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Ryan Nelsen sticks the boot into the Phoenix

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Thats the worst part, it's only going to alienate him further. Just a bad all round situation...

Normo's coming home

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Dear Ryan,

I find it funny that you have made you point of view so strongly, for a bloke who shows about as much pride to New Zealand as Sonny Bill Williams you have got a cheek.
 
I know you captain a team on the EPL and you went to university in America and your really have the charisma of a dead person, but how about just going back to cold England and coming 9th in this years league. You must beome a very angry man when you know each year you have no chance of winning anything.
 
By the way congrats on your own and the teams preformance agaist Brazil...You guys showed so much pride.
 
It must be hard winning all the time...
 
Kind Regards
 
Warren Ellington
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[QUOTE=ballane]For me the worrying things are the  cracks he seems to be having at Ricky is this a forewarning that he will not be available for the WC qualifiers.
As has been stated elsewhere why has it become the Phoenix responsibility for the development of  NZ football.In an ideal world  our team would only  have  Kiwis in it  but at present that would just consign us  to  the same position  on the table as last year.
 
 
Ryan Nelsen has not played for the All Whites for years now so he won't be miss , always unavailable for some reason -   and going on last nights performance he looks short of a gallop too. 
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An open letter from Yellow Fever to Mr Nelsen inviting him to the RoF next time he's home to see how the Phoenix are developing football in NZ

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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[QUOTE=ballane]For me the worrying things are the  cracks he seems to be having at Ricky is this a forewarning that he will not be available for the WC qualifiers.
As has been stated elsewhere why has it become the Phoenix responsibility for the development of  NZ football.In an ideal world  our team would only  have  Kiwis in it  but at present that would just consign us  to  the same position  on the table as last year.
 
 
Ryan Nelsen has not played for the All Whites for years now so he won't be miss , always unavailable for some reason -   and going on last nights performance he looks short of a gallop too. 
 
I think a wee bit of perspective necessary. comments re Phoenix and a few touches against Brazil aside, he is a helluva good defender, shows that week in week out in the Premiership as he did against China. He is always missed when he doesnt play for NZ. Let's hope he and Herbert can put differences aside and Nelsen can play WC qualifiers.
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Maybe Nelsen was hinting in a not so roundabout and very puzzling way that he wanted a nix contract
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Maybe Stu Jacobs is talking to the boys in China......Get over it Stu....Professional Football is just that....You were not required...Take it like a man, instead of getting in Ryan's ear....very very weak
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Gary Abblet wrote:
Maybe Stu Jacobs is talking to the boys in China......Get over it Stu....Professional Football is just that....You were not required...Take it like a man, instead of getting in Ryan's ear....very very weak


Is that Gary Ablett??? Jnr or Snr... should we hide the stash?




E + R + O

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J nr....Come on the cats

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When you've done a three-peat come see me and I'll shout you a beer - or three... lol

Your a third of the way there... and lookin good for 66.sex% I'd have to say... can't see the Hawks doing it... I'm just bummed we've faded a bit... oh well, all good experience for a young squad!!!
E + R + O

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Maybe he doesnt know we werent aloud to have a youth team
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Gary Abblet wrote:
Maybe Stu Jacobs is talking to the boys in China......Get over it Stu....Professional Football is just that....You were not required...Take it like a man, instead of getting in Ryan's ear....very very weak

Far out.... what an accusation....
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valeo wrote:
tbh I think I actually agree. Queensland have players like Kruse, Zullo, Minniecon, Nichols, Dodd...Why don't we give a chance to any young kiwi talent? Even Costa and Draper have barely had a sniff.

Yeah they could be better now because they played in the VPL I think in the off season.


To be fair to Draper and Costa, the Queensland youngsters I think have come through the Queensland Academy of Sport so have been specifically groomed to advance to the next level.......whereas our boys have only the NZ Soccer system ...and you cant rely on getting the boys together 3 - 4 times a year (if you can afford to send them to the camps) and hope they come up to scratch....woteva????? Both boys are talented and they need to get the experience but the sooner the Phoenix are allowed to be involved with the A League Youth League the better.....chareimos2008-08-11 18:47:56
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Sorry for wading into this one late, playas.

Firstly, Ryan, how many caps have you had for your country since say oh I don't know, 2004?  I'm led to believe it's not a great deal, and I would hasten a guess that perhaps your BUSINESS career obligations to Blackburn have played some part?  So the rest of your comments kinda set you up hypocritically.  Also, and to be fair I haven't followed the Olympics that closely, but is it also not true that you won't be there for all finals if they qualify? 

You see Ryan, on one hand you're asking a professional outfit to put it's strategic interests (and frankly, for that matter Terry's own hard earned) to the backburner to feed as a development team, but your yourself are strategically alligning your career wealth maximisation to Blackburn Rovers.  I'm not one to criticise you for playing for Rovers, nor am I one to criticise Rovers for acting professionally and denying you All White caps and also not overburdening their team with second rate British players.  The fact is, the Phoenix have to be competitive on the field, if they're not the numbers will turn away, ratings will drop, sponsorship levels hence drop, and all of a sudden you've deflated a crucial element to the New Zealand football economy.  That's business.  A similar philosophy is with the Warriors, people argue that New Zealanders should occupy all the key positions - but I ask, where ARE these New Zealanders?  I'm sure, and I think the Nix have largely shown it, that if there were Kiwi options to the equivalent of their Australian/Brazilian options available they generally get the contract.  That's smart business. 

You should see the Ring of Fire, the Yellow Fever, New Zealand Football for the first time that I can remember is starting to mount a bloody strong challenge to these other codes.  That's not off the back of resounding All Whites performances, but off the back of a week in, week out, revival of a club outfit in New Zealand that is providing opportunities.  It does provide incentive.  It does serve as inspiration.  It does highlight the good elements of this great game to the New Zealand publically nationally through the media.  I can't remember the last time I saw fans THAT enthusiastic about football in New Zealand. 

The true challenge for you now Ryan is to be a man of your word, start putting the pressure on Blackburn to secure yourself more international caps, and when your contract comes up, think of the locals, don't think of your bank account and come back to the Phoenix to provide leadership and direction.  Suffice to say Ryan, I don't see either happening.  Till you're prepared to walk the talk, I don't put too much creedence in your comments.  You have your rights to serve your professional interests first, so do the Phoenix who have stakeholders and in particular investors who are hopeful of a return to answer to first and foremost.

I truly wonder if it's these bloody hardcore fans who suit up week in week out in all sorts of attire including the fabulous retro Ricky Herbert shirts or yourself who plays in the Premier League who serves more as an inspiration to people wanting to get involved in the game.  Given your position in the sport, and given I really think the Yellow Fever supporters rival their ability to inspire people into loving this sport, I think it's fair to say the Phoenix are doing a fantastic job for our code in our country.

See you back here when your next contract's up.
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my head is sore, good points tho
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wellyphoenix wrote:
I definitely agree that Ricky should resign from the All Whites and hopefully allow Stu Jacobs to take over... as shown by results a more than capable replacement. 
 
Sorry, I must be missing something. Why should Ricki resign from NZ? Has the senior AW team performed badly under him? They've won all their WC qualifiers so far haven't they?
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I agree with the conflict of agreement idea though. Ricki should resign from the All Whites and the club should compensate him for loss of earnings. He can't do both jobs. There should be breaks in the A League for international games, but the club (and the club coach) should persue the club's intersts.
 
Just to clarify - the A-League is observing the FIFA international weekend breaks from the 2008/09 season. About time too.
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The(O)Dor wrote:
Sorry for wading into this one late, playas.

Firstly, Ryan, how many caps have you had for your country since say oh I don't know, 2004?  I'm led to believe it's not a great deal, and I would hasten a guess that perhaps your BUSINESS career obligations to Blackburn have played some part?  So the rest of your comments kinda set you up hypocritically.  Also, and to be fair I haven't followed the Olympics that closely, but is it also not true that you won't be there for all finals if they qualify? 

You see Ryan, on one hand you're asking a professional outfit to put it's strategic interests (and frankly, for that matter Terry's own hard earned) to the backburner to feed as a development team, but your yourself are strategically alligning your career wealth maximisation to Blackburn Rovers.  I'm not one to criticise you for playing for Rovers, nor am I one to criticise Rovers for acting professionally and denying you All White caps and also not overburdening their team with second rate British players.  The fact is, the Phoenix have to be competitive on the field, if they're not the numbers will turn away, ratings will drop, sponsorship levels hence drop, and all of a sudden you've deflated a crucial element to the New Zealand football economy.  That's business.  A similar philosophy is with the Warriors, people argue that New Zealanders should occupy all the key positions - but I ask, where ARE these New Zealanders?  I'm sure, and I think the Nix have largely shown it, that if there were Kiwi options to the equivalent of their Australian/Brazilian options available they generally get the contract.  That's smart business. 

You should see the Ring of Fire, the Yellow Fever, New Zealand Football for the first time that I can remember is starting to mount a bloody strong challenge to these other codes.  That's not off the back of resounding All Whites performances, but off the back of a week in, week out, revival of a club outfit in New Zealand that is providing opportunities.  It does provide incentive.  It does serve as inspiration.  It does highlight the good elements of this great game to the New Zealand publically nationally through the media.  I can't remember the last time I saw fans THAT enthusiastic about football in New Zealand. 

The true challenge for you now Ryan is to be a man of your word, start putting the pressure on Blackburn to secure yourself more international caps, and when your contract comes up, think of the locals, don't think of your bank account and come back to the Phoenix to provide leadership and direction.  Suffice to say Ryan, I don't see either happening.  Till you're prepared to walk the talk, I don't put too much creedence in your comments.  You have your rights to serve your professional interests first, so do the Phoenix who have stakeholders and in particular investors who are hopeful of a return to answer to first and foremost.

I truly wonder if it's these bloody hardcore fans who suit up week in week out in all sorts of attire including the fabulous retro Ricky Herbert shirts or yourself who plays in the Premier League who serves more as an inspiration to people wanting to get involved in the game.  Given your position in the sport, and given I really think the Yellow Fever supporters rival their ability to inspire people into loving this sport, I think it's fair to say the Phoenix are doing a fantastic job for our code in our country.

See you back here when your next contract's up.
 
That is such a brilliant response it deserves a second reading.
 
Blackburn like any other club are proud to have current internationals in their line up. It's amazing how all their other internationals are allowed to play except Nelson. My own gut feeling is that Nelson is blaming the club for not releasing him but I question whether the club even knows that he is required by his country??
 
Surely Nelson wasn't that naieve that he did not have a release for internationals clause in it, especially for World Cup qualifiers & finals. I am sceptical about just how hard Nelson pushes Blackburn to release him. The PFA would surely back Nelson if he was being withheld for no real reason.
 
I may well be wrong and apologise if I am, but I think I'll trust my instincts on this occassion.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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I don't think he pushes them that hard, but if your job was on the line and you were a complete unknown (which he was when he first got into the side) would you do the same?  B'Burn have always taken a hard line with antipodeans, Neil and Emerton have both had difficulties with releases.  Getting the PFA involved isn't necessary, officially he has to be released.  A lot of the mctahes he has missed have been outside the FIFA windows anyway, or during the UK summer

Normo's coming home

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Wellynix your suggestion to fire Herbert and replace him with Jacobs is outlandish and makes me homicidal.
 
I would struggle to support the nix if the started playing classic Wimbledon football and oofed up field every chance they got.
 
Stu's style of football would severly kill the nix fan base
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I've watched a lot of Stu's teams over the years and he is not a long ball merchant.  Did you watch Team Welly last year pass everyone off the park?  And Wests before that.  This team and the 20s are playing the way they are allowed to which is unfortunate.  The 17s tried it on and didn't get anywhere, we're a few years away from ball on the deck at international leveljames dean2008-08-13 01:38:02

Normo's coming home

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In my opinion Ryan is not making a truly informed judgement and may be trying to take on board what other ex A League players are saying.  Face it how many people involved with clubs get pi**ed when they loose their key players and leaders to NZFC or development games.  Phoenix is the highest professional tier in NZ and would we want the management of that  tier to release players without regard.  Sure Smeltz etc are more than good enough and I rate them higher than the over 23s currently in the Oly white.  What other top club in their respective country didn't buck at the thought of releasing players to a non fifa window competition.

As far as the role of developing the game that is for Football NZ.  To identify top young talent and put a plan in place to nature and grow it and produce players that can challenge and surpass current imports.  That is the aim.  Growing the NZFC and similar comps.  Considering starting a firstpoiintusa style academy to inspre youngsters into developing their game and long term qualifications. 

RN has just forgotten how he had to do it and needs to think before he speaks and I for one wont be picking him in the fantasy football.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
The(O)Dor wrote:
Sorry for wading into this one late, playas.

Firstly, Ryan, how many caps have you had for your country since say oh I don't know, 2004?  I'm led to believe it's not a great deal, and I would hasten a guess that perhaps your BUSINESS career obligations to Blackburn have played some part?  So the rest of your comments kinda set you up hypocritically.  Also, and to be fair I haven't followed the Olympics that closely, but is it also not true that you won't be there for all finals if they qualify? 

You see Ryan, on one hand you're asking a professional outfit to put it's strategic interests (and frankly, for that matter Terry's own hard earned) to the backburner to feed as a development team, but your yourself are strategically alligning your career wealth maximisation to Blackburn Rovers.  I'm not one to criticise you for playing for Rovers, nor am I one to criticise Rovers for acting professionally and denying you All White caps and also not overburdening their team with second rate British players.  The fact is, the Phoenix have to be competitive on the field, if they're not the numbers will turn away, ratings will drop, sponsorship levels hence drop, and all of a sudden you've deflated a crucial element to the New Zealand football economy.  That's business.  A similar philosophy is with the Warriors, people argue that New Zealanders should occupy all the key positions - but I ask, where ARE these New Zealanders?  I'm sure, and I think the Nix have largely shown it, that if there were Kiwi options to the equivalent of their Australian/Brazilian options available they generally get the contract.  That's smart business. 

You should see the Ring of Fire, the Yellow Fever, New Zealand Football for the first time that I can remember is starting to mount a bloody strong challenge to these other codes.  That's not off the back of resounding All Whites performances, but off the back of a week in, week out, revival of a club outfit in New Zealand that is providing opportunities.  It does provide incentive.  It does serve as inspiration.  It does highlight the good elements of this great game to the New Zealand publically nationally through the media.  I can't remember the last time I saw fans THAT enthusiastic about football in New Zealand. 

The true challenge for you now Ryan is to be a man of your word, start putting the pressure on Blackburn to secure yourself more international caps, and when your contract comes up, think of the locals, don't think of your bank account and come back to the Phoenix to provide leadership and direction.  Suffice to say Ryan, I don't see either happening.  Till you're prepared to walk the talk, I don't put too much creedence in your comments.  You have your rights to serve your professional interests first, so do the Phoenix who have stakeholders and in particular investors who are hopeful of a return to answer to first and foremost.

I truly wonder if it's these bloody hardcore fans who suit up week in week out in all sorts of attire including the fabulous retro Ricky Herbert shirts or yourself who plays in the Premier League who serves more as an inspiration to people wanting to get involved in the game.  Given your position in the sport, and given I really think the Yellow Fever supporters rival their ability to inspire people into loving this sport, I think it's fair to say the Phoenix are doing a fantastic job for our code in our country.

See you back here when your next contract's up.
 
That is such a brilliant response it deserves a second reading.
 
Blackburn like any other club are proud to have current internationals in their line up. It's amazing how all their other internationals are allowed to play except Nelson. My own gut feeling is that Nelson is blaming the club for not releasing him but I question whether the club even knows that he is required by his country??
 
Surely Nelson wasn't that naieve that he did not have a release for internationals clause in it, especially for World Cup qualifiers & finals. I am sceptical about just how hard Nelson pushes Blackburn to release him. The PFA would surely back Nelson if he was being withheld for no real reason.
 
I may well be wrong and apologise if I am, but I think I'll trust my instincts on this occassion.


Wow, thanks mate.  From a serial lurker and non poster and observer of passionate excellent posters like yourself I appreciate the support there mate.

Yes, something didn't quite feel right with Ryan's comments.  By the nature of how openly hypocritical and cynical they were they seemed horribly misinformed as if he'd received some bad info behind the scenes, or there was some personal tension to release and the 'Nix copped it.  It's unfortunate given the fact Ryan obviously has the position from leading Blackburn Rovers to really combine with the impetus of the Phoenix to give positive credibility to New Zealand Football.  It's appear to me before the 'Nix came in that all we seemed to get for 5-10 years was Wynton Rufer, albeit a great player, knocking New Zealand Football from pillar to post and the various non performances of the Kingz and Knights and also various boardroom political struggles.  It's only now really in my view with Ryan in such an influential position and the growth of the 'Nix that we are really starting to get back our national football identity and I think Ryan is slightly naive and certainly incorrect to suggest that the Phoenix have done anything other than massively grow the game's publicity in the country.  Hopefully down the track that helps us turn what is a massive participation sport as school level into a very healthy local club scene to support New Zealand's development, that's the role I see the Phoenix playing.

Just out of curiosity, what is FIFA's take on international duties?  Is it that friendly's are non-obligated for, and that qualifiers and tournaments et al are to be fully represented barring injury and suspension?  I'm curious on the basis of the Olympics, is that not sanctioned by FIFA and hence players as they are can be pulled from the tournament for professional club requirements?  I was shell shocked when I heard how little Ryan has actually played for New Zealand.
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The(O)Dor wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what is FIFA's take on international duties?  Is it that friendly's are non-obligated for, and that qualifiers and tournaments et al are to be fully represented barring injury and suspension?  I'm curious on the basis of the Olympics, is that not sanctioned by FIFA and hence players as they are can be pulled from the tournament for professional club requirements?  I was shell shocked when I heard how little Ryan has actually played for New Zealand.
 
Non-friendly international matches take place during FIFA designated windows. During these windows, domestic leagues take a break. For some countries that is only their top flight, for others (such as England) it is their top two levels. The smaller countries do not always observe the break - this season is the first time that the A-League are conforming.
 
For these non-friendly matches, clubs cannot refuse player call-ups. That does not mean they can't put pressure on a player to withdraw.
 
For friendlies, clubs can and do withdraw players. Sometimes the club manager will enter into a gentleman's agreement with the national manager to have players not play the full 90 minutes.
 
The Olympics is not a senior tournament. Clubs are not obliged to release over-age players (I'd prefer to see no overage players myself anyway). I think they're supposed to release the junior players that are selected, but apparently that hasn't always happened either - the olympics aren't seen as a big deal by many countries.
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Thanks very much for that mate.

I thought as much, it seems to be how it's replicated in the guru of football games, Football Manager ;-)
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PS Continental tournaments don't get a global domestic league hiatus. For example, the African Cup of Nations takes place when the European leagues are in full swing. That's why you get people like Harry Redknapp complaining. (I have little sympathy for Harry and would tell him to stop looking at things through imperial glasses; it's an African tournament that should take place when the Africans want to hold it, not when England et al want them to hold it. It's not as if Harry isn't aware of it when he signs the player - why does he think they can be more affordable in the first place?)
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Quite right SiNZ English clubs are going to have to get used to the idea of their staff being required to play for countries outside of Europe.
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Brilliant commenst By Ryan Nelson and Totally true.
 
 
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Bluey wrote:
Brilliant commenst By Ryan Nelson and Totally true.
 
 
I sense Happy Ted may have a new user name?

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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hey if your happy with a team  that has 4 kiwis in the 11 so be it.
Ryan is totally right. is this team developing kiwis? where is James Pritchett, Allan Pearce, dan Ellensohn? 
 
Ricki just doesnt want to many allwhites in one team. He should NOT be coaching both teams simple.
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sounds like it......

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Bluey wrote:
Brilliant commenst By Ryan Nelson and Totally true.  
 
Brilliant comments by Ryan Nelsen and totally true.  
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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Bluey wrote:
hey if your happy with a team  that has 4 kiwis in the 11 so be it.
Ryan is totally right. is this team developing kiwis? where is James Pritchett, Allan Pearce, dan Ellensohn? 
 
Ricki just doesnt want to many allwhites in one team. He should NOT be coaching both teams simple.
 
The Nix have completed all of one season so far. Be realistic. A little over a year ago, there were no Kiwis and no NZ A-League team. Before that there was a NZ A-League team that died. Ryan is totally out of touch - Premiership prima donna was the first thought to come to mind.
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Bluey wrote:
hey if your happy with a team  that has 4 kiwis in the 11 so be it.
Ryan is totally right. is this team developing kiwis? where is James Pritchett, Allan Pearce, dan Ellensohn? 
 
Ricki just doesnt want to many allwhites in one team. He should NOT be coaching both teams simple.


He doesn't want too many allwhites? Why did he sign Mulligan, Bertos and Sigmund then. Seems to me like Ricki has made a real effort to bring home/give opportunities to our top pros. I'd say the names you mentioned haven't been given a chance because maybe, just maybe, they aren't actually good enough. I mean seriously can you see those guys getting a start ahead of people like Smeltz, Daniel, Gao and McKain? Not a chance. Ricki has constructed a fantastic squad that not only has a large amount of Kiwi talent but also looks competitive and plays good football to boot.

As for only 4 players in our starting XI I would disagree. I suspect Ricki's first choice (assuming there are no injuries) would look like this:

                      Moss

Mulligan      McKain   Durante      Lochhead

                Brown      Ferrante

    Bertos            Gao         Daniel

                         Smeltz

That's 6/11 players who likely make up his first choice lineup while 12 of our 23 man squad are Kiwis. Brown hasn't had a game yet because of fitness but his few appearances last year did seem to indicate he was Ricki's preferred starting defensive midfielder, while handing him the AW captaincy also indicates the kind of regard he holds him in. Mulligan hasn't started in the A-League due to fitness as well, but once he is up to speed I'm almost certain that he will slot into the starting XI as well. We also have people like Kwasnik from within the camp coming out and clearly stating that the Phoenix setup is the most professional and well run he has worked with. Ricki is a class act, and the Tony's trial with 'Boro indicates he is doing his best to balance what is good for the Phoenix, his players and for Kiwi football internationally as well.

And one last thought? Who are the best performers in the Phoenix squad? I would say our top 4 players from last season were Smeltz, Moss, Daniel and Lochhead. This year you would probably have to throw in McKain and Durante's names to that mix based on our performances so far. The people who are standing up and putting in our best performances are Kiwis, and if that doesn't say something about Ricki and his coaching ability and how good he is for the game in NZ I don't know what does?
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hey, Daniels a kiwi now too.
well sort of...
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Daniel does want to play for the AW's once he's got citiizenship.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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come on lets not get ahead of ourselves. good football. you mean pump it everytime you get it. I hope they improve..
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Bluey wrote:
hey if your happy with a team  that has 4 kiwis in the 11 so be it.
Ryan is totally right. is this team developing kiwis? where is James Pritchett, Allan Pearce, dan Ellensohn? 
 
Ricki just doesnt want to many allwhites in one team. He should NOT be coaching both teams simple.
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Genius, another Aucklander who watched the Knights and Kingz wither and die but knows better than the Phoenix how to make it work, next you will be telling me Greg Uhlmann should be there.

Pritch isn't good enough, Pearce is on the radar but only just made an All Whites training squad for the first time and Dan (while a good player) isn't an established NZFC player let alone an established All White.

Have a chat With Siggy if you want an understanding of what a step up from the NZFC the A-League is, unlike Ryan Nelsen he actually knows something about the Phoenix and the A-League.

[QUOTE=Bluey]come on lets not get ahead of ourselves. good football. you mean pump it everytime you get it. I hope they improve..


Oh, okay, now I get it.  Sunday was the first Phoenix game you've watched.
Hard News2008-08-19 13:59:37

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Hard News wrote:


Genius, another Aucklander who watched the Knights and Kingz wither and die but knows better than the Phoenix how to make it work, next you will be telling me Greg Uhlmann should be there.
 
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ARF! Not good enough for Bodens, not good enough for Bodens!
 
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Pearce is on the radar
 
 
Fact.  He played for Phoenix against a local XI in a training match last week and has been training with them while down here staying with the family.  I'd say definitely in the long terms plans in one form or another.
Smithy2008-08-19 14:08:16

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Extra extra!! Read all about. . . Hard News delivers the truth about James Pritchett, Allan Pearce and dan Ellensohn.

Bluey, you just received your delivery.
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