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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think cool heads need to be kept on this issue guys. TP has said that the idea has come from keeping our younger fans safe, and avoiding any issues etc - he's also said that a kid accompanying an adult is fine in the ZONE, so non of you ppl with kids should have an issue. Time will tell as to how the issue of a single under 16 kid gets dealt with. Personal opinion is that they shouldn't be in the zone.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
I think cool heads need to be kept on this issue guys. TP has said that the idea has come from keeping our younger fans safe, and avoiding any issues etc - he's also said that a kid accompanying an adult is fine in the ZONE, so non of you ppl with kids should have an issue. Time will tell as to how the issue of a single under 16 kid gets dealt with. Personal opinion is that they shouldn't be in the zone.


That pretty Much Sums it up
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
I think cool heads need to be kept on this issue guys. TP has said that the idea has come from keeping our younger fans safe, and avoiding any issues etc - he's also said that a kid accompanying an adult is fine in the ZONE, so non of you ppl with kids should have an issue. Time will tell as to how the issue of a single under 16 kid gets dealt with. Personal opinion is that they shouldn't be in the zone.
 
I respect your opinion, but could I ask why?
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why i don't think under 16's should be in the zone. Couple of reasons.
 
1) under 16's aren't allowed to consume, purchase alcohol, so I don't think its a good idea for this age group to be surrounded by people who are drinking, access is too easy - reason behind this - every 16 year old  i've known will jump at the chance to grab a beer and slug it back - not  the image the nix or YF need.
2) And once again safety, I'm not saying that the YF boys and girls are dangerous, but if a drunk guy says does anything slightly dodgy, the under 16's are likely to panic run home to mummy and daddy and once again the YF and nix don't need that image.
 
think that covers it.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm relieved to hear (as is junior tiger) that we will be able to have our kids with us in the fever zone -  (cheers Tony for that reassurance in the face of the initial 'rumour')

as to unaccompanied under 16's your argument is persuasive DLB and yet the club does need to cover itself in these changed times

agree with someone above who noted that it's a shame that some parents allow their kids into situations that then freak them out and the parents then try to pass the responsibilty on to others  (i.e. the club)

maybe the 12-15 year olds can form a soprano and wobbly voice fever in aisle 20

or some of the more persuasive youths could drag one of their parents into the fever zone ("no dad, they call it football - you old f**kwit")

oh no, elder abuse in the zone


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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Maybe we could have a Junior Fever Zone, where the young 'uns can safely sing songs whilst throwing jelly, ice cream and fizzy soft drinks all over each other...
 
I know, I know. Coat's on...

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
Why i don't think under 16's should be in the zone. Couple of reasons.
 
1) under 16's aren't allowed to consume, purchase alcohol, so I don't think its a good idea for this age group to be surrounded by people who are drinking, access is too easy - reason behind this - every 16 year old  i've known will jump at the chance to grab a beer and slug it back - not  the image the nix or YF need.
2) And once again safety, I'm not saying that the YF boys and girls are dangerous, but if a drunk guy says does anything slightly dodgy, the under 16's are likely to panic run home to mummy and daddy and once again the YF and nix don't need that image.
 
think that covers it.
 
Cool thanks, I'd have to say my opinion differs for the following reasons.
 

 

1)       Alcohol is available in all parts of the ground, booze is no more available in the YFZ.  I'm not sure how access would be any easier, I don�t know anyone who buys beer to give away to an unknown underage.

 

2)       There is the potential for this sort of thing to happen anywhere in the stadium, again I�m not sure why it�s limited to the YFZ.

 

I can understand why (in today�s nanny state) you are approaching this with caution, but I think the potential upside far outweighs any small risk (that isn�t YFZ specific).

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm  with you tigers glad to hear its ok

still no word from the club but then haven't had any emails in the last 2 days so could be a xtra problem grrrrrrrrrr whole other story!!

I also agree about keeping the younger fans safe and I am sure everyone else does too...only a small amount of people who go act like idiots which is a real shame for everyone not just the younger fans!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
Why i don't think under 16's should be in the zone. Couple of reasons.
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1) under 16's aren't allowed to consume, purchase alcohol, so I don't think its a good idea for this age group to be surrounded by people who are drinking, access is too easy - reason behind this - every 16 year old �i've known will jump at the chance to grab a beer and slug it back - not �the image the nix or YF need.

2) And once again safety, I'm not saying that the YF boys and girls are dangerous, but if a drunk guy says does anything slightly dodgy, the under 16's are likely to panic run home to mummy and daddy and once again the YF and nix don't need that image.

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think that covers it.


I don't really see how any of this applies.
Firstly, the Fever Zone isn't an exclusive area where alcohol is consumed at the stadium, and I would suggest that you're likely to see more drunken yobs outside the YF zone than inside...and what do you mean by "access is to easy"? Are you implying that YF members wouldprovide alcohol to people who are clearly under-age just because they're in the YF zone? That seems a very prejudiced view to me.
Secondly, after spending the whole season in the YF zone, I can't remember anything'dangerous' ever happening. There were times when families moved out from the zone, I would suspect because of the colourful language at times, which is their right, but majority of young ones in he zone just enjoy themselves and the Phoenix/Fever experience.
I think the biggest problem for the YF zone has been that there have often been occasions when people purchased tickets in Aisles 21 and 22 without knowing about the zone, and then got a bit of a shock initially. Some have chosen to leave, others to stay and even come back.
All that's really needed is that the club and Ticketek inform potential purchasers about the YF zone and what to expect there, and it'll all be fine.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
danielsleftball wrote:
theprof wrote:
Why i don't think under 16's should be in the zone. Couple of reasons.
 
1) under 16's aren't allowed to consume, purchase alcohol, so I don't think its a good idea for this age group to be surrounded by people who are drinking, access is too easy - reason behind this - every 16 year old  i've known will jump at the chance to grab a beer and slug it back - not  the image the nix or YF need.
2) And once again safety, I'm not saying that the YF boys and girls are dangerous, but if a drunk guy says does anything slightly dodgy, the under 16's are likely to panic run home to mummy and daddy and once again the YF and nix don't need that image.
 
think that covers it.
 
Cool thanks, I'd have to say my opinion differs for the following reasons.
 

 

1)       Alcohol is available in all parts of the ground, booze is no more available in the YFZ.  I'm not sure how access would be any easier, I don�t know anyone who buys beer to give away to an unknown underage.

 

2)       There is the potential for this sort of thing to happen anywhere in the stadium, again I�m not sure why it�s limited to the YFZ.

 

I can understand why (in today�s nanny state) you are approaching this with caution, but I think the potential upside far outweighs any small risk (that isn�t YFZ specific).

 
As an after thought, making the YFZ PG rated also may been seen as a green light by some to take things too far.  I can just hear the excuse of "this is an over 16's area, if you don't like it F off to the family enclosure" and that to me is not what the YFZ is all about.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
Why i don't think under 16's should be in the zone. Couple of reasons.
 
1) under 16's aren't allowed to consume, purchase alcohol, so I don't think its a good idea for this age group to be surrounded by people who are drinking, access is too easy - reason behind this - every 16 year old  i've known will jump at the chance to grab a beer and slug it back - not  the image the nix or YF need.
2) And once again safety, I'm not saying that the YF boys and girls are dangerous, but if a drunk guy says does anything slightly dodgy, the under 16's are likely to panic run home to mummy and daddy and once again the YF and nix don't need that image.
 
think that covers it.


Your wrong though mate im the one in a million that dont drink
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ok just to clarify my point about the alcohol access etc. Sure you can purchase alcohol all around the stadium, but only if your 18+, they check your id when you purchase it yeah, and besides thats the stadium's responsibility. I'm focussing on the Zone are becuse the zone is there for people who a) want to stand, dance chant and sing throughout the game, and b) want to drink a lot. The rest of the stadium is populated by people who choose not to be involved in these noble pastimes. When I say access to, i am not assuming or suggesting the the YF memebrs ar esupplying alochol to minors, I'm simply saying that if an under 16 wanted a beer they could and probably would take (borrow) a poorly wacthed beer. Its hypothetical, but it has happened at events before and who gets the blame, not the parents, not the kind but the ppl who supplied the alcohol. I'm being cautious cos I want the YF to continue unhindered and unrestricted. If the kids want to be involved then give them a Junior zone away from the Adults only zone!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
danielsleftball wrote:
Tony P wrote:
barts wrote:
so looks like Helen Clarke is running ticketek now.... (no offence to any HC fans)

What are they going to do ban R16s from four ailses ever side of the fever zone.

Its stupid..... how about letting parents decide whats best for their kids

 
 
We will be setting a family zone alcohol free zone for next season but if parents want to take the kids to the YF zone then I will not stop it. It is their decision and thats fine. Selling single childs membership to the YF zone is another issue which I will think about.
 

Tony

 

I went to my first footy game as a 12 year old (Swindon Town vs Port Vale for the record) and have had a passion for the game ever since, when I say a passion for the game I'm not just talking about what happens on the pitch. 

 

The Town End at the County Ground was the equivalent of the Fever Zone, it contained the group of supporters that generated the atmosphere.  As a kid, nothing that compared to standing in the Town End and getting caught up in overall experience of a Saturday afternoon, learning the chants, celebrating the goals (like no other part of the ground) becoming a recognised regular, getting the bottle to try and start a chant for the first time (and the relief when others joined in), Saturday afternoons have given me some of my fondest childhood memories.  Not once did I feel in any danger, threatened or uncomfortable, if anything I knew that as a kid others would look out for me.  Of course I heard bad language and occasionally saw individuals acting like idiots, but I heard nothing that I hadn�t heard in the playground and seeing the idiots made me realise that wasn�t the type of supporter I wanted to be.

 

The years spent in the Town End as a kid have shaped me into the supporter I am today, there are many words I could use to describe the way I support my team but the one that I think really counts is loyal.  The Phoenix are now seeing the benefits of the �supporting through thick and thin� mentality that my growing up with STFC has given me.     For the sake of the club in years to come please give the kids a chance to be a part of the amazing atmosphere of the fever zone, if you get it right now you�ll have laid a solid foundation for not only years to come, but generations.  Think about how good you'll feel when you walk around our fair city and the Phoenix shirts outnumber those from Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.

Cheers

DLB
 
hes just trying to get his post count up, he talks rubbish
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
 
As an after thought, making the YFZ PG rated also may been seen as a green light by some to take things too far.  I can just hear the excuse of "this is an over 16's area, if you don't like it F off to the family enclosure" and that to me is not what the YFZ is all about.
thats a rubbish idea, especially coming from you, the fever zone should be for all ages.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
phoenix07 wrote:
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As an after thought, making the YFZ PG rated also may been seen as a green light by some to take things too far.� I can just hear the excuse of "this is an over 16's area, if you don't like it F off to the family enclosure" and that to me is not what the YFZ is all about.

thats a rubbish idea, especially coming from you, the fever zone should be for all ages.

1. It's not his idea.
2. He's implying it's rubbish
3. Personal attacks on someone with a higher level of literacy than you are a recipe for disaster. In fact, personal attacks in general are.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
just out of curiousity Phoenix 07 - who's ideas suck mine or DLB's? if you want kids in the zone then sweet, by all means, but don't come running and crying when you accidently drunkinly spill beer on some 15 yr old tweenie and they go complain to mummy who then complains to the Stadium ppl and all hell breaks out.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
phoenix07 wrote:
 
As an after thought, making the YFZ PG rated also may been seen as a green light by some to take things too far.  I can just hear the excuse of "this is an over 16's area, if you don't like it F off to the family enclosure" and that to me is not what the YFZ is all about.
thats a rubbish idea, especially coming from you, the fever zone should be for all ages.
 
Don't want to spoil your fun, but you seem to have a few personal issues with another forum member which are getting in the way of an interesting discussion.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
 
football_mum wrote:
I'm  with you tigers glad to hear its ok

still no word from the club but then haven't had any emails in the last 2 days so could be a xtra problem grrrrrrrrrr whole other story!!

I also agree about keeping the younger fans safe and I am sure everyone else does too...only a small amount of people who go act like idiots which is a real shame for everyone not just the younger fans!
 
Who have you been emailing?? My email is working no problems here. Happy to respond if you send me an email.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
just out of curiousity Phoenix 07 - who's ideas suck mine or DLB's? if you want kids in the zone then sweet, by all means, but don't come running and crying when you accidently drunkinly spill beer on some 15 yr old tweenie and they go complain to mummy who then complains to the Stadium ppl and all hell breaks out.


I don't know what you where like in your adolescence prof but you have some pretty strange views on what 15 year olds are like these days.

My mates and I don't go to the Phoenix to steal drunk guys beers and complain and moan to our parents when drunk people walk into us. We go to support the phoenix vocally and the best place to do that is in the zone.

Also at some games we didn't sit in the zone and we still got beer thrown on us by the d*ckheads at the back of 23. But I didn't care because the phoenix had scored People drink all over the ground and your pretty short sighted not to see that.

As for the language honestly I couldn't care less. You can hear a lot worse stuff at school. chocnut2008-01-24 12:35:17
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theprof wrote:
just out of curiousity Phoenix 07 - who's ideas suck mine or DLB's? if you want kids in the zone then sweet, by all means, but don't come running and crying when you accidently drunkinly spill beer on some 15 yr old tweenie and they go complain to mummy who then complains to the Stadium ppl and all hell breaks out.
 
Danielsleftballs ideas suck thats all mate, he has something against me, everytime i post a comment he riducles it, he must be a teenager, anyways in regards to drink etc, I DONT drink and i have been a victim of beer getting spilt on me in the YF zone, i dont like it but when we score and beer gets spilled, its part and parcel of being at the footie, i just think that ALL ages should be allowed to ALL aspects of the stadium if they so wished to do so, and 15 year olds would not run to mummy!
 
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
ok just to clarify my point about the alcohol access etc. Sure you can purchase alcohol all around the stadium, but only if your 18+, they check your id when you purchase it yeah, and besides thats the stadium's responsibility. I'm focussing on the Zone are becuse the zone is there for people who a) want to stand, dance chant and sing throughout the game, and b) want to drink a lot. The rest of the stadium is populated by people who choose not to be involved in these noble pastimes. When I say access to, i am not assuming or suggesting the the YF memebrs ar esupplying alochol to minors, I'm simply saying that if an under 16 wanted a beer they could and probably would take (borrow) a poorly wacthed beer. Its hypothetical, but it has happened at events before and who gets the blame, not the parents, not the kind but the ppl who supplied the alcohol. I'm being cautious cos I want the YF to continue unhindered and unrestricted. If the kids want to be involved then give them a Junior zone away from the Adults only zone!


not your main point but


>> "I'm focussing on the Zone are becuse the zone is there for people who a) want to stand, dance chant and sing throughout the game," <<  -yes, absolutely

 >> "and b) want to drink a lot." << perhaps for a 'minority', but in my view when someone is too pissed to chant (thankfully a rare occurrence) they are no longer adding anything to the Zone, the team or the game

i think and hope the zone is far more about the chanting than it is about drinking




tigers2008-01-24 12:54:37
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
once again Choc - my opinios are not based on my teenage years, when I was 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 I could pretty much do what I please and the law didn't give a sh*t. All I'm saying is that in today's very much PC wourld these kind of issues need to be thought of before an incident occurs or else those of us that love the footy are going to be very saddend by the fact that the Zone is going to be policed to non existance. At the moment you guys have freedom to drink, chant to your hearts content. I'd hate to see it stopped because of one issue that may or may not happen.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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dont know where I stand on this. I must say I don't like it as much when there is a bunch of young kids in our midst. Felt a bit like babysitting. It's nice to get a flow on of the same lads from the pub before hand. Just my opinion though.

One time one of them got knocked to the ground in the scrummage for Felipe's boot.

Founder

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i spoke to someone at ticketek and he didnt have a clue what was happening with the season tickets yet, they are awaiting info from the phoenix first before they can do anything for season ticket holders etc.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:

dont know where I stand on this. I must say I don't like it as much when there is a bunch of young kids in our midst. Felt a bit like babysitting. It's nice to get a flow on of the same lads from the pub before hand. Just my opinion though.

One time one of them got knocked to the ground in the scrummage for Felipe's boot.


I know that guy
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tony P wrote:
 
football_mum wrote:
I'm  with you tigers glad to hear its ok

still no word from the club but then haven't had any emails in the last 2 days so could be a xtra problem grrrrrrrrrr whole other story!!

I also agree about keeping the younger fans safe and I am sure everyone else does too...only a small amount of people who go act like idiots which is a real shame for everyone not just the younger fans!
 
Who have you been emailing?? My email is working no problems here. Happy to respond if you send me an email.



no problems Tony I think its my own home email that is playing up, as I sent myself some stuff from work and it still hasn't arrived!

I sent an email to the link I got from the Phoenix site memberships@wellingtonphoenix.com

I am happy with your comment on here regarding family passes for next season

I was just curious after reading stuff on here about the kids in fever zone so thought I would see about re purchasing our family pass.



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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:

dont know where I stand on this. I must say I don't like it as much when there is a bunch of young kids in our midst. Felt a bit like babysitting. It's nice to get a flow on of the same lads from the pub before hand. Just my opinion though.

One time one of them got knocked to the ground in the scrummage for Felipe's boot.


Thats why we have our tickets in row p rather than closer to the front!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:

dont know where I stand on this. I must say I don't like it as much when there is a bunch of young kids in our midst. Felt a bit like babysitting. It's nice to get a flow on of the same lads from the pub before hand. Just my opinion though.

One time one of them got knocked to the ground in the scrummage for Felipe's boot.
 
this is my whole point, this time it may have been a 15 yr old kid who can take the knocks, if the zone is open to all youths then some younger kid could get really hurt and that's gonna be really baaaad!!!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:

dont know where I stand on this. I must say I don't like it as much when there is a bunch of young kids in our midst. Felt a bit like babysitting. It's nice to get a flow on of the same lads from the pub before hand. Just my opinion though.

One time one of them got knocked to the ground in the scrummage for Felipe's boot.


I got landed on by a drunk for Ross aloisi's shorts
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just looked at your profile your only 32 thought you were about 52
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cheeky, I stil get asked how old i am!! apparently i only look like 25. I'm not trying to be a stick in the mud old fart, just aware of how these things can end up if somoene, namely the club isn't careful. this countyr is so PC now that even the slightest misdemenour can end an awesome thing! I think tony P and the crew have gotit right. If you are under 16 (if that's the final age cutoff) then bring your mum/dad to the Zone with you! simple really

Queenslander 3x a year.

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football_mum wrote:
just looked at your profile your only 32 thought you were about 52
 
He's had a hard life tho'...

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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now that's funny Jag,

Queenslander 3x a year.

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I don't know how old you look cos I haven't seen you!!

hard life my arse!


I kinda agree with you in regards to the kids thats why I take mine...well and they are too young to go alone!

I just asked them how they would feel if we couldn't sit in the zone they were not happy
I said does it freak you out being in there both said no...younger one said only time he was scared was when the drunk guy started abusing us...RC initials if anyone knows him he would scare anyone

I take my dad and sometimes my brother so there is enough adults around my kids to watch out for them!  And I must say there are a few around us that looked out for them too, got to know them seeing them every few weeks and they had a good laugh with the boys
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I have no issue with kids in the zone! unattendedkids/minors - whatever is not appropriate. I'm not the one making the call on the age, i initially mentioned under 14, if the club goes with under 16 then so be it. I personally would not allow my kids go into the zone with out me there, and I think most of us agree with that. The issue seems to be with the 15/16 yr olds who want to attend the games in the Zone without their parents? not my call, I could care less with what age the Zone is restricted to it doesn't affect me. But if the Zone is shut down because something happens, then I'll be most unhappy about it all.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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I have to commend the club on taking this approach and ensuring the safety and comfort of ALL its supporters!!!
 
The Fever Zone is a Privilege not a Right!!!
 
The worst thing about all this is that in 2 or 3 days time people won't give a toss whether kids are allowed into the Fever Zone or not...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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C-Diddy wrote:
I have to commend the club on taking this approach and ensuring the safety and comfort of ALL its supporters!!!
 


agreed

but it can happen in the zone or out of the zone!!

I reckon they should lock this topic now!!
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football_mum wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
I have to commend the club on taking this approach and ensuring the safety and comfort of ALL its supporters!!!
 


agreed

but it can happen in the zone or out of the zone!!

 
anything can happen anywhere, but you can't eactly ban/stop kids getting into watch the game now can we, they can however reduce the risk by making sure kids are supervised  at all times in cerrtain areas which could be seen as higher risk areas.
 
 

Queenslander 3x a year.

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I've seen people behave worse elsewhere too!!

so fz isn't only high risk place!

anyway I could go on all day
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football_mum wrote:
just looked at your profile your only 32 thought you were about 52
 
The Prof ponders the implications of keeping the young 'uns out of the FZ:

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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