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I've been trying to get on to the live ZB radio on line but have had no luck,incl the Radio Sport live coverage of last Wed's game. I clicked on your first link which brought me a list that ended at Fri Aug 08. No Sat 9 listings there mate. Rang ZB & they say there's a blanket ban for on-line outside of NZ. I'm in Sydney.
Now I've clicked on your second link & I have The Phoenix Hour! What the f**k's going on?
Traitor2008-08-09 17:26:04"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert
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as per post on lochy topic, i don't know how long after the phoenix hour it gets loaded up - LF1 will know
Man u fan, best i don't try to paraphrase Tony P's comments, i can't really remember how he put things and because it's an issue that has raised a bit of interest i reckon it's best if the club view is presented as accurately as possible
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all good, i heard all the comments - things sound very positive
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About time someone has the balls to come out and say what he has said! Agree with most of what he said. How can you say if the Phoenix had 5 of the Under 23 players instead of players like Lia, Jeremy Christie, Ferrante etc they would get spanked! No chance these Under 23 players are good enough without being pros if they were in pro set ups they would be even better! How come every time the Phoenix play the NZ Under 20s or 23's although in pre season they cant beat them? I go as far as saying this Olywhite team with Nelsen, Killen and Elliot would go close to beating the All Whites without those 3!
Agree with your point. The problem for the Phoenix is that they can't afford to take chances on players who are largely unproven in an A-League environment.
Whilst it's all very romantic for Nelsen to wax lyrical about having young kiwis in the squad, it just isn't always feasible for them to take these players on.
The Phoenix's first obligation is to win matches, and try to win the league. They're not a charity case, they are a professional club and should be run as such.
If you get the opportunity to sign players like Durante, McKain and Kwasnik - you're always going to take them over guys from the U23's - purely because they are proven at that level.
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For my 2 cents worth, when have the Nix been responsible for the rest of NZ football?? Are they not a club side called The Wellington Phoenix?? Their first responsibility is to ensure the success and survival of the club. Sure in time they will establish training centers to get potential players of the future developed for the betterment of The Wellington Phoenix. If this has a flow on effect for the rest of NZ football then so be it.
My thoughts on Wynton Rufer are well known, but I say, at least he put his money where his mouth was and established his own academys. Will Ryan Nelson be setting up something similar? Better to lead by example Ryan. A player of stature within the game in New Zealand. If he thinks the Wellington Phoenix and Football NZ have been neglecting the game, then I suggest he try and rectify it.
Having said all this. The Wellington Phoenix have already got the games popularity increasing. Young players of the future now have local idols to look up to. They know that they too might play professional football even in NZ rather than having to travel all over the globe to succeed.
The Wellington Phoenix have been a positive promotion of the game in this country. It is not their responsibility to make sure the rest of NZ turns out successful players, but through their own systems currently being looked at setting-up/established, the rest of NZ football may well benefiit. Win Win for everyone.
I think Ryan Nelson has either been ill-informed or is out of touch with just what is going on in this country. Perhaps a visit home might improve things. He is in a position where he can make a difference himself, if he chooses to put his money where his mouth is and follow someone like Wynton Rufers example wih his academy's.
Some see his comments in the press as a positive to get everyone talking. I feel though that it is negative talking. We have football teams at the Olympics everyone is getting behind and a professional team in NZ that is looking very good. It's looking positive. This is where our focus needs to be right now.
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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For my 2 cents worth, when have the Nix been responsible for the rest of NZ football?? Are they not a club side called The Wellington Phoenix?? Their first responsibility is to ensure the success and survival of the club. Sure in time they will establish training centers to get potential players of the future developed for the betterment of The Wellington Phoenix. If this has a flow on effect for the rest of NZ football then so be it.
My thoughts on Wynton Rufer are well known, but I say, at least he put his money where his mouth was and established his own academys. Will Ryan Nelson be setting up something similar? Better to lead by example Ryan. A player of stature within the game in New Zealand. If he thinks the Wellington Phoenix and Football NZ have been neglecting the game, then I suggest he try and rectify it.
Having said all this. The Wellington Phoenix have already got the games popularity increasing. Young players of the future now have local idols to look up to. They know that they too might play professional football even in NZ rather than having to travel all over the globe to succeed.
The Wellington Phoenix have been a positive promotion of the game in this country. It is not their responsibility to make sure the rest of NZ turns out successful players, but through their own systems currently being looked at setting-up/established, the rest of NZ football may well benefiit. Win Win for everyone.
I think Ryan Nelson has either been ill-informed or is out of touch with just what is going on in this country. Perhaps a visit home might improve things. He is in a position where he can make a difference himself, if he chooses to put his money where his mouth is and follow someone like Wynton Rufers example wih his academy's.
Some see his comments in the press as a positive to get everyone talking. I feel though that it is negative talking. We have football teams at the Olympics everyone is getting behind and a professional team in NZ that is looking very good. It's looking positive. This is where our focus needs to be right now.
He was back in NZ about a month ago visiting family in CHCH. (from memory)
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Spending time with family is a personal thing. I was more thinking along the lines of seeing what was happening in football.
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Yea disappointing about the negativity of it. The phoenix are still a very young club and possibly as time progresses they will obtain more young Kiwis but now I think that it is better to prioritise laying a solid foundation for the Phoenix, because to be fair we don't want a disaster like the Kingz or Knights again.
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Well i'm sure we've all got something to say on this so why not through my hat into it!!!
What i've taken from this is that Nelson is indicating long term that he'd be interested in developing our talent/working for NZF, if not he should be. Can you imagine what he'd be able to give back, I think he's got the potential to follow in Herbet's footsteps big time!!!
Good on him for saying something, I hate the way our athletes get gagged. Apart from Ali Williams, that guy will say ANYTHING!!! brumbys2008-08-09 18:51:04
What i've taken from this is that Nelson is indicating long term that he'd be interested in developing our talent/working for NZF, if not he should be. Can you imagine what he'd be able to give back, I think he's got the potential to follow in Herbet's footsteps big time!!!
Good on him for saying something, I hate the way our athletes get gagged. Apart from Ali Williams, that guy will say ANYTHING!!! brumbys2008-08-09 18:51:04
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Spending time with family is a personal thing. I was more thinking along the lines of seeing what was happening in football.
it's not his job to run the sport in this country, but it is his right to comment on it.
he's doing all that we can expect from him right now by flying the flag in the premier league. would you prefer it if he stopped and took a desk job??
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.....Nelsen's comments about Ricki and NZ football probably show that the reason he hasn't been playing for the All Whites in the World Cup qualifiers is that he and Ricki have a crap relationship and that he probably doesn't even want to play for the side.
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making a few leaps here, perhaps?
on another matter - in terms of developing the game in NZ offering Lochy the chance to trail with an EPL club , must surely increase the motivation for many young NZ footballers
in that it offers them a sense of a career path into world football via the Phoenix (or is Ryan about to say that having NZers in the EPLs a bad thing??)
Probably is a bit of a leap, fair enough, but I'd definitely question his relationship with Ricki if he feels comfortable making the comments he has made.
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While I agree Ryan seems out of touch, I would have to question whether he is just a mouthpiece for a certain coach who was let go by the Phoenix and he is spending time with at the moment.
Selection of one player over another will always bring out different opinions, but we should look past a few recent games and trust that the coaches know what type of player they want.
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Well said Wolfman, KTBW and axmfc. Basically agree with you all.
Heres a bit of maths. Max squad of 23. By my count we already have 10 current/contenders for senior AW places (Moss, Paston, Siggy, Plodder, Lochhead, Brown, Mulligan, Bertos, Smeltz, Coveny)(well maybe not Covs). If we take RN literally and add 4/5 U20s and U23s then we would be up to 18-20. Is he really saying that we should have a max of 3-5 foreigners? Or is the beef that we are hiring senior not junior AWs?
Frankly, having a credible, entertaining local professional team is the best thing that can happen for NZ football. And lets face it, that hung in the balance until very recently. To do so needs a core of seasoned players. Surely the decision to go initially for proven performers was the right one.
I've little doubt that we will see more emerging NZ playes over time. The Phoenix are a natural portal for them, and mgmt has every incentive to use this source of talent. But, quite apart from absense of a reserve team, it needs an established base to feed them into. Get successful then introduce youth. The spectre of throwing too many youngsters at once into a failing team doesn't bear thinking about. This is only season two, it will sort itself out.
Must say though that performance of the Olympic team has been impressive. Draws with Phoenix and China, wins vs Mariners and and Chile are to be applauded. I, as a Phoenix supporter, would love to see some of that talent inside our tent.
Heres a bit of maths. Max squad of 23. By my count we already have 10 current/contenders for senior AW places (Moss, Paston, Siggy, Plodder, Lochhead, Brown, Mulligan, Bertos, Smeltz, Coveny)(well maybe not Covs). If we take RN literally and add 4/5 U20s and U23s then we would be up to 18-20. Is he really saying that we should have a max of 3-5 foreigners? Or is the beef that we are hiring senior not junior AWs?
Frankly, having a credible, entertaining local professional team is the best thing that can happen for NZ football. And lets face it, that hung in the balance until very recently. To do so needs a core of seasoned players. Surely the decision to go initially for proven performers was the right one.
I've little doubt that we will see more emerging NZ playes over time. The Phoenix are a natural portal for them, and mgmt has every incentive to use this source of talent. But, quite apart from absense of a reserve team, it needs an established base to feed them into. Get successful then introduce youth. The spectre of throwing too many youngsters at once into a failing team doesn't bear thinking about. This is only season two, it will sort itself out.
Must say though that performance of the Olympic team has been impressive. Draws with Phoenix and China, wins vs Mariners and and Chile are to be applauded. I, as a Phoenix supporter, would love to see some of that talent inside our tent.
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Im sorry how long has it been since you played for your country Ryan?
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I'm extremely disappointed by these comments, mainly because another good news NZ story has been turned into a bad one, his timing is TERRIBLE!
The fact is how qualified is he to judge the quality of these guys. He's seen them for two weeks, and in one match. I doubt he's ever seen the Phoenix play, he hasn't payed for the All Whites in 5 years, these comments are out of touch. The fact he mentions Paul Smalley, well that's just on the past. He says throw everything at the youth teams, when the mens and womens youth teams that went to world tournaments last year were some of our best prepared ever. He has no credibility on this issue having only played for NZ when it suited him i.e never.
Reg, I disagree. If he has issues bring them up privately. Geting bloody Tony Smith, who will write anything Ryan tells hi two without any kind of opposing view, is very, very unhelpful. You don't get England players coming out and having a pop at the organisation do you? But he does because he knows he can't be reprimanded because he's our best player and he'll just retire. He should be hauled over the coals for this.
And on Lochhead, he can't have it both ways. At the expense of their own season the Phoenix have hooked him up a trial. It was a PR mistake not releasing them for the start of the season, but that has been well discussed elsewhere. Isn't that a great piece of development?
I think he's well off the mark, this isn't in a biast Phoenix view, this is my view of the recent positive steps made by NZ soccer. He makes a few relevant points but in general I don't think he gets this right.james dean2008-08-09 23:10:20
The fact is how qualified is he to judge the quality of these guys. He's seen them for two weeks, and in one match. I doubt he's ever seen the Phoenix play, he hasn't payed for the All Whites in 5 years, these comments are out of touch. The fact he mentions Paul Smalley, well that's just on the past. He says throw everything at the youth teams, when the mens and womens youth teams that went to world tournaments last year were some of our best prepared ever. He has no credibility on this issue having only played for NZ when it suited him i.e never.
Reg, I disagree. If he has issues bring them up privately. Geting bloody Tony Smith, who will write anything Ryan tells hi two without any kind of opposing view, is very, very unhelpful. You don't get England players coming out and having a pop at the organisation do you? But he does because he knows he can't be reprimanded because he's our best player and he'll just retire. He should be hauled over the coals for this.
And on Lochhead, he can't have it both ways. At the expense of their own season the Phoenix have hooked him up a trial. It was a PR mistake not releasing them for the start of the season, but that has been well discussed elsewhere. Isn't that a great piece of development?
I think he's well off the mark, this isn't in a biast Phoenix view, this is my view of the recent positive steps made by NZ soccer. He makes a few relevant points but in general I don't think he gets this right.james dean2008-08-09 23:10:20
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I agreed with alot that he said, and i do ask the question what is New Zealand football doing to help promote youngg players overseas.
Alot of the tours are self funded and players have to organise trials themselves. Does NZ soccer hq promote players like Peverly and help them become pro???
And i believe the nix do have a responsibility to promote youngsters and bring them into the professional game. NZ soccer has hellped them, e.g. by allowing Herbert to have a duel coaching row. Also the club benefits from his training paid for by NZ football, although his probaly goes both ways.
Alot of people on this forum seem to be "pig headed" and react bitterly when ever anything threatens their precious nix. Yes it is a professional club, not a NZ club, but your more than happy to promote it as New Zealands club to gain more support, you lament national broadcsaters for not giving it enough coverage, even though it a "local" welly team not a New Zealand team like the Auckland warriors, who despite the Auckland in their name consider themselves to represent all of the nation.
However, in defence of the nix it is clear they want a youth set up which will help us through their efforts to align themselves with Camberra. I don't get the impression Nelsen was aware of this fact.
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I agreed with alot that he said, and i do ask the question what is New Zealand football doing to help promote youngg players overseas.
Alot of the tours are self funded and players have to organise trials themselves. Does NZ soccer hq promote players like Peverly and help them become pro???
And i believe the nix do have a responsibility to promote youngsters and bring them into the professional game. NZ soccer has hellped them, e.g. by allowing Herbert to have a duel coaching row. Also the club benefits from his training paid for by NZ football, although his probaly goes both ways.
Alot of people on this forum seem to be "pig headed" and react bitterly when ever anything threatens their precious nix. Yes it is a professional club, not a NZ club, but your more than happy to promote it as New Zealands club to gain more support, you lament national broadcsaters for not giving it enough coverage, even though it a "local" welly team not a new Zealand team like the New Zealand warriors.
However, in defence of the nix it is clear they want a youth set up which will help us through their efforts to align themselves with Camberra. I don't get the impression Nelsen was aware of this fact.
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I agreed with alot that he said, and i do ask the question what is New Zealand football doing to help promote youngg players overseas.
Alot of the tours are self funded and players have to organise trials themselves. Does NZ soccer hq promote players like Peverly and help them become pro???
And i believe the nix do have a responsibility to promote youngsters and bring them into the professional game. NZ soccer has hellped them, e.g. by allowing Herbert to have a duel coaching row. Also the club benefits from his training paid for by NZ football, although his probaly goes both ways.
Alot of people on this forum seem to be "pig headed" and react bitterly when ever anything threatens their precious nix. Yes it is a professional club, not a NZ club, but your more than happy to promote it as New Zealands club to gain more support, you lament national broadcsaters for not giving it enough coverage, even though it a "local" welly team not a New Zealand team like the Auckland warriors, who despite the Auckland in their name consider themselves to represent all of the nation.
However, in defence of the nix it is clear they want a youth set up which will help us through their efforts to align themselves with Camberra. I don't get the impression Nelsen was aware of this fact.
Nice one Cosimo I'll add an Oink to that as well, Touchme Its called supporting your team.
James Dean good post as ever nicely put.
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So one can't support ones team and ones nation, even when the two are so inter linked? And anyone who says their not is having in my view a very simplistic outlook on circumstances.
I support the nix, check how often i am on here, looking at whats happening etc, but i still see the need to develop and nuture New Zealand youth.
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Look, there are some valid points in there. But do you think this is the best way to express them, isn't it disappointing that great coverage about nz has turned negative, and do you think is Ryan really qualified to comment??
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[QUOTE=TouchMe] I agreed with alot that he said, and i do ask the question what is New Zealand football doing to help promote youngg players overseas.
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Fair points TM, especially re NZF and youth.
And yes, the Phoenix should be playing a part in football's development within NZ - I think that was the whole point in originally bidding to get an NZ team into Australia with the Kingz. However, as I've already said, it's going to take time. Remember, this is a club that is only 1 year old. And it's not as though there was a solid foundation inherited from the 8 years of Kingz and Knights.
As others have pointed out, almost 50% of the squad are Kiwis (10/23 was quoted earlier) which is a good start. They may not be Olympic age, but they are local.
What people should not expect is for the Phoenix to be a magic cure for NZ football. The Nix are part of the NZ Football machine, not the other way around.
Alot of the tours are self funded and players have to organise trials themselves. Does NZ soccer hq promote players like Peverly and help them become pro???
And i believe the nix do have a responsibility to promote youngsters and bring them into the professional game. NZ soccer has hellped them, e.g. by allowing Herbert to have a duel coaching row. Also the club benefits from his training paid for by NZ football, although his probaly goes both ways.
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Fair points TM, especially re NZF and youth.
And yes, the Phoenix should be playing a part in football's development within NZ - I think that was the whole point in originally bidding to get an NZ team into Australia with the Kingz. However, as I've already said, it's going to take time. Remember, this is a club that is only 1 year old. And it's not as though there was a solid foundation inherited from the 8 years of Kingz and Knights.
As others have pointed out, almost 50% of the squad are Kiwis (10/23 was quoted earlier) which is a good start. They may not be Olympic age, but they are local.
What people should not expect is for the Phoenix to be a magic cure for NZ football. The Nix are part of the NZ Football machine, not the other way around.
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TMe the fact that tours are self funded has nothing to do with the Phoenix and isn't going to chnge ay time soon. The money isn't there
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Look at the healthy debate that this has created! I do seem to remember though that last year when the Nix kicked off that a lot of TW Youth players trained with the Nix for quite a while to make up numbers and that early this year had a session with Wgton Coll, it was in the DomPost and if this isn't helping to develop youth and the profile of football I'm buggered if I know what is. At the moment we need a succesful side or as previously stated, we will end up being like our Auckland predecessor and look at the profile we got from that, sl*gged every week. It is NZF's job to develop youth football in NZ, not the Phoenix, but in seeing what it has done for Wgton and NZ Football as a whole it's bloody amazing. This is development on a different scale. If it wasn't for the Nix you wouldn't even have a forum to discuss this as we have with Yellow Fever.
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What did Tony P say on radio, for those of us who missed it?
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which seems a pretty accurate record of the score at this stage
Wryan witty response....great see pundemonium being brought to mainstream threads.
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Phoenix do the job for New Zealand football by being successful and giving kids something to aspire to, lifting profile of the game etc. They don't have to provide an opportunity for anyone.
If he wants to be consistent, Ryan Nelsen should consider the development of English players by giving up his spot at Blackburn to a developing English player. I'm sure however the Blackburn fans would prefer him to stay and get them as high up the league as they can get.
Clubs should be able to sign who they want, they're paying the wages after all.
New Zealand football should be developing players, and as far as Wellington goes, it might help if they get to play occasionally, my team hasn't had a game for two months!!
If he wants to be consistent, Ryan Nelsen should consider the development of English players by giving up his spot at Blackburn to a developing English player. I'm sure however the Blackburn fans would prefer him to stay and get them as high up the league as they can get.
Clubs should be able to sign who they want, they're paying the wages after all.
New Zealand football should be developing players, and as far as Wellington goes, it might help if they get to play occasionally, my team hasn't had a game for two months!!
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Me? I don't really give a sh*t about what Nelsen has to say about NZ Football or the Phoenix.
Because in both instances his opinion is uninformed. He doesn't play for the All Whites or the "Nix and he has been with the Oly Whites for 2 minutes. He has abviously misjudged the standard of the "A" League and has seriously harmed his relationship with many fans and supporters in this country. He should be apologising for being a twat and speaking out of turn. I feel he has abused his position as a respected high acheiving footballer who the media portray as a mouth piece for NZ Football. Given the tone of his comments I feel he has assumed that he is speaking on my behalf. He is not. Given his status in the game he should have thought more carefully about the fallout from any comments he makes before making them.
My other concern with all of this is that the Phoenix viability relies on the generosity of one man, Terry Serepisos. He is more of a legend in this country in terms of Football than Ryan Nelsen, at the moment, because of what he is trying to achieve with the Phoenix setup. For Nelsen to inadvertenly undermine this with a few thoughless comments is deplorable. Next time he is home in Christchurch I hope his mother gives him a good cuff across the ear and tells him to pull his head in, because that is what he needs to do. Where is his responsibility to the game in all of this?
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I'm extremely disappointed by these comments, mainly because another good news NZ story has been turned into a bad one, his timing is TERRIBLE!
The fact is how qualified is he to judge the quality of these guys. He's seen them for two weeks, and in one match. I doubt he's ever seen the Phoenix play, he hasn't payed for the All Whites in 5 years, these comments are out of touch. The fact he mentions Paul Smalley, well that's just on the past. He says throw everything at the youth teams, when the mens and womens youth teams that went to world tournaments last year were some of our best prepared ever. He has no credibility on this issue having only played for NZ when it suited him i.e never.
Reg, I disagree. If he has issues bring them up privately. Geting bloody Tony Smith, who will write anything Ryan tells hi two without any kind of opposing view, is very, very unhelpful. You don't get England players coming out and having a pop at the organisation do you? But he does because he knows he can't be reprimanded because he's our best player and he'll just retire. He should be hauled over the coals for this.
And on Lochhead, he can't have it both ways. At the expense of their own season the Phoenix have hooked him up a trial. It was a PR mistake not releasing them for the start of the season, but that has been well discussed elsewhere. Isn't that a great piece of development?
I think he's well off the mark, this isn't in a biast Phoenix view, this is my view of the recent positive steps made by NZ soccer. He makes a few relevant points but in general I don't think he gets this right.
The fact is how qualified is he to judge the quality of these guys. He's seen them for two weeks, and in one match. I doubt he's ever seen the Phoenix play, he hasn't payed for the All Whites in 5 years, these comments are out of touch. The fact he mentions Paul Smalley, well that's just on the past. He says throw everything at the youth teams, when the mens and womens youth teams that went to world tournaments last year were some of our best prepared ever. He has no credibility on this issue having only played for NZ when it suited him i.e never.
Reg, I disagree. If he has issues bring them up privately. Geting bloody Tony Smith, who will write anything Ryan tells hi two without any kind of opposing view, is very, very unhelpful. You don't get England players coming out and having a pop at the organisation do you? But he does because he knows he can't be reprimanded because he's our best player and he'll just retire. He should be hauled over the coals for this.
And on Lochhead, he can't have it both ways. At the expense of their own season the Phoenix have hooked him up a trial. It was a PR mistake not releasing them for the start of the season, but that has been well discussed elsewhere. Isn't that a great piece of development?
I think he's well off the mark, this isn't in a biast Phoenix view, this is my view of the recent positive steps made by NZ soccer. He makes a few relevant points but in general I don't think he gets this right.
that pretty much sums it up JD. And Nix were meant to sign a 5 wek release for Smeltz and Lochy which is ridiculous and I have change my toughts on that one too.
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I'm pleased to hear that Tony and the management have hit back, certainly clarifies a few things, particularly the Smetlz and Lochy one, they weren't likely to be picked and had to be away for 5 weeks....like I've said all along, Nelson may be the icon lad for NZ football right now but he has played how often i recent times, last games was 2004 in a losing effort against Vanawatu!
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Spending time with family is a personal thing. I was more thinking along the lines of seeing what was happening in football.
it's not his job to run the sport in this country, but it is his right to comment on it.
he's doing all that we can expect from him right now by flying the flag in the premier league. would you prefer it if he stopped and took a desk job??
He might not get carded so much at a desk! Flying the NZ flag in the EPL? Blackburn have appeared to be very happy to allow their International players play for their respective country's regardless of any fixture jams. Yet the sole case it never seems to be convenient is when NZ need him for our own WC qualifiers. Quite amazing that. Perhaps not enough pushing for release, which must have been in his contract, maybe??
The point I have been trying to make is that it is not the Wellington Phoenix's responsibility to make sure Football in wider NZ improves. Yet by doing as they are, there can well be a very good side effect on football in NZ. Currently the Wellington Phoenix profile within NZ is a very positive one. Starting from nothing they have come a long way to everyones mutual benefit.
If Nelson wants to improve football in NZ, then good on him, he could follow Rufers example when he had his academy's running.
The cold hard truth is that the Wellington Phoenix are a business enterprise, not the life support for football in this country. Yet so far to everyones benefit, The Wellington Phoenix and Football in general in NZ, are making a positive resurgence that can only be beneficial to everyone involved in the long term.
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he's doing all that we can expect from him right now by flying the flag in the premier league.� would you prefer it if he stopped and took a desk job??
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He might not get carded so much at a desk! Flying the NZ flag in the EPL? Blackburn have appeared to be very happy to allow their International players play for their respective country's regardless of any fixture jams. Yet the sole case it never seems to be convenient is when NZ need him for our own WC qualifiers. Quite amazing that. Perhaps not enough pushing for release, which must have been in his contract, maybe??
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The point I have been trying to make is that it is not the Wellington Phoenix's responsibility to make sure Football� in wider NZ improves. Yet by doing as they are, there can well be a very good side effect on football in NZ. Currently the Wellington Phoenix profile within NZ is a very positive one. Starting from nothing they have come a long way to everyones mutual benefit.
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If Nelson wants to improve football in NZ, then good on him, he could follow Rufers example when he had his academy's running.
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The cold hard truth is that the Wellington Phoenix are a business enterprise, not the life support for football in this country. Yet so far to everyones benefit, The Wellington Phoenix and Football in general in NZ, are making a positive resurgence that can only be beneficial to everyone involved in the long term.
Completely agree. I do have to say though, despite the Phoenix being first and foremost a business enterprise, as mentioned in a number of examples in previous posts in this thread, they have been contributing to the development of youth in New Zealand. I guess his idea of 'developing youth' is a bit misinformed.
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I think this could be the perfect chance for Tony P and the Phoenix to use Nelson's profile to show all the good things that they are doing for football in this country. As has been widely acknowledged, his opinions have been strongly influenced from members of the oly-whites, who have a couple of players and a coach which have been cut from the nix in the past. He has obviously not talked to anyone who are so excited about what this club offers the fans, players and game in NZ (especially WGTN).
For mine all Ryans comments show is that the nix management and ryan have a different opinion on how they can best benefit football in NZ - with ryan wanting a shorter term approach of signing up our current cop of talented youngsters, and the nix approaching it with a more sustainable approach through setting up youth academies and building a fan-base, especially with juniors
As see it the key points that show the Phoenix's approach to promoting football in NZ is the best are:
1 - The owner of the Nix is committed to footbal in NZ: the club is owned by a kiwi who plays/played grass roots football, financially supports a lot of sport and sport events, and cannot be accused of using the nix as a 'play-toy' (like some club owners are..), plus because of the money he is pumping, and his proven business record, it is obvious he is in it for the long-term
2 - They are trying to build a fan-base amongst young kiwi's: Promotions to get kids along to the games along with building a successful team will have kids wanting to watch/support/play football for generations - i have never met anyone who "was" a football fan, generally once a fan always a fan...Surely this approach is better than taking a gamble and giving some of our current crop of unproven youngsters professional contracts (insert Knights/Kingz case study)
3 - Nix are actively trying to set-up academies in NZ, and are working with FFA to have a youth team: Hence they are trying to do something for NZ's younger players but with constructive long-term solutions, not an ad-hoc heres a contract approach
4 - Nix have almost half their team as kiwi's: for a small country that does not have depth of PROVEN talent, having as many kiwis as we do without blowing our salary cap is a great situation to be in in year 2 of the club...
5 - We have aussie commentators commending a NZ team (WTF?) on how well our set up is and how strong our fanbase is...i have never heard of an aussie commending anything in NZ except our rugby union conveyor belt...
6 - the growth in local football (esp junior)
7 - the sponsors the nix have attracted (it is all money that is being spent on football in nz that would otherwise not have been...)
Does anyone know whether the nix tried to set up anything with Nelson since these comments?
I think the media would lap it up an opportunity like that if nelson, NZF and the nix were interested in having a live discussion of their views of how best to promote football in NZ... it would give the nix management a prime opportunity to blow their own trumpet and prove how much they really are doing for the footballing community in NZ (not a few talented players in the oly-whites who missed out on contracts)
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Awesome response Sealord. oh and Piney broadcasts on the radio inside the stadium on 106.4FM if you're sitting somewhere away from from the cheering etc. I often have my walkman up loud so I can hear both!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Whoa......What a great week for NZ football. First the Phoenix makes its first final, then the awesome displays by the Olympic men and women.
Then Mr Nelson wades in with his ill informed comments. Agree our disagree its certainly got football in the news.
Personally I think that Ryan, who has been away from NZ football since2004 is now in camp with the under23s. He,s obviously listening to a lot of disappointd youngsters who can,t get in the Phoenix and are having a winge. Basically he,s got most of his facts wrong.
The Phoenix is a privately owned football club whose goal is to win the A_League. There are 11 kiwis in the squad.
Perhaps now that Nr Nelson is so concerned about NZ youth develpoment he will use his contacts in the EPL to get some kiwi youngsters practice time/trials. Remember what a good job Rufer did in getting young kiwis into Germany;
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Yeh Ryan best way you can help football in New Zealand?
Lead us to the World Cup.
Then perhaps come back and finish up your career with the 'Nix in a few years time, if the body allows- the A league is getting tougher and tougher...
Great to see him on the field against China and Brazil.
Lead us to the World Cup.
Then perhaps come back and finish up your career with the 'Nix in a few years time, if the body allows- the A league is getting tougher and tougher...
Great to see him on the field against China and Brazil.
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Phoenix hit back at Ryan Nelsen
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4650771a1823.html
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Can we see Ryan playing for the AW's or Ricki herbert again after this? Maybe some of his comments were taken out of context, who knows?
His timing seemed strange given it was after game one of the Oympics. Maybe he could have waited until he was on the plane back to Blackburn
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