I've signed up with livesport.tv, will see how their live coverage of the A-League goes. One downside is they have highlights of previous games and not full replays. Bummer.
pretty sure they can seek to shut down websites offering streams to their content (pretty sure they have the internet based rights so they can play it on SKY GO).
Not sure if this will happen or not but there is a risk that it will i guess.
Im sure they do its a war out there. Sky have no right to shut down livesport.tv as it is showing the a-league and other events to countries outside nz/australia. it is illegal to sign up for that site by hiding your dns and watching a-league on it in a country where sky has the rights however. but ah wel we are paying livesport.tv for the stream and they are paying sky a fixed sum for the rights to show it. just makes sky a bit less money i guess
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pretty sure it's not illegal to sign up. It may be against livesport.tv terms and condition.
If a server in Australia is streaming it to a network in Australia it's not illegal. Virtually you'll be viewing it in Australia. Think of it like sitting on the border of one country while watching something across the border. Am sure I'll be challenged on that point, but that's how I see it (without knowing too much about how it works and loopholes etc.
I just know it's not illegal because I figure it's the same as signing up for netflix. Not illegal but against netflix T&Cs - but then they don't exactly enforce it as they like taking your money.
Allegedly
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pretty sure it's not illegal to sign up. It may be against livesport.tv terms and condition.
If a server in Australia is streaming it to a network in Australia it's not illegal. Virtually you'll be viewing it in Australia. Think of it like sitting on the border of one country while watching something across the border. Am sure I'll be challenged on that point, but that's how I see it (without knowing too much about how it works and loopholes etc.
I just know it's not illegal because I figure it's the same as signing up for netflix. Not illegal but against netflix T&Cs - but then they don't exactly enforce it as they like taking your money.
yeah that's a good theory but in reality however you get the content if you are watching it in NZ from a provider other than the rights holder your theoretically breaking the law - will anything actually happen? don't know - and that's the real question I guess. That's not just A-League that's anything that has rights owned in NZ - for example streaming premier league from a site other than PLP would be illegal.
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pretty sure it's not illegal to sign up. It may be against livesport.tv terms and condition.
If a server in Australia is streaming it to a network in Australia it's not illegal. Virtually you'll be viewing it in Australia. Think of it like sitting on the border of one country while watching something across the border. Am sure I'll be challenged on that point, but that's how I see it (without knowing too much about how it works and loopholes etc.
I just know it's not illegal because I figure it's the same as signing up for netflix. Not illegal but against netflix T&Cs - but then they don't exactly enforce it as they like taking your money.
yeah that's a good theory but in reality however you get the content if you are watching it in NZ from a provider other than the rights holder your theoretically breaking the law - will anything actually happen? don't know - and that's the real question I guess. That's not just A-League that's anything that has rights owned in NZ - for example streaming premier league from a site other than PLP would be illegal.
You aren't breaking the law if you pay for it from an overseas source, probably just breaking that sites terms of service. It's a much greyer area if you just watch on one of the free streamming sites like firstrow or wiziwig. buying from an overseas site like Netflix can be compared to parallel importing. It's just like buying a movie or game or anything really off amazon in the states and then getting it shipped to you over here, that isn't illegal.
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Consumer Magazine had an article recently showing that using Netflix was not against NZ law - I'm guessing LiveSport.tv is the same.
Dishonest? Yes, but not illegal.
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Consumer Magazine had an article recently showing that using Netflix was not against NZ law - I'm guessing LiveSport.tv is the same.
Dishonest? Yes, but not illegal.
This.
And I think you will find it IS illegal for them to knowingly provide it to you - they would be in contravention of the exlcusive rights for New Zealand and breaching the terms of the rights they do have i.e. for Australia etc. only. Which is why they have terms and conditions limiting such things. So them not enforcing their terms and conditions (and/or not having such terms and conditions) would be a breach of their contract(s).
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.
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All 5 games are live on Sky Sport this weekend! Off to a good start.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
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looks like all games in october are live at this stage http://www.skysport.co.nz/article/football/a-league-2014-2015/live-coverage-of-the-hyundai-a-league-on-sky-sport-67636/ including utilising sky sport 6 for the wanderers v mariners on the 25th. think there is a typo for the roar v sydney on the 24th, it says 10am which I assume is 10pm.
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All 5 games are live on Sky Sport this weekend! Off to a good start.
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pretty sure it's not illegal to sign up. It may be against livesport.tv terms and condition.
If a server in Australia is streaming it to a network in Australia it's not illegal. Virtually you'll be viewing it in Australia. Think of it like sitting on the border of one country while watching something across the border. Am sure I'll be challenged on that point, but that's how I see it (without knowing too much about how it works and loopholes etc.
I just know it's not illegal because I figure it's the same as signing up for netflix. Not illegal but against netflix T&Cs - but then they don't exactly enforce it as they like taking your money.
yeah that's a good theory but in reality however you get the content if you are watching it in NZ from a provider other than the rights holder your theoretically breaking the law - will anything actually happen? don't know - and that's the real question I guess. That's not just A-League that's anything that has rights owned in NZ - for example streaming premier league from a site other than PLP would be illegal.
You aren't breaking the law if you pay for it from an overseas source, probably just breaking that sites terms of service. It's a much greyer area if you just watch on one of the free streamming sites like firstrow or wiziwig. buying from an overseas site like Netflix can be compared to parallel importing. It's just like buying a movie or game or anything really off amazon in the states and then getting it shipped to you over here, that isn't illegal.
You can still get pinged by customs and have to pay tax/duties on imported goods
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Yes but those taxes and duties are payable on certain products. TV is not one of them.
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pretty sure it's not illegal to sign up. It may be against livesport.tv terms and condition.
If a server in Australia is streaming it to a network in Australia it's not illegal. Virtually you'll be viewing it in Australia. Think of it like sitting on the border of one country while watching something across the border. Am sure I'll be challenged on that point, but that's how I see it (without knowing too much about how it works and loopholes etc.
I just know it's not illegal because I figure it's the same as signing up for netflix. Not illegal but against netflix T&Cs - but then they don't exactly enforce it as they like taking your money.
yeah that's a good theory but in reality however you get the content if you are watching it in NZ from a provider other than the rights holder your theoretically breaking the law - will anything actually happen? don't know - and that's the real question I guess. That's not just A-League that's anything that has rights owned in NZ - for example streaming premier league from a site other than PLP would be illegal.
You aren't breaking the law if you pay for it from an overseas source, probably just breaking that sites terms of service. It's a much greyer area if you just watch on one of the free streamming sites like firstrow or wiziwig. buying from an overseas site like Netflix can be compared to parallel importing. It's just like buying a movie or game or anything really off amazon in the states and then getting it shipped to you over here, that isn't illegal.
sorry I think your wrong on this one - it's also not a great example you have given.
More accurate would be a little while back when someone imported British marmite during the great marmite drought and Sanitarium threatened to take the guy who imported it to court - same thing here - SKY have paid to show (or in some cases not show) A-League in NZ so anyone else who allows it to be shown in NZ is in-fact breaching the law. that's my take on it anyway!
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pretty sure it's not illegal to sign up. It may be against livesport.tv terms and condition.
If a server in Australia is streaming it to a network in Australia it's not illegal. Virtually you'll be viewing it in Australia. Think of it like sitting on the border of one country while watching something across the border. Am sure I'll be challenged on that point, but that's how I see it (without knowing too much about how it works and loopholes etc.
I just know it's not illegal because I figure it's the same as signing up for netflix. Not illegal but against netflix T&Cs - but then they don't exactly enforce it as they like taking your money.
yeah that's a good theory but in reality however you get the content if you are watching it in NZ from a provider other than the rights holder your theoretically breaking the law - will anything actually happen? don't know - and that's the real question I guess. That's not just A-League that's anything that has rights owned in NZ - for example streaming premier league from a site other than PLP would be illegal.
You aren't breaking the law if you pay for it from an overseas source, probably just breaking that sites terms of service. It's a much greyer area if you just watch on one of the free streamming sites like firstrow or wiziwig. buying from an overseas site like Netflix can be compared to parallel importing. It's just like buying a movie or game or anything really off amazon in the states and then getting it shipped to you over here, that isn't illegal.
sorry I think your wrong on this one - it's also not a great example you have given.
More accurate would be a little while back when someone imported British marmite during the great marmite drought and Sanitarium threatened to take the guy who imported it to court - same thing here - SKY have paid to show (or in some cases not show) A-League in NZ so anyone else who allows it to be shown in NZ is in-fact breaching the law. that's my take on it anyway!
I think the marmite thing was more to do with an infringement of the trademark http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1212/S00575/protecting-marmites-kiwi-trade-mark-update.htm the guy could still import and sell it but just couldn't call it marmite.
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pretty sure it's not illegal to sign up. It may be against livesport.tv terms and condition.
If a server in Australia is streaming it to a network in Australia it's not illegal. Virtually you'll be viewing it in Australia. Think of it like sitting on the border of one country while watching something across the border. Am sure I'll be challenged on that point, but that's how I see it (without knowing too much about how it works and loopholes etc.
I just know it's not illegal because I figure it's the same as signing up for netflix. Not illegal but against netflix T&Cs - but then they don't exactly enforce it as they like taking your money.
yeah that's a good theory but in reality however you get the content if you are watching it in NZ from a provider other than the rights holder your theoretically breaking the law - will anything actually happen? don't know - and that's the real question I guess. That's not just A-League that's anything that has rights owned in NZ - for example streaming premier league from a site other than PLP would be illegal.
You aren't breaking the law if you pay for it from an overseas source, probably just breaking that sites terms of service. It's a much greyer area if you just watch on one of the free streamming sites like firstrow or wiziwig. buying from an overseas site like Netflix can be compared to parallel importing. It's just like buying a movie or game or anything really off amazon in the states and then getting it shipped to you over here, that isn't illegal.
sorry I think your wrong on this one - it's also not a great example you have given.
More accurate would be a little while back when someone imported British marmite during the great marmite drought and Sanitarium threatened to take the guy who imported it to court - same thing here - SKY have paid to show (or in some cases not show) A-League in NZ so anyone else who allows it to be shown in NZ is in-fact breaching the law. that's my take on it anyway!
And, again, you are making the point that the party SHOWING it is breaking the exclusive rights, NOT the party downloading it.
That's the point. The reason that the streaming party's terms and conditions limit it to only being available to people in certain places is that they, THE STREAMER, only have the rights to provide the content in certain places.
The person downloading the stream might lie to the streaming provider and say they are from the place where the streamer has the rights to provide the content, e.g. I might say that I am in Australia when in fact I am in New Zealand.
I am being dishonest, but I am not acting illegally, except insofar as I am (probably) agreeing to the terms and conditions, and then breaching the provider's terms and conditions... although some people even argue that that is agrey area.
But the illegality is in the stream provider providing content into a market they do not have the rights to do so into, but tehy argue that their terms and conditions indicate that they are not trying to do that, and that if I am dishonest, what can they do about it.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.
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I prefer supporting NZ based companies where I can, local employment, local support, local warranties, etc. However it is not illegal to stream from overseas (which as above I do not currently do):
We consulted with a number of copyright law experts and all of them agreed that accessing Netflix from New Zealand is in no way illegal. For this section I'm going to use "Netflix" to represent all online streaming services not based in New Zealand such as Hulu and Amazon Prime, but also services from Australia and the UK.
First, as we have mentioned many times in the past, in New Zealand you are allowed to legally circumvent geoblocks. For example, you are allowed to buy a multizone DVD player in order to watch Zone 1 DVDs that are meant only for the US. Similarly if you find content online that says "this is not available in your country", you are legally allowed to get around that block.
The broadcast rights for a lot of the content on Netflix is owned by local providers such as Sky or TVNZ. New Zealand has parallel importing laws which allow you to bypass the local distributor. This is true for the physical goods that you might buy from The Warehouse and it's also true for digital products, such as movies and TV shows online.
There is no differentiation in the law between physical and digital objects. So in essence watching Netflix is simply a new form of parallel importing.
The main reason accessing Netflix isn't illegal though is that you are paying for it. The content you are accessing is being sold to you legitimately. It is in no way piracy.
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pretty sure it's not illegal to sign up. It may be against livesport.tv terms and condition.
If a server in Australia is streaming it to a network in Australia it's not illegal. Virtually you'll be viewing it in Australia. Think of it like sitting on the border of one country while watching something across the border. Am sure I'll be challenged on that point, but that's how I see it (without knowing too much about how it works and loopholes etc.
I just know it's not illegal because I figure it's the same as signing up for netflix. Not illegal but against netflix T&Cs - but then they don't exactly enforce it as they like taking your money.
I checked out livesport.tv last year and it's a British provider - their A-League coverage is only supposed to be available in the UK and Europe (and territories where no none else has the rights). Not supposed to be available in Australia either.
If you use a VPN like Hola you'll have to choose an option like the UK in order to access the A-League coverage.
Note that livesport.tv are a perfectly legitimate provider, not an illegal streamer.
It's just that they can provide certain leagues and sports in certain parts of the world they have the rights for (and that doesn't include Australia and NZ for the A-League).
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I've signed up with livesport.tv, will see how their live coverage of the A-League goes. One downside is they have highlights of previous games and not full replays. Bummer.
The inability to watch games on demand or record games is why I'll be sticking with Sky.
I record games sometimes if I'm going out and also watch games at my parents' place sometimes over a takeaway curry.
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Just saw an ad on Sky for the Phoenix and the A-League.
Also noticed they're actually using the Phoenix and the A-League in an ad to encourage people to sign up to Sky TV with Sky Sport free for two months.
They've had many more ads for the Breakers' new basketball season than the Phoenix though - and the ads are much flasher.
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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pretty sure it's not illegal to sign up. It may be against livesport.tv terms and condition.
If a server in Australia is streaming it to a network in Australia it's not illegal. Virtually you'll be viewing it in Australia. Think of it like sitting on the border of one country while watching something across the border. Am sure I'll be challenged on that point, but that's how I see it (without knowing too much about how it works and loopholes etc.
I just know it's not illegal because I figure it's the same as signing up for netflix. Not illegal but against netflix T&Cs - but then they don't exactly enforce it as they like taking your money.
yeah that's a good theory but in reality however you get the content if you are watching it in NZ from a provider other than the rights holder your theoretically breaking the law - will anything actually happen? don't know - and that's the real question I guess. That's not just A-League that's anything that has rights owned in NZ - for example streaming premier league from a site other than PLP would be illegal.
You aren't breaking the law if you pay for it from an overseas source, probably just breaking that sites terms of service. It's a much greyer area if you just watch on one of the free streamming sites like firstrow or wiziwig. buying from an overseas site like Netflix can be compared to parallel importing. It's just like buying a movie or game or anything really off amazon in the states and then getting it shipped to you over here, that isn't illegal.
sorry I think your wrong on this one - it's also not a great example you have given.
More accurate would be a little while back when someone imported British marmite during the great marmite drought and Sanitarium threatened to take the guy who imported it to court - same thing here - SKY have paid to show (or in some cases not show) A-League in NZ so anyone else who allows it to be shown in NZ is in-fact breaching the law. that's my take on it anyway!
And, again, you are making the point that the party SHOWING it is breaking the exclusive rights, NOT the party downloading it.
That's the point. The reason that the streaming party's terms and conditions limit it to only being available to people in certain places is that they, THE STREAMER, only have the rights to provide the content in certain places.
The person downloading the stream might lie to the streaming provider and say they are from the place where the streamer has the rights to provide the content, e.g. I might say that I am in Australia when in fact I am in New Zealand.
I am being dishonest, but I am not acting illegally, except insofar as I am (probably) agreeing to the terms and conditions, and then breaching the provider's terms and conditions... although some people even argue that that is agrey area.
But the illegality is in the stream provider providing content into a market they do not have the rights to do so into, but tehy argue that their terms and conditions indicate that they are not trying to do that, and that if I am dishonest, what can they do about it.
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after watching the first few games of the a-league on livesport.tv i would now definitely recommend it to anyone without sky but wants to watch the phoenix on the good quality legitimate stream. not quite as stable as premier league pass sometimes tho but still good.
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Nah it doesnt seem to, thats one of the disadvantages of it. Not quite as good as a premier league pass type service but it is still decent. Only like 10 bucks a month.
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Holy sh*t.
Sky sport has an FFA cup quarterfinal live tomorrow night. I nearly just died of shock when I saw that.
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Holy sh*t.
Sky sport has an FFA cup quarterfinal live tomorrow night. I nearly just died of shock when I saw that.
Hang on, what the actual fuck?
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
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Holy sh*t.
Sky sport has an FFA cup quarterfinal live tomorrow night. I nearly just died of shock when I saw that.
Hang on, what the actual fuck?
Don't worry it was a mistake, it was meant to be a quarter final of the Darts.
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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After watching that game, I think I'd have preferred the darts, to be honest.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Could be trouble brewing over Sky continuing coverage of the A-League since they probably won't want to pay what the FFA want and viewership is poor:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/football-soccer/news/art...
This info originally comes from an article last week by Michael Cockerill who would know, being both a commentator for Fox and editor of the FFA (including A-League) websites:
"It's understood the FFA hold concerns around the fact Sky paid only $200,000 for the rights to screen the competition this year. In future, they want upwards of $1 million.
That would be a significant jump for Sky but not outlandish given they reportedly pay about $17 million a season for the rights to the NRL.
The FFA want to expand the A-League from 10 to 12 teams in 2017 when the new broadcasting deal is negotiated."
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Considering they have lost the golf and EPL, they will not want to lose HAL. That would be a real dumb move. They have the extra cash and I think they will up the ante. $1m is not unreasonable.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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On the livesport.tv feed just before Ernie appeared on camera for the post match interview you can hear the team singing in the background.
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Considering they have lost the golf and EPL, they will not want to lose HAL. That would be a real dumb move. They have the extra cash and I think they will up the ante. $1m is not unreasonable.
The thing is though, unlike some other sports which they have lost, Sky do all our home games themselves. If they lose A-League rights, who's going to show up with the cameras and all the crew necessary to broadcast them?? Sky have a bit of leverage here.
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I persevere with Sky sports because of the A-league football coverage. If Sky lost that then I might as well cancel my sports, although I do profess to enjoy the darts
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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axxaa for best avatar!
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.
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Very true but then I guess the HAL could contract OSB and then onsell the rights to the next highest bidder in NZ. Sommet would be interested you would think. Sky may not sit as smug as some people think but I doubt they will be shaking in their boots.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Very true but then I guess the HAL could contract OSB and then onsell the rights to the next highest bidder in NZ. Sommet would be interested you would think. Sky may not sit as smug as some people think but I doubt they will be shaking in their boots.
COverage on sommet would be worse than sky. They only have one channel so would end up showing most games delayed.
They are therefore likely to value the A league less than sky does.
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I persevere with Sky sports because of the A-league football coverage. If Sky lost that then I might as well cancel my sports, although I do profess to enjoy the darts
We are in the same boat, (including watching the darts), The wife tends to watch other sports more than me but if Sky lost the A league we would deffo bin the sports subscription.
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Very true but then I guess the HAL could contract OSB and then onsell the rights to the next highest bidder in NZ. Sommet would be interested you would think. Sky may not sit as smug as some people think but I doubt they will be shaking in their boots.
COverage on sommet would be worse than sky. They only have one channel so would end up showing most games delayed.
They are therefore likely to value the A league less than sky does.
They're looking at launching another channel regardless. There was mention of it a few months ago. They already have to delay too much live stuff as it is and a second channel really is their only other option if they want to keep attracting audiences and more rights.
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A football channel could surely clean up if Sky lost A-League too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Could be trouble brewing over Sky continuing coverage of the A-League since they probably won't want to pay what the FFA want and viewership is poor:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/football-soccer/news/art...
This info originally comes from an article last week by Michael Cockerill who would know, being both a commentator for Fox and editor of the FFA (including A-League) websites:
"It's understood the FFA hold concerns around the fact Sky paid only $200,000 for the rights to screen the competition this year. In future, they want upwards of $1 million.
That would be a significant jump for Sky but not outlandish given they reportedly pay about $17 million a season for the rights to the NRL.
The FFA want to expand the A-League from 10 to 12 teams in 2017 when the new broadcasting deal is negotiated."
The more I think about it, the surer I am that the fuss around the cockerill article is a broadside at SKY rather than at the Phoenix
- SKY don't value those rights, there's no "additional A-League content" around the games to encourage more interest
- the total value of the rights is pretty poor
- mention in the Telegraph about partnering with free to air
- I don't really think this is about the Phoenix at all
I don't think there is any reason why the FFA would really want to get rid of the Phoenix, but they do need interest in NZ to be able to sell to sponsors that they are selling into both Australia's 2omn people and NZ's 4.5. If ratings are down that affects that whole story for them.
Normo's coming home
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