasn't, they would not have won the previous season in the first place. That they chose to replace him with less than successful guys, that's another story.
Ernie did not want to go to another club at that time because this was a politically charged time and coaches were doing merry go rounds then (Kosmina, Farina, Vidmar, van't Schipp, McKinna, Magilton etc.). He had a clean break by going to Hong Kong. If he proves something by taking The Nix higher up in his tenure here, his future pricetag to the other A-League clubs will go up higher.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
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I really hope you are right ...
My Heart says EM will be an outstanding success ... my Brain tells me you guys will struggle...
On why the MV board let him go ... at the end of the day they let him go and in the kind way you put it because they tho he could not win the title...with a champion winning team... no other club picked him up ...
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I really hope you are right ...
My Heart says EM will be an outstanding success ... my Brain tells me you guys will struggle...
On why the MV board let him go ... at the end of the day they let him go and in the kind way you put it because they tho he could not win the title...with a champion winning team... no other club picked him up ...
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In a league which has a small salary cap .... the choice of coach and forward planning to replacing a coach will decide where teams finish... EM was let go by MV because he was considered not capable of coaching at A-League level... it always concerned me that after the so called world wide search [over some months] how the Nix's board choose a coach that every other club's tho was not at A-League standard any-more ...
I hope I am wrong and EM leads the Nix's to the finals ... however away crowds and Australian TV ratings HHHMMMmmmm well the Nix's ... lets see some facts ... SFC normally rate over 90K and Saturday ratings are mostly over 100 K and if a SFC, MV, Roar, WSW play on Saturday night often 100 + ... the SFC V Nix [remembering SFC were going for their 3 win, and SFC fans liking winners] ... crowd 14 K and ratings of 60K ... even the CCM V PG played after 10 got 64K
Ratings Newcastle figure not out yet ...
Round 7
22 November 2013 Brisbane Roar v Western Sydney Wanderers Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane SBS 168k Foxsports 106k
23 November 2013 Sydney FC v Wellington Phoenix Allianz Stadium, Sydney 60k
23 November 2013 Melbourne Victory v Adelaide United Etihad Stadium, Melbourne 113k
23 November 2013 Perth Glory v Central Coast Mariners nib Stadium, Perth 64k
TBH have no idea what FFA think and what the future plans are ... however you guys hold the title over a number of years of having the lowest away crowds and the lowest Australian Fox ratings... No idea what ratings you bring in from NZ ... either for the Nix's and other matches...
What does it all mean ... I have NFI ... except to say the NZ protector has to leave his chairman's role with two years [I think] and FFA want a 100 million dollar media deal next time... meaning I guess everyone will be expected to grow the game and the belief in Australia is that growth will occur because of increasing technical skills by players and coaches on the park ... see the WSW V Roar match and what AU are trying to do...
Maybe the Nix's should do a SFC and get a technical expert in to help EM... just like SFC did for Cranky ...
Very few of us here are blaming anything on Merrick. I think we realise we are a small team and Merrick is the best coach we can get.
I doubt the FFA would kick out the 'nix. They want more teams not less and there are no soccer markets in Australia who are really crying out for a team. If they did want more Aussie teams they would just extend the comp not kick us out. I doubt we offer a lot to the A-League but we surely don't make it any worse?
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In a league which has a small salary cap .... the choice of coach and forward planning to replacing a coach will decide where teams finish... EM was let go by MV because he was considered not capable of coaching at A-League level... it always concerned me that after the so called world wide search [over some months] how the Nix's board choose a coach that every other club's tho was not at A-League standard any-more ...
I hope I am wrong and EM leads the Nix's to the finals ... however away crowds and Australian TV ratings HHHMMMmmmm well the Nix's ... lets see some facts ... SFC normally rate over 90K and Saturday ratings are mostly over 100 K and if a SFC, MV, Roar, WSW play on Saturday night often 100 + ... the SFC V Nix [remembering SFC were going for their 3 win, and SFC fans liking winners] ... crowd 14 K and ratings of 60K ... even the CCM V PG played after 10 got 64K
Ratings Newcastle figure not out yet ...
Round 7
22 November 2013 Brisbane Roar v Western Sydney Wanderers Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane SBS 168k Foxsports 106k
23 November 2013 Sydney FC v Wellington Phoenix Allianz Stadium, Sydney 60k
23 November 2013 Melbourne Victory v Adelaide United Etihad Stadium, Melbourne 113k
23 November 2013 Perth Glory v Central Coast Mariners nib Stadium, Perth 64k
TBH have no idea what FFA think and what the future plans are ... however you guys hold the title over a number of years of having the lowest away crowds and the lowest Australian Fox ratings... No idea what ratings you bring in from NZ ... either for the Nix's and other matches...
What does it all mean ... I have NFI ... except to say the NZ protector has to leave his chairman's role with two years [I think] and FFA want a 100 million dollar media deal next time... meaning I guess everyone will be expected to grow the game and the belief in Australia is that growth will occur because of increasing technical skills by players and coaches on the park ... see the WSW V Roar match and what AU are trying to do...
Maybe the Nix's should do a SFC and get a technical expert in to help EM... just like SFC did for Cranky ...
Very few of us here are blaming anything on Merrick. I think we realise we are a small team and Merrick is the best coach we can get.
I doubt the FFA would kick out the 'nix. They want more teams not less and there are no soccer markets in Australia who are really crying out for a team. If they did want more Aussie teams they would just extend the comp not kick us out. I doubt we offer a lot to the A-League but we surely don't make it any worse?
I seem to recall Nix games here got around 50k viewers. Cant find a recent source though. Its a pretty big chunk that they would be giving up as interest in tv rights would go way down with no NZ team. Always an danger they would try to relocate it though.
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I seem to recall Nix games here got around 50k viewers. Cant find a recent source though. Its a pretty big chunk that they would be giving up as interest in tv rights would go way down with no NZ team. Always an danger they would try to relocate it though.
[/quote]Would love that to be the case however my relocation even posted figures around 30 K tops in NZ ... that was on the ratings thread ...
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I seem to recall Nix games here got around 50k viewers. Cant find a recent source though. Its a pretty big chunk that they would be giving up as interest in tv rights would go way down with no NZ team. Always an danger they would try to relocate it though.
[/quote]Would love that to be the case however my relocation even posted figures around 30 K tops in NZ ... that was on the ratings thread ...
This thread?
http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/categories/news-discussion-and-football-blogging/topics/32190
which links to
http://www.throng.co.nz/2010/03/tv-ratings-7-march-2010/
Think you're looking at the wrong game, that would have been an all aussie game that got 38k.
That Phoenix game got 118,350 but I suspect it would have been in the finals which isn't really fair. Although early March 2010 to early for finals?
edit - I would also add that the Sky guy, and he may have just been talking crap since he lost the EPL rights, said Phoenix games rated higher, were at a better time, and were more important to Sky than the EPL. Of course I'm unsure why we end up on skysport 3 in that case.
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Early March 2010 was the play offs for the Nix. 2nd play off against the Jests - first one going to penalties, this one going to extra time and then Ifill scores and sprints down to the other end of the field.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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To me, Ernie's systems have never relied on a back to goal guy and I think that's in part where Stein is the odd man out. When you think about Allsopp and Archie, they just relentlessly ran at the opponents and out paced them until the ass fell out of opponents and were run off the park. Carlos gave them the ball in the right places to do that. Brockie and Stein are not speed merchants but Brockie works best from open broken play and catching the defence unaware. I think that's where Kenny (and after thinking he was gonna be huge, I have egg on my face) is probably best utilised and probably what Ernie thought was a clone of Archie. Pace, ball skill, run the ass out of the opponents and Carlos slips it to him in the right place. The difference is that Archie and Allsop popped up everywhere along the front line where Kenny is glued to the flank he is put on and tries to out foot race opponents from positions where he gives himself no room to do so and probably does not have the footwork trickery other than 'I can run'. Ifill can do that but is in the body of geriatric with matching pace. If you combined Ifill and Kenny, you have the player that makes Ernie's system work - a clone of Archie.
Isn't Archie older than Ifill?
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Your 2010 link was a one off and a final I think ... http://www.throng.co.nz/2010/03/tv-ratings-7-march-2010/
There is a weekly crowd and ratings thread ... has been running weekly for Hal's 8 & 9 to date ... http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/categories/news-discussion-and-football-blogging/topics/attendances-2012-13-season
If you can get the rating please please post them... it's not like they have not been requested or it is a thread with no one reading...
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