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FFA vs The Fans: the thread of continued incompetence

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over 10 years ago

As I have said before the breach of confidentiality in this is the worst issue in my eyes followed closely by the General incompetence of the FFA.

To a large extent, The RBB, North Terrace and the Cove are reaping what they have sown or allowed to be sown.  Who amongst us here were not crying out for something to be done when Flares were being lit, Fights in the street outside grounds, intimidation of other fans sitting having a quiet meal.

Yes the FFA's process is flawed and it may be few of the 198 named have been named incorrectly and that is not desirable, but, why did the Leadership of the RBB not root out the troublemakers, the flare lighters etc instead of turning a blind eye and even encouraging that behaviour.  They chose not to act at a time when they could have.

Yes I feel sorry for those innocents caught up in this but they have their means of redress in this issue and those that are truly innocent will be abble to do so and if they have suffered reputational damage as a result, again they have means of redress. 

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over 10 years ago
It's NOT only one article. Get informed. Do some research.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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over 10 years ago
A risk management company!!! Oh my! Talk about 'opening your mouth and removing all doubt!'. There's this thing called Google. Do some research about Hatamoto.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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over 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

To a large extent, The RBB, North Terrace and the Cove are reaping what they have sown or allowed to be sown.  Who amongst us here were not crying out for something to be done when Flares were being lit, Fights in the street outside grounds, intimidation of other fans sitting having a quiet meal.

Yes the FFA's process is flawed and it may be few of the 198 named have been named incorrectly and that is not desirable.

Not desirable?

Its flat out wrong.  At least one person lost their job over this.

If one innocent person loses their job and their career turns upside down so they struggle to feed their family and pay rent because they bought a house they could afford at the time then that's all kinds of fudgeed up.

Genuinely answer this question.  If you went to a Phoenix match, and Patrick hit Brandon next to you, and security guards accidentally pointed you out instead of Patrick, and you got banned, and then your name, photo and the violent crime you were accused of was put in the news paper, and then you lost your job because you were a "hooligan", would you honestly keep the same attitude?  That Yellow Fever should have self policed and its just not desirable?  Would you take the consequences on the chin?

What if you contacted the FFA several times and they told you they don't have to follow natural justice and you cant appeal it?  

How would you prove that you weren't the person who did it?  If you weren't on any cameras at the time, and you were standing next to them but with no buddies with you at the time?  What if you didn't know anyone else in the zone and as such didn't know who to cal on for witnesses, which probably wouldn't be enough evidence for the FFA anyway.

Everyone here is opposing the innocent victims who have been named and shamed, and the fact that the FFA have denied any attempt to overturn a decision in the past.

Those are literally the only issues that I've seen being addressed.  NP has basically done a JK and said that if you support the innocent victims on the list, then you support everyone on the list.  

As far as I have seen the fever people have only been pissed off at the process which hasn't allowed innocent victims to get out of a sharkty situation.

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over 10 years ago

Drunk_Monk wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

To a large extent, The RBB, North Terrace and the Cove are reaping what they have sown or allowed to be sown.  Who amongst us here were not crying out for something to be done when Flares were being lit, Fights in the street outside grounds, intimidation of other fans sitting having a quiet meal.

Yes the FFA's process is flawed and it may be few of the 198 named have been named incorrectly and that is not desirable.

Not desirable?

Its flat out wrong.  At least one person lost their job over this.

If one innocent person loses their job and their career turns upside down so they struggle to feed their family and pay rent because they bought a house they could afford at the time then that's all kinds of fudgeed up.

Genuinely answer this question.  If you went to a Phoenix match, and Patrick hit Brandon next to you, and security guards accidentally pointed you out instead of Patrick, and you got banned, and then your name, photo and the violent crime you were accused of was put in the news paper, and then you lost your job because you were a "hooligan", would you honestly keep the same attitude?  That Yellow Fever should have self policed and its just not desirable?  Would you take the consequences on the chin?

What if you contacted the FFA several times and they told you they don't have to follow natural justice and you cant appeal it?  

How would you prove that you weren't the person who did it?  If you weren't on any cameras at the time, and you were standing next to them but with no buddies with you at the time?  What if you didn't know anyone else in the zone and as such didn't know who to cal on for witnesses, which probably wouldn't be enough evidence for the FFA anyway.

Everyone here is opposing the innocent victims who have been named and shamed, and the fact that the FFA have denied any attempt to overturn a decision in the past.

Those are literally the only issues that I've seen being addressed.  NP has basically done a JK and said that if you support the innocent victims on the list, then you support everyone on the list.  

As far as I have seen the fever people have only been pissed off at the process which hasn't allowed innocent victims to get out of a sharkty situation.

No of course I would not take it on the Chin. 

First stop would be to engage appropriate Legal representation. If the FFA have no appeals process then it would be through every court in the land if necessary, to follow all remedies available, including damages for defamation if that was the case. 

The difference in the Fever is that not every person would have been looking the other way when the trouble occurred.

The FFA is not the highest court in the land. There are many options available for those who have a case.

Lastly I would find Patrick and kick the living shark outta him!

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over 10 years ago

bwtcf wrote:
A risk management company!!!

Oh my!

Talk about 'opening your mouth and removing all doubt!'. There's this thing called Google. Do some research about Hatamoto.

I take it from your response that you don't know anything about risk management or what a risk management company does? I can tell you are frothing at the mouth, just have a smoke and a lie down and don't get so excited, you will burst a blood vessel. Lighten up man......
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over 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Drunk_Monk wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

To a large extent, The RBB, North Terrace and the Cove are reaping what they have sown or allowed to be sown.  Who amongst us here were not crying out for something to be done when Flares were being lit, Fights in the street outside grounds, intimidation of other fans sitting having a quiet meal.

Yes the FFA's process is flawed and it may be few of the 198 named have been named incorrectly and that is not desirable.

Not desirable?

Its flat out wrong.  At least one person lost their job over this.

If one innocent person loses their job and their career turns upside down so they struggle to feed their family and pay rent because they bought a house they could afford at the time then that's all kinds of fudgeed up.

Genuinely answer this question.  If you went to a Phoenix match, and Patrick hit Brandon next to you, and security guards accidentally pointed you out instead of Patrick, and you got banned, and then your name, photo and the violent crime you were accused of was put in the news paper, and then you lost your job because you were a "hooligan", would you honestly keep the same attitude?  That Yellow Fever should have self policed and its just not desirable?  Would you take the consequences on the chin?

What if you contacted the FFA several times and they told you they don't have to follow natural justice and you cant appeal it?  

How would you prove that you weren't the person who did it?  If you weren't on any cameras at the time, and you were standing next to them but with no buddies with you at the time?  What if you didn't know anyone else in the zone and as such didn't know who to cal on for witnesses, which probably wouldn't be enough evidence for the FFA anyway.

Everyone here is opposing the innocent victims who have been named and shamed, and the fact that the FFA have denied any attempt to overturn a decision in the past.

Those are literally the only issues that I've seen being addressed.  NP has basically done a JK and said that if you support the innocent victims on the list, then you support everyone on the list.  

As far as I have seen the fever people have only been pissed off at the process which hasn't allowed innocent victims to get out of a sharkty situation.

No of course I would not take it on the Chin. 

First stop would be to engage appropriate Legal representation. If the FFA have no appeals process then it would be through every court in the land if necessary, to follow all remedies available, including damages for defamation if that was the case. 

The difference in the Fever is that not every person would have been looking the other way when the trouble occurred.

The FFA is not the highest court in the land. There are many options available for those who have a case.

Lastly I would find Patrick and kick the living shark outta him!

People have appealed in court and won, the FFA still don't have to take them off that list.

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Drunk_Monk wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

To a large extent, The RBB, North Terrace and the Cove are reaping what they have sown or allowed to be sown.  Who amongst us here were not crying out for something to be done when Flares were being lit, Fights in the street outside grounds, intimidation of other fans sitting having a quiet meal.

Yes the FFA's process is flawed and it may be few of the 198 named have been named incorrectly and that is not desirable.

Not desirable?

Its flat out wrong.  At least one person lost their job over this.

If one innocent person loses their job and their career turns upside down so they struggle to feed their family and pay rent because they bought a house they could afford at the time then that's all kinds of fudgeed up.

Genuinely answer this question.  If you went to a Phoenix match, and Patrick hit Brandon next to you, and security guards accidentally pointed you out instead of Patrick, and you got banned, and then your name, photo and the violent crime you were accused of was put in the news paper, and then you lost your job because you were a "hooligan", would you honestly keep the same attitude?  That Yellow Fever should have self policed and its just not desirable?  Would you take the consequences on the chin?

What if you contacted the FFA several times and they told you they don't have to follow natural justice and you cant appeal it?  

How would you prove that you weren't the person who did it?  If you weren't on any cameras at the time, and you were standing next to them but with no buddies with you at the time?  What if you didn't know anyone else in the zone and as such didn't know who to cal on for witnesses, which probably wouldn't be enough evidence for the FFA anyway.

Everyone here is opposing the innocent victims who have been named and shamed, and the fact that the FFA have denied any attempt to overturn a decision in the past.

Those are literally the only issues that I've seen being addressed.  NP has basically done a JK and said that if you support the innocent victims on the list, then you support everyone on the list.  

As far as I have seen the fever people have only been pissed off at the process which hasn't allowed innocent victims to get out of a sharkty situation.

No of course I would not take it on the Chin. 

First stop would be to engage appropriate Legal representation. If the FFA have no appeals process then it would be through every court in the land if necessary, to follow all remedies available, including damages for defamation if that was the case. 

The difference in the Fever is that not every person would have been looking the other way when the trouble occurred.

The FFA is not the highest court in the land. There are many options available for those who have a case.

Lastly I would find Patrick and kick the living shark outta him!

People have appealed in court and won, the FFA still don't have to take them off that list.

Well then you take them to court again. Judges do not take kindly to their rulings being ignored
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over 10 years ago

Perhaps add this topic to 1. Politics and 2. Religion as things you shouldn't discuss at a dinner party. Neither side is going to convince the other on this. Move on shall we? 

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

I see Giddy up Gallop is being a defiant cnut over this, you have to prove your innocence rather than they have to prove your guilt. Just about a breach of rights in any civilised country. Needs a Darryl Herragin to take them on under the Marbo Law.

Mods, can you change the word cnut and its derivatives be modded to come out as "Gallop" please. It was this defiance that saw him arseholed from the NRL.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 10 years ago

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/01/da...

“That’s part of the growth strategy of this sport. The growth strategy of this sport is to grow our numbers, build on that unique atmosphere that we all find so wonderful when we go to an A-League game.

“But let’s do it in a way that’s safe for everyone who wants to go. We love the atmosphere at A-League games. Let’s celebrate that atmosphere because it’s unique in Australian sport.”


You mean ...like at Nix games?

smeghead.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 10 years ago

...and if you came on to the front foot and pointed out that in fact millions go every year to games and are perfectly safe or that families have been stating everywhere that they feel safer at the A-League than at AFL or NRL then maybe the media would have a different dialogue.

A statement saying we have a process to get these people out unlike other sports.

Any idiot could have come with a way to come out of that meeting gicing an indication you know what is going wrong with the A-League and you are looking to fix it.  He embarrassed the league and the sport.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 10 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

I see Giddy up Gallop is being a defiant cnut over this, you have to prove your innocence rather than they have to prove your guilt. Just about a breach of rights in any civilised country. Needs a Darryl Herragin to take them on under the Marbo Law.

Mods, can you change the word cnut and its derivatives be modded to come out as "Gallop" please. It was this defiance that saw him arseholed from the NRL.

The Aussies ride rough shot over human rights issues in fact I stand to be corrected but I do not recall them having any "Bill Of Rights" legislation. Probably because they would then have to treat the Aborigines as humans.

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over 10 years ago

Genuine question to Gallop:  Why are you such a cod?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 10 years ago

Pretty clever plan by the NRL power brokers to give the FFA Gallop so he can really stuff things up.Their master plan couldnt be working better.

He always was an arrogant S.O.B

 After some of the comments on here dont be surprised to some YF people added to the list.LOL


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 10 years ago

My name is sparticus...and so is my wife Mr Gallop....and so too are 6,000 other Nix supporters

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Drunk_Monk wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

To a large extent, The RBB, North Terrace and the Cove are reaping what they have sown or allowed to be sown.  Who amongst us here were not crying out for something to be done when Flares were being lit, Fights in the street outside grounds, intimidation of other fans sitting having a quiet meal.

Yes the FFA's process is flawed and it may be few of the 198 named have been named incorrectly and that is not desirable.

Not desirable?

Its flat out wrong.  At least one person lost their job over this.

If one innocent person loses their job and their career turns upside down so they struggle to feed their family and pay rent because they bought a house they could afford at the time then that's all kinds of fudgeed up.

Genuinely answer this question.  If you went to a Phoenix match, and Patrick hit Brandon next to you, and security guards accidentally pointed you out instead of Patrick, and you got banned, and then your name, photo and the violent crime you were accused of was put in the news paper, and then you lost your job because you were a "hooligan", would you honestly keep the same attitude?  That Yellow Fever should have self policed and its just not desirable?  Would you take the consequences on the chin?

What if you contacted the FFA several times and they told you they don't have to follow natural justice and you cant appeal it?  

How would you prove that you weren't the person who did it?  If you weren't on any cameras at the time, and you were standing next to them but with no buddies with you at the time?  What if you didn't know anyone else in the zone and as such didn't know who to cal on for witnesses, which probably wouldn't be enough evidence for the FFA anyway.

Everyone here is opposing the innocent victims who have been named and shamed, and the fact that the FFA have denied any attempt to overturn a decision in the past.

Those are literally the only issues that I've seen being addressed.  NP has basically done a JK and said that if you support the innocent victims on the list, then you support everyone on the list.  

As far as I have seen the fever people have only been pissed off at the process which hasn't allowed innocent victims to get out of a sharkty situation.

No of course I would not take it on the Chin. 

First stop would be to engage appropriate Legal representation. If the FFA have no appeals process then it would be through every court in the land if necessary, to follow all remedies available, including damages for defamation if that was the case. 

The difference in the Fever is that not every person would have been looking the other way when the trouble occurred.

The FFA is not the highest court in the land. There are many options available for those who have a case.

Lastly I would find Patrick and kick the living shark outta him!

People have appealed in court and won, the FFA still don't have to take them off that list.

Well then you take them to court again. Judges do not take kindly to their rulings being ignored

Going to court is time consuming and expensive, most people just don't have the resources or energy.

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over 10 years ago

How does this all work out for the 'Nix? A bit of a worry...



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over 10 years ago

bwtcf wrote:
It's NOT only one article. Get informed. Do some research.

A risk management company!!!  Oh my!  Talk about 'opening your mouth and removing all doubt!'. There's this thing called Google. Do some research about Hatamoto.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Going to court is time consuming and expensive, most people just don't have the resources or energy.

Well that's an obvious barrier to entry to going to court over and over again.  

I'm sure southern Jeff and NP both know that so I think what they are saying there is: It doesn't matter if you don't have the time because you have a job or family commitments, or the money because you have bills to pay, you just do it anyway because then its your fault when your name gets leaked.  

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over 10 years ago

martinb wrote:

How does this all work out for the 'Nix? A bit of a worry...

I can see this from two other angles.

1) it is hard enough for us to get people to walk in in the first place.

2 ) just get the camera crew to focus on the empty ends if the ground or have all the fans move from the main stand to the ends of the ground so that the main stand looks empty.

I dont plan on driving 800 miles just to walk out and then drive 800 miles more...- sounds like a Roly song

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 10 years ago
Relax, we won't be walking out.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Think most amazing is this list by Kevin Airs to show how much has gone wrong under their 'leadership' in the last year.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/opinion-looking...

Now sure you can agrue that Perth breaking the salary cap isn't their fault, but it happen under their watch and they didn't manage it or put something in place (audit all teams) before it happen. Lack of marquee is about the only one you could probably not blame them for as really that is the clubs to bring a player in.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 10 years ago

bwtcf wrote:
Relax, I won't be walking out.

Fixed

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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over 10 years ago

I'm so jealous of the MLS. That's how a franchise football competition across two countries in a highly competitive sports market should be run. The FFA started out heading in the right direction with the A League but they've careened way off course now. The sad thing is with Gallop and Lowy Jr in there there is no way that there'll ever be meaningful reform. They will just continue to blame WelNix and the fans of all clubs for the state of the league until the entire edifice comes crashing down around them.

I'm now not only concerned that the Nix could be booted from the A League, but also worried that even if we aren't the whole competition will fold in a few years time anyway.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

Yakcall wrote:

Think most amazing is this list by Kevin Airs to show how much has gone wrong under their 'leadership' in the last year.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/opinion-looking...

Now sure you can agrue that Perth breaking the salary cap isn't their fault, but it happen under their watch and they didn't manage it or put something in place (audit all teams) before it happen. Lack of marquee is about the only one you could probably not blame them for as really that is the clubs to bring a player in.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the FFA subsidises high profile marquees and is involved in the negotiations.

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Think most amazing is this list by Kevin Airs to show how much has gone wrong under their 'leadership' in the last year.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/opinion-looking...

Now sure you can argue that Perth breaking the salary cap isn't their fault, but it happen under their watch and they didn't manage it or put something in place (audit all teams) before it happen. Lack of marquee is about the only one you could probably not blame them for as really that is the clubs to bring a player in.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the FFA subsidises high profile marquees and is involved in the negotiations.

Oh ok, then yes they haven't helped bring anymore to the league in the last year.
I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 10 years ago

Anyway you know that something is severely askew when I find myself agreeing with Kevin Airs, I stopped listening to the 442 podcast because of him.

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over 10 years ago

ballane wrote:

Pretty clever plan by the NRL power brokers to give the FFA Gallop so he can really stuff things up.Their master plan couldnt be working better.

He always was an arrogant S.O.B

 After some of the comments on here dont be surprised to some YF people added to the list.LOL

I had just finished working in Rugby League when Gallop left.   There were very few tears shed.

It came as a huge surprise when he was announced as the head honcho of football and many Rugby League people shook their heads in disbelief.

The chickens have come home to roost. 

Don't piss off old people - the older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent                    

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over 10 years ago

Lowy actually tried to get Gallop when O'Neill left but failed.

As an aside, if you want to learn more about the Aleague/FFA then read this book - it's very informative, especially if you're after more knowledge of the Aussie football environment, and how toxic it's been for many years.

E + R + O

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

press conference 4pm today NZT. I have run out of popcorn at this point. 


Allegedly

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over 10 years ago

Just for a moment imagine the press conference today with Lowy announcing Gallop's resignation, and TP to replace at FFA. 

I know that it will not happen. But just imagine...

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