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As UberGunner says, the media conglomerate that funds Rugby in a huge way see football fans as an annoying minority, sorry 'vocal' minority so I doubt they will even fake caring.

We've got a couple of ideas, but we'll see what happens.

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Well its complete bullsh*t in my opinion. If we send an email from each of our email accounts we have (i must have atleast 5 lol) stating our points, and getting people we know to do the same, then surely we could get a huge number of emails to bug them


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Hard News wrote:
As UberGunner says, the media conglomerate that funds Rugby in a huge way see football fans as an annoying minority, sorry 'vocal' minority so I doubt they will even fake caring.

We've got a couple of ideas, but we'll see what happens.


I'd be keen to help out with anything that involves letter writing etc. How different can a formal complaint letter be to a NCEA Level 1 letter to the editor?

Keep me posted.
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Torne wrote:
Hard News wrote:
As UberGunner says, the media conglomerate that funds Rugby in a huge way see football fans as an annoying minority, sorry 'vocal' minority so I doubt they will even fake caring.

We've got a couple of ideas, but we'll see what happens.


I'd be keen to help out with anything that involves letter writing etc. How different can a formal complaint letter be to a NCEA Level 1 letter to the editor?

Keep me posted.


It will be a hell of a lot easier than NCEA Level 1 lol. And that stuff is easy as


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O.K Hard News...how about.....
 
NZ Rugby is paid big bucks by News Corp. Ltd for rugby broadcast rights.
 News Corp. Ltd  has strong influence on Sky TV NZ (See Sky Board  for members with rugby or News Ltd links.)
and want their rugby investment maximised.
=more rugby programmes
=less football programmes- seen as a growing threat to their NZ investment?...especially as former SANZAR agreement, due for renewal next year, is shaky with SA breakaway deal.



...or does it go deeper and further??
RedGed2009-07-26 00:38:11

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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I've been thinking this for a while now.......

Perhaps its time you guys at Yellow Fever HQ start setting yourselves up as YF INC. and set up as a media conglomerate and Football UberHub!
With this site you are well on the way,using the net and new technology just imagine...
-football streaming sourced worldwide,
-football tv coverage, where not already tied up locally.
-leveraging YF on-site social networking to provide live scoring and/or mobile snips from football  anywhere.
eg China tour (our China correspondents SC03, Junior 82 and others already in place )
Someone live at  Dubbo would have been handy tonight.

-what about our own locally originated football tv programme/s??

I think a few of us on here would be interested if you ever went down that path.



  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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Wow that would be one small step for man, one GIANT LEAP for Yellow Fever. Would be awesome to be able to give up your day job just to work off YF.

So kind of doing it all online?
Dunno if that would be a tangible option for those of us who break the limit each month watching highlights


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RedGed wrote:
O.K Hard News...how about.....
 
NZ Rugby is paid big bucks by News Corp. Ltd for rugby broadcast rights.
 News Corp. Ltd  has strong influence on Sky TV NZ (See Sky Board  for members with rugby or News Ltd links.)
and want their rugby investment maximised.
=more rugby programmes
=less football programmes- seen as a growing threat to their NZ investment?...especially as former SANZAR agreement, due for renewal next year, is shaky with SA breakaway deal.



...or does it go deeper and further??
 
I thought the sanzar dispute had been resolved and a new deal already signed
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The best solution is to beg one of the Aussie broadcasters to come over here with their satelite service and kick sky in the nuts. Sky is a bit of a bully in NZ. I wonder why the government in all its whinging about cell phone companies, energy companies etc have completely ignored the last big private monopoly in NZ.
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playwithFire wrote:
Wow that would be one small step for man, one GIANT LEAP for Yellow Fever. Would be awesome to be able to give up your day job just to work off YF.

So kind of doing it all online?
Dunno if that would be a tangible option for those of us who break the limit each month watching highlights
If we don't get Sky this year (which has suddenly become very likely) we will just bump up our allowance with the saved dosh.
You know we belong together...

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UberGunner wrote:
The best solution is to beg one of the Aussie broadcasters to come over here with their satelite service and kick sky in the nuts. Sky is a bit of a bully in NZ. I wonder why the government in all its whinging about cell phone companies, energy companies etc have completely ignored the last big private monopoly in NZ.


Wish it would happen.


RedGed2009-07-26 10:12:53

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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That would be great UberGunner,though I guess most of them have strong links with Sky anyway.
The thing with most supercorporate media co.s, their size can make them slower to adapt and react..
perfect for a small and lean media machine to seize opportunities the biggies won't bother with...
niche broadcasting.
Of course it won't happen over night...It would take some serious planning and not inconsiderable investment...
.. but there's several hundred social-networking wannabe,  "media stars" on here  that might contribute content in some way, shape or form... (and a few potential investors I would guess) ...should the opportunity present itself!

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
easiest thing for sky to do is buy the rights to Fox sports channels then they wouldn't have any problems, wont happen though
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UberGunner wrote:
The best solution is to beg one of the Aussie broadcasters to come over here with their satelite service and kick sky in the nuts. Sky is a bit of a bully in NZ. I wonder why the government in all its whinging about cell phone companies, energy companies etc have completely ignored the last big private monopoly in NZ.
 
Pressuring government might be more effective than pleading the case directly to Sky.
 
BUT, it would only work if the government thought there were 'brownie' points (votes and kudos) to be earned from doing something.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
A big strike to catch the media's eye could help.

I can't see Fox coming to NZ just for the A-League


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Hard News wrote:
As UberGunner says, the media conglomerate that funds Rugby in a huge way see football fans as an annoying minority, sorry 'vocal' minority so I doubt they will even fake caring.

We've got a couple of ideas, but we'll see what happens.
 
Reminds me: whatever happened to Mark Burgess? Ex NZ football rep and all that. And a founder of Sky if I remember correctly. 
 
Wonder if he still has the ear of anyone making the big decisions in the Sky empire?
 
If he still loves the 'beautiful game', he might be prepared to lend his weight to the push for continued football coverage on TV in this country - assuming HN's 'sauce' is correct in saying it's under threat. 
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Good call Scribbler..Ideal person with inside knowledge and top level contacts.
Mark Burgess might also be an excellent stakeholder/advisor with   "YF Inc." .. should all else fail! RedGed2009-07-26 12:08:36

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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As long as he is still loyal to the game and hasn't given in


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playwithFire wrote:
Wow that would be one small step for man, one GIANT LEAP for Yellow Fever. Would be awesome to be able to give up your day job just to work off YF.

So kind of doing it all online?
Dunno if that would be a tangible option for those of us who break the limit each month watching highlights
 
They even gotten Wide screen TV's so that some of the YF leadership could fit on your screen!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Really odd because they have been talking about the Hyundai A-League in their August promotional material.
Would be an utterly bollocks decision on Skys part if they cut A-League coverage. I understand through August, September when they move the games around and play a lot of it delayed because they often have NPC, NRL, All Blacks and the start of a cricket season but through Nov-Feb all they have really is Cricket so no reason why they shouldn't be showing games.
I also think that we don't understand the ratings for the non-Nix games, I can't imagine they are very good and when all is said and done Sky are a commerical operation who aren't likely to throw money away. Though in saying all of that again I thought I heard or read somewhere that Sky don't actually pay for the other games its part of the deal they have with Fox for Nix coverage. Someone would no more about this than me.
 
Its not helpful to jump on Sky when we dont actually know what is going on, News has his sources and I imagine they are pretty good but perhaps waiting until something is confirmed before we all jump up and down on Sky

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Has anyone actually written to sky (or phoned) and asked what is going on ?
i think, this is ordeal is a load of nonsense to be honest.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Someone a few pages back rang up and couldn't get a good answer out of them. News' source seems to be true. So think it's something that sky is playing around with but won't want to make it public


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yea, but i mean, anyone can say anything to someone and then that message gets thrown out of context then dragged all across the internet.

i'm not saying the sources are wrong (nor am i saying they are correct) but we should wait and see what happens.

personally, as i said before -  i think this is all nonsense, but that is just my opinion.
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I noticed the T.V Guide for the first week of the A-League (issue for august 1st-7th) has nothing concearning the games on thursday and friday (Melbourne v CCM, Adelaidev Perth)
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whooooooo wrote:
yea, but i mean, anyone can say anything to someone and then that message gets thrown out of context then dragged all across the internet.


The source isn't anyone, it's someone who's very well informed.
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whooooooo wrote:
yea, but i mean, anyone can say anything to someone and then that message gets thrown out of context then dragged all across the internet.i'm not saying the sources are wrong (nor am i saying they are correct) but we should wait and see what happens.personally, as i said before -� i think this is all nonsense, but that is just my opinion.
You are fairly new here so you may not know; News sauces are ALWAYS right.
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whooooooo wrote:
-  i think this is all nonsense, but that is just my opinion.
 
 

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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I guess we'll get a good indicator this week when the latest SKY Watch magazine arrives.
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If I think about it I'll ask rumoured new commentator supremo Andrew Dewhurst on the Total Advert Show tonight...if I get the call...lots of 'ifs' there...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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RedGed wrote:
I've been thinking this for a while now.......

Perhaps its time you guys at Yellow Fever HQ start setting yourselves up as YF INC. and set up as a media conglomerate and Football UberHub!
With this site you are well on the way,using the net and new technology just imagine...
-football streaming sourced worldwide,
-football tv coverage, where not already tied up locally.
-leveraging YF on-site social networking to provide live scoring and/or mobile snips from football  anywhere.
eg China tour (our China correspondents SC03, Junior 82 and others already in place )
Someone live at  Dubbo would have been handy tonight.

-what about our own locally originated football tv programme/s??

I think a few of us on here would be interested if you ever went down that path.




For your Info in  Sydney there is a group talking about doing a similar thing with local RU matches as they get almost no time on TV either pay or FTA... Their plan is charge people a small fee of I think about $60.00 ... year... this to cover their costs... they are hoping I think to sign up about 2, 000 people in their first year..


Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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Midfielder wrote:
RedGed wrote:
I've been thinking this for a while now.......

Perhaps its time you guys at Yellow Fever HQ start setting yourselves up as YF INC. and set up as a media conglomerate and Football UberHub!
With this site you are well on the way,using the net and new technology just imagine...
-football streaming sourced worldwide,
-football tv coverage, where not already tied up locally.
-leveraging YF on-site social networking to provide live scoring and/or mobile snips from football  anywhere.
eg China tour (our China correspondents SC03, Junior 82 and others already in place )
Someone live at  Dubbo would have been handy tonight.

-what about our own locally originated football tv programme/s??

I think a few of us on here would be interested if you ever went down that path.




For your Info in  Sydney there is a group talking about doing a similar thing with local RU matches as they get almost no time on TV either pay or FTA... Their plan is charge people a small fee of I think about $60.00 ... year... this to cover their costs... they are hoping I think to sign up about 2, 000 people in their first year..




We're working on the website at the moment.  When we have a new platform there might be scope to do some of these things.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Why isn't this thread marked as a 'Hot Topic'?
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I feel a bit sorry for the presenters though. It must get quite lonely up there in the Sky Sports satellite between games only Murray Deaker and the voiceover person to keep you company.

I temporarily cancelled my Sky Sports sub. after the EPL season ended to claw back some of the increases over the last few years to cover the cost of Fashion TV, People Selling Houses TV. some Canadian lady cooks French food TV, the "Another documentary about how someone wanted to kill Hitler" channel and Yet More People Catch Fish on a Boat TV. I'll reinstate it once Mrs Capes realises that watching away games in the 4 Kings is a bit more expensive that I have previously explained.

I'm slightly disappointed!

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also waiting for the free install offer helps.

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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capes wrote:
I feel a bit sorry for the presenters though. It must get quite lonely up there in the Sky Sports satellite between games only Murray Deaker and the voiceover person to keep you company.

I temporarily cancelled my Sky Sports sub. after the EPL season ended to claw back some of the increases over the last few years to cover the cost of Fashion TV, People Selling Houses TV. some Canadian lady cooks French food TV, the "Another documentary about how someone wanted to kill Hitler" channel and Yet More People Catch Fish on a Boat TV. I'll reinstate it once Mrs Capes realises that watching away games in the 4 Kings is a bit more expensive that I have previously explained.
 
When Sky first started their sales point was that you get to choose the channels you wanted. So I did, Docos, Sports, news and movies and told them to dump the rest. then they said i had to put up and pay for the rest and that my choices were movies and or sport plus all the crap channels.
 
So much for viewer choice. TBH I spend most of my time on the doco channel, rarely watch news, dont subscribe to the movie channel and only watch football on the sports. I've lost any desire to watch Rugby over the years. Is there a difference between Union and League with the current style of play?
 
And I am still stuck with the crap channels. Grrrrrr. 
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Anyone going to phone dewhusrt?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Television coverage is an issue of numbers, pure and simple
 
Long gone are the days when TV stations were solely there for public service, they are now purely businesses in the enterainment industry... pay television in particular relies on this, with subscriptions in addition to "traditional" revenue streams like advertising/sponsorship...
 
Therefore, SKY needs to make any decision it feels necessary based on numbers.  It's key numbers are subsribers and audience - what makes people subscribe, what makes them watch?  They have highly advanced technology that lets them track exactly that - they know how many people watch/MySKY any show at any time... from that they can ascertain what is popular, what is watched, and what "sells".
 
Sport is a great example, and the fundamental basis of pay-TV worldwide.  In NZ, rugby has more people watching it than any other sport - FACT... the audience numbers stack up, people get subscriptions to watch it, sponsors come on board because the numbers demonstrate a big captive audience - text-book stuff really... therefore they spend big money on producing and braodcasting, because they get it back and more through revenue.
 
Football is a more complex case, due to the variety of product available.  English Premier League football brings in a significant number of subscriptions for SKY - hence why they pay top dollar for the broadcast rights year after year.  It was one of the first significant products the company had, before they had rights to rugby, league or cricket, and was also one of the first to be moved to the satellite network from the UHF option... and the subscribers have followed, paying their money and showing their value... and in return they get numerous live matches, highlights shows, previews etc.
 
The sad reality is that other football - namely A-League and local NZ stuff - simply doesn't have the numbers.  And more to the point, with perhaps a few hundred excpetions (if that) it doesn't bring in any extra subscribers (out of the current nationwide pool of 750,000)... if 10,000 new subscriptions were taken up purely for Phoenix/A-League games, and the audience numbers shot up similarly, then the powers that be would sit up, take notice and respond accordingly.  But so far they've had no reason to.
 
Some people claim there is a big silent audience that would watch domestic football, for example if it was on... and yet several years ago, when SKY broadcast an NZFC highlights show each week, the audience numbers were lucky to exceed four figures in many instances... granted, it wasn't helped by the talentless git doing the game highlight voiceovers, but the facts are that the "people" saying they needed/deserved/were entitled to such a show, didn't consume the product on offer and the numbers clearly illustrated that. The times when matches are shown, like an NZFC final or whatever, is usually because either NZF pays for the cost of the broadcast, or SKY simply decides to do them a favour (which they are under no obligation to do).
 
With the A-League, it is most likely a case of cost outweighing return... unlike the English stuff, which is purchased ready-made, the Phoenix coverage needs to be produced locally... for example, last season there would be four presentation/commentary "staff" per match, plus editors etc to make buildup highlights, match coverage director and producer - all flown down from Auckland for every home match... that adds up to a lot of money across a season, and despite any contribution from the club or FFA, it most likely wasn't recouped back, let alone exceeded, by revenue.  Perhaps a revamp this year, with one staffer instead of four, makes better financial sense... perhaps that one person makes his own way to Wellington, or accepts a lesser per match fee... and did the quality of product produced by four really justify the extra cost, if one is seen as doing an adequate job for the audience?  these are the things that I imagine would factor into SKY's thinking, rather than what to football audience is "entitled" to. 
 
When the Kingz were in existence, costs were less as the broadcast sites were in Auckland, and it wasn't until Season 2 that the audience numbers allowed the cost of televising to approach break-even point... and after that it steadily declined... Phoenix audience numbers may be up, but there are greater costs too... all comes back to numbers.
 
 Now I'm no SKY apologist, and I believe there are many things that could be done at no significant extra cost that could massively enhance their football coverage - but at the end of the day they are making business decisions.  And they will know that even if people angry with this decision do cancel their subscriptions, it will only number in the hundreds, maybe less ... and they will no doubt be recouped in other ways.
 
The best solution is to find a genuine audience of 20,000 people who watch what they say they will, act in concert, and wield some financial muscle through their subscriptions... but sadly that doesn't currently exist.  If SKY lost English Prem coverage, they would lose a big number of subscriptions - if they stop showing A-League, they'll lose hardly any.
 
And the cost of producing match day coverage will preclude any of the free-to-air networks from picking it up, unless they find a sponsor with big cash.
 
Hate to sound all gloomy and depressing, and am not suggesting people don't contact SKY to voice their thoughts - that's your right as a customer.  But just expect to hear numbers - more football hours broadcast than any other sport, a wide range of product, demand in other areas etc.
 
At the end of the day, if there is still coverage of Phoenix matches, that's great.  If there are issues regarding quality of that coverage, and you can suggest ways of fixing them that are cost-effective, I'm sure the powers-that-be at SKY would be happy to listen to you.  And if you want there to be more TV shows about football etc, then simply find a company willing to foot the bill as sponsor, and I have no doubt you'll find a capable candidate to produce that show.  After all, that formual works for "Gone Fishin"... 
 
 
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Viewer numbers eh? So just how many viewers are glued to endless repeats of Rugby games that once seen twice have been analysed to bit, are watching them a 3rd, 4th or even fifth time?
 
Then of course there's the highlights channel where you can watch them all over again as well as the rugby channel, not just Sky Sports 1 or 2.
 
I havent even out forward the case of games from the NPC that were played out years ago that weren't relevent to anything other than acting as a time slot filler.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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