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Terry and his money (aka gone...or not..)

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terminator_x wrote:

ballane wrote:
Thats all well and good,but this continual bad press cant be good when you are trying to resign players or attract new players to the club.


Can anybody confirm my understanding that the FFA actually guarantees players contracts? i.e. if a club goes under the FFA guarantees that the players will get paid (at least until they find another contract).If so, it means that concern that Terry's current financial situation would put players off signing is somewhat mis-placed.



Nope, Fowler tried (maybe still is)suing the FFA about the Fury folding in the first season. Further info below

http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/worldfootball/oceana/8176-robbie-fowler-suing-former-club-and-ffa-over-unpaid-contract

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'Sporting and mining magnate Nathan Tinkler has withdrawn his $100 million takeover bid for the Newcastle Knights and said he would have no further dealings with the rugby league club under the current management.'

 
For that kind of $$$$$$ he could buy the buy the whole A-League! 
 
Or lend a few $$ to Terry. He'd get it back. Promise!
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Is it a pre-requisite for mining magnates to be fat?

I thought the whole reason why the Jests gold strip was done away with was to align with the Knights...now he isn't even buying them!
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scribbler wrote:

'Sporting and mining magnate Nathan Tinkler has withdrawn his $100 million takeover bid for the Newcastle Knights and said he would have no further dealings with the rugby league club under the current management.'



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For that kind of�$$$$$$ he could buy the buy the whole A-League!�

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Or�lend�a few $$ to Terry. He'd get it�back. Promise!


we should email him quickly, let him know terry is keen for some of that pie

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Its just negotiation tactics.
From the reaction, that tactic worked.
He'll be back, cheaper than before,...and so it goes.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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Doloras wrote:
I have to say this one more time for those "need new owners" fools. What you are saying is: "we need someone who's prepared to lose a million dollars a year on having his own football team." I am firmly of the belief that the kind of person prepared to do that is also the kind of person who will wait until the last possible moment to pay his bills. The alternative to Terry is a Terry-like person.
 
That ignores the fact that a different owner running the club in a different way may be able to operate without losing the same amount of money

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4685558/Serepisos-to-sell-half-of-Phoenix
 
This does not fill me with confidence, being 50% owned by a random foreign investor with no connection to the city or the club and with no obvious incentive to invest is certainly not my ideal club owner.  We all owe Terry a lot in term so fhis invesment in the club but I personally don't think it extends to a carte blanche acceptance of any decision that he makes.  I wish he could involve this guy in the restructure of his overall business without getting him involved in the ownership of the football club.

Normo's coming home

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Agree JD. Wouldn't any new part owner also need to be approved by the FFA and possibly NZ Football who own the licence? No word in article.
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Beggars cant be choosers..Nix could be a feeder club for Racing Santander....

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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Half of the Phoenix owned overseas... if the money goes that way that half will disappear and will never see ownership back in NZ ever again.

I appreciate there is money overseas, but by most accounts the man Terry is dealing with is dodgy.

I would very much prefer Terry stumped up and made a deal with someone locally, but perhaps his reputation proceeds him on that front, meaning he has to go overseas for the moneyArd Righ2011-02-22 06:50:38
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I'd heard rumours of an interest from an NZ investor who I regard as intelligent, principled and forward-thinking.

but I suppose a bird in the hand, is worth .....

on the plus side links to Racing S might be useful
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Goodbye frying pan. Hello fire.

I know, I know, its serious!

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Royal wrote:
Agree JD. Wouldn't any new part owner also need to be approved by the FFA and possibly NZ Football who own the licence? No word in article.
 
I am pretty sure that NZ football transferred the licence to Terry after season 1 and have no formal involvement.
 
As for the FFA approval, that would come down to the terms of the licence agreement but I suspect probably yes.  Although buckley and gorman have both been quoted in recent articles saying they are in touch with Terry every day, and you would assume that a plan to sell 50% of the club might have come up

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The more I think about this the more worried/annoyed I get.  There is absolutely no reason for this guy, who is being brought in to recapitalise Terry's business needs to take a stake in the Phoenix (a small, loss making part of his property business).  I don't see why or how the Phoenix has become so integrated and integral to Terry's businesses that any part of it needs to be sold, and it scares me a bit that so much focus seems to have come down to saving the 'nix.
 
I really would like to know some more details of the deal and what rights this new guy has in terms of decision making, what his plans as an investor etc are.  This is being sold to us as him saving the club - is it actually that dire, and if so, was this guy the only potential investor?
 
There are a lot of unanswered questions and I would kind of like to know some of the detail beihnd this.

Normo's coming home

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Turfmoore wrote:
Goodbye frying pan. Hello fire.

This.
E + R + O

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Whatever Terry does to save the club is Terry's business. We might have a view on whether this new partner is dodgey or not but that is Terry's problem. He owns the club and he can sell to whoever he likes. Personally I don't care if the money comes from Colombian Cocaine smugglers [oops] if I got all moralistic about what clubs Ii supported, what products I buy, what films I watch etc, I'd not spend much time doing anything except ........ [will I really go blind?]
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Ok, going to lock this thread temporarily, discussion on our new owners can move to the new thread

Normo's coming home

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This was on stuff/in the dom post today.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4714653/Court-for-Terry-Serepisos

Although it says

"Inland Revenue has officially advertised its attempt to put five of Terry Serepisos' companies � including the one that owns the Phoenix football team � into liquidation."

There is no such advert in the DOm post public notices section. Perhaps they appear in another paper.

*update* Quick search of the Herald Classifeds online doesn't turn up such a public notice either.
zonknz2011-03-01 08:59:25
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they were in the Dom Post last Wed or Thursday,,
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I told you ,Its not an Iceberg it's just a little white thing sticking out of the water!

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There was a journalist from the NBR on ZB yesterday saying the company and in particular the guy Terry is looking to get money is dodgy and has a history of lending at very low rates (4%) and insisting of large upfront fees (the case he quoted was for a $100m loan) of $700k and then not fronting with the cash.

An Aussie company is 40m out of pocket waiting for his finance. This company has made some dozen trips to Zurich to get their money but to no avail and are still waiting.

I tried to get the link to his story to post, but the NBR online is a subscription based site, the journo is a guy called Matt Nippert who seems to be linked with a raft of stories about Terry, mainly about his finances but also about 'The Apprentice' difficulties.

A couple of his recent tweets are...

"Why won't Serepisos return my calls? I won't bite, and "no comment" won't stop the presses..."

"Ye Gods, Serepisos is more interesting than I ever imagined."


Dougie Rydal2011-03-03 13:56:28

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Matt Nippert was an attention seeking clown when he wrote for Salient and clearly nothing has changed.

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Dougie Rydal wrote:
There was a journalist from the NBR on ZB yesterday saying the company and in particular the guy Terry is looking to get money is dodgy and has a history of lending at very low rates (4%) and insisting of large upfront fees (the case he quoted was for a $100m loan) of $700k and then not fronting with the cash.

An Aussie company is 40m out of pocket waiting for his finance. This company has made some dozen trips to Zurich to get their money but to no avail and are still waiting.

I tried to get the link to his story to post, but the NBR online is a subscription based site, the journo is a guy called Matt Nippert who seems to be linked with a raft of stories about Terry, mainly about his finances but also about 'The Apprentice' difficulties.

A couple of his recent tweets are...

"Why won't Serepisos return my calls? I won't bite, and "no comment" won't stop the presses..."

"Ye Gods, Serepisos is more interesting than I ever imagined."


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Dougie Rydal wrote:
There was a journalist from the NBR on ZB yesterday saying the company and in particular the guy Terry is looking to get money is dodgy and has a history of lending at very low rates (4%) and insisting of large upfront fees (the case he quoted was for a $100m loan) of $700k and then not fronting with the cash.

An Aussie company is 40m out of pocket waiting for his finance. This company has made some dozen trips to Zurich to get their money but to no avail and are still waiting.

I tried to get the link to his story to post, but the NBR online is a subscription based site, the journo is a guy called Matt Nippert who seems to be linked with a raft of stories about Terry, mainly about his finances but also about 'The Apprentice' difficulties.

A couple of his recent tweets are...

"Why won't Serepisos return my calls? I won't bite, and "no comment" won't stop the presses..."

"Ye Gods, Serepisos is more interesting than I ever imagined."



Hmmmm... that's all very interesting Matt but could you tweet what you have for breakfast?
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"Hmm, another phone call from that 'journalist' who's been trying to dig up some dirt and wants to do a hatchet job one me. Should I answer it......"

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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sanday wrote:
Hmmmm... that's all very interesting Matt but could you tweet what you have for breakfast?
 
The lack of Breakfast related Tweets is why I refuse to follow him.  I need to know if All bran is working for him !!

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On a side note, I really couldn't be arsed with Twitter. Facebook is bad enough.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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surely Terry's accountant knows how to google someones name

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Feverish wrote:
surely Terry's accountant knows how to google someones name
 
Terry has an accountant?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Feverish wrote:
surely Terry's accountant knows how to google someones name


He ran out of prepay credit.
E + R + O

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Jag wrote:
Feverish wrote:
surely Terry's accountant knows how to google someones name
 
Terry has an accountant?
 
Bernie Madoff.
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Feverish wrote:
surely Terry's accountant knows how to google someones name
 
But when you get very desperate sometimes good practice goes out the window - although I agree you would be very surprised if he didn't do his homework.  Terry is many things but he isn't an idiot

Normo's coming home

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Hard News wrote:
sanday wrote:
Hmmmm... that's all very interesting Matt but could you tweet what you have for breakfast?
 
The lack of Breakfast related Tweets is why I refuse to follow him.  I need to know if All bran is working for him !!
 
 
People who Tweet definately have the same affect as All Bran on me!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Feverish wrote:
surely Terry's accountant knows how to google someones name
 
this is what is keeping me going these days
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paulm wrote:
Feverish wrote:
surely Terry's accountant knows how to google someones name
 
this is what is keeping me going these days


Their internet's been disconnected :(
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Terry Serepisos� WGA middleman talks

Terry Serepisos has engaged the services of a former Auckland banker with an office in Luxembourg and connections to a mysterious Russian businessman to help save his businesses from financial ruin.

Mr Serepisos, facing bankruptcy and liquidation proceedings on Monday, has employed Daniel John William Hunt in the hope of landing a nine-figure loan from Western Gulf Advisory to bail out his Century City empire.

Mr Serepisos did not return calls this week but a source within the Serepisos camp told the National Business Review the developer was �very confident� of his promised money coming through before Monday�s court hearings.

But his hopes could be in vain given newspaper reports from Australia on Wednesday, following NBR�s lead, carrying critical stories of WGA�s lending activity in Australia.

The Sydney Morning Herald said half-a-dozen borrowers in Australia had sent an accumulated $40 million in fees abroad for loans that never arrived. And The Australian reported PR firm Jackson Wells severed its relationship with WGA in August after it was not satisfied the firm had the capacity to provide funds to desperate borrowers.

Mr Hunt, globetrotter
NBR understands that back in Wellington Mr Hunt has been working for more than four months for Mr Serepisos undertaking �due diligence� as part of the WGA deal.

�I have no relationship with Western Gulf, I have a relationship with Mr Serepisos. I was engaged by [him] to help him with issues that he�s got,� Mr Hunt told NBR.

Mr Hunt, 34, attended Dannevirke High School and graduated from Massey University in 2002 with a bachelor of applied science in rural valuation and management.

He worked at Westpac from 2000 until 2006 when he took up a position with Bank of New Zealand.

He now runs Westpark Global, a financial firm claiming to operate out of �Luxembourg, Moscow and Auckland.� He confirmed he travelled with Mr Serepisos to Zurich in February where WGA loan forms were signed.

He said he was �confident� the deal would go through: �I�ve got no reason to believe it won�t go through.�

He was reluctant to comment further but his estranged wife and an accountant familiar with his business partners paint a picture of a man hungry for financial success who has mixed with a mysterious Russian.

Ex-wife unloads
Anna Hunt of Hawke�s Bay said she separated from her husband about 12 months ago, and he had left the country in early 2010. He returned in October bearing a present for their son � a Wellington Phoenix shirt and shorts. This week he arrived with the gift of a Phoenix scarf.

Ms Hunt did not know of Mr Hunt�s connection to Western Gulf Advisory but found it amusing to be called by NBR: �The irony of it all [this] is that it is Daniel�s dream to appear in the NBR,� she said. �Only he wanted to be on the rich list!�

The Russian connection
After leaving BNZ, and before starting Westpark Global, Mr Hunt worked for Moscow-based businessman Adyl Khidirbekov and his Emerald group of companies. Several of these ventures, with Mr Hunt as a director, went sour. Emerald Hotels Gisbourne and Emerald Farming (2002) were liquidated last year.

Companies Office records show Mr Hunt replaced accountant Kevin Whitley as a trustee for Mr Khidirbekov. Mr Whitley told NBR he ended his association with the Russian over concerns about where Mr Khidirbekov�s funds were coming from.

Mr Whitley said he was sent to the UK in late 2005 to conclude a property joint venture deal with funds provided by Mr Khidirbekov.

Their partner in the UK, however, had other ideas: �He basically absconded with the money, right from the day it hit the bank accounts,� Mr Whitley said.

Money not chased
Mr Whitley talked to an English law firm and prepared a legal fight to regain the funds for Mr Khidirbekov.

�I fully expected them to take action against this guy, which is what any sane person would have done, because we�re talking about a substantial amount of money. It was running to several million pounds,� he said.

�You would expect anyone who had the right of law on their side to do anything to recover it. They did nothing. On the strength of that I decided it was far better for me not to be associated with these guys.�

Mr Hunt said the Russian and Mr Whitley were at loggerheads: �There was a shareholder dispute � that�s all I can comment on.�

Mr Hunt said Mr Whitley�s story of lost money in the UK was �laughable� as Mr Khidirbekov was a �well-known party in Russia.�

Mr Khidirbekov could not be reached for comment and despite claiming to a New Zealand newspaper that he founded a newspaper with a circulation of 300,000, the only record of him in international media clippings relates to his domestic activities with Emerald.

Mr Hunt said the lack of media stories about Khidirbekov was due to NBR failing to speak the local language: �How well can you read Russian my friend?�

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but his estranged wife and an accountant familiar with his business partners paint a picture of a man hungry for financial success who has mixed with a mysterious Russian.


Translation: "I am a tabloid reporter who will spin ANYTHING to make the gullible afraid of the people I'm targeting, without providing actual facts." I mean, look at that, the ex-wife said absolutely NOTHING damning, and is still characterised as "unloading". Nippert (it is him, right?) is doing his best to make it appear that there is something sinister and dodgy about a financial wheeler-dealer wanting to become rich. It's totally dishonest.Doloras2011-03-04 09:16:29

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Feverish wrote:

Ex-wife unloads
Anna Hunt of Hawke�s Bay said she separated from her husband about 12 months ago, and he had left the country in early 2010. He returned in October bearing a present for their son � a Wellington Phoenix shirt and shorts. This week he arrived with the gift of a Phoenix scarf.

Ms Hunt did not know of Mr Hunt�s connection to Western Gulf Advisory but found it amusing to be called by NBR: �The irony of it all [this] is that it is Daniel�s dream to appear in the NBR,� she said. �Only he wanted to be on the rich list!�

Wow. This whole paragraph is soooo pointless.
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