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Time to Sort S**t Out - CCM - Match Fred

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Time to Sort S**t Out - CCM - Match Fred
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The game is two whole weeks away but between now and then Ricki needs to formulate some sort of plan to get the Nix firing and grab our first win. I don't care if it takes our entire team running around snapping the mariners' legs but we need a proper result.

Firstly, our formation. It's time we actually use the line-up that we were planning all season, the 4-2-3-1. If this team does not perform on the 14th of September, some changes need to be made.
 
                            Moss
 
Mulligan     McKain         Durante     Lochhead
 
                   Dodd          Ferrante
 
        Bertos          Gao            Daniel
 
                     Smeltz.
 
If Moss doesn't preform, Paston has to start against Perth.
If McKain or Durante aren't solid, Dodd or Sidmund need to be given a go at CB.
If Mulligan or Lochhead don't deliver, Muscat will take a place against Perth.
Dodd needs to provide some serious grit, and Ferrante needs to shine, or else Brown has to be given a go.
Our Magic Three need to be just that: Magic; or Hearfield, Kwasnik, Barbarouses and Coveny will all be in major contention for a place in our attack.
Shane Smeltz is the only player who needs a starting berth no matter what.
 
Every single person on these forums and all the club's members need to get in the ear of every single person they know within 100 km of the RoF. We need a proper crowd cheering the Nix and giving hell to E**ich. The return of Pieman will provide us with the perfect opportunity to create one hell of an atmosphere and chant Central Coast out of the game.
Me and some mates will be handing out 'Got Pie?' signs before  the match, if you want to help print or distribute them please PM me.
 
Come on Fever, now is the time to really start pushing the Phoenix off the ground, for the sake of Wellington and New Zealand Football lets get the Nix going before people start turning on the club, because that would be a real shame, our team is so much better than what we've seen so far.
You know we belong together...

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Well said that man!


E + R + O

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Scrap Lochhead!!! he has fallen off the pace since he went away and gets drawn right in.manny muscat played well out there while T.L was away


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Oska wrote:
If Moss doesn't preform, Paston has to start against Perth. [/QUOTE]
You had me interested here
Oska wrote:
If McKain or Durante aren't solid, Dodd or Sidmund need to be given a go at CB. [/QUOTE] I kinda scratched my head here at that one
Oska wrote:
If Mulligan or Lochhead don't deliver, Muscat will take a place against Perth.
I started laughing here
[QUOTE=Oska] Dodd needs to provide some serious grit, and Ferrante needs to shine, or else Brown has to be given a go.
I realised you had lost me here
[QUOTE=Oska] Our Magic Three need to be just that: Magic; or Hearfield, Kwasnik, Barbarouses and Coveny will all be in major contention for a place in our attack.
I realised here you had no clue what you were talking about after that one....
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Another option in Defensive Midfield is bringing Simon Elliot in..It sounds a bit hasty, but neither Dodd or Johnson seem to be the answer, and unless Tim Brown can both prove his fitness and be effective, I think Elliot is our best chance of getting a good performer there. 
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kinda agree with HK Keeper
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HK_Keeper wrote:
Scrap Lochhead!!! he has fallen off the pace since he went away and gets drawn right in.manny muscat played well out there while T.L was away


 
But we saw Manny Muscat out of depth against Danny Alsop..

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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If muscat comes in for lochhead he'd only be up against Mr. Pie

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Round 3 over.
Looks as though there will be no El**ch-baiting next game, as he picked up a serious-looking injury. Other posters said ACL - my commentary was off as Mrs Wolf was talking to her sister again.

One wonders how much sorting out Ricki will have time for as he prepares the All Whites.

On a positive note, we may be last, but we're only a win from a playoff spot.

Come on boys!     


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Would love to be a fly on the wall at the next team meeting.
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big decision 20 bux for a ticket to watch the Phoenix or 20 bux to spend on beers.
 
beer makes me happy...
 
Phoenix as of yet have yet to make me happy...
 
wonder wat the odds would b for the nix to keep a clean sheet...should i put 20bux on that insted?
 
sigh nz football will always be sht...please prove me wrong..
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yeh HK Keepers right play muscut out there..Lockhead looks like a different player since his return from the riverside..what happend over there???
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Damn I was looking forward to ripping into El**ch all game!
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big decision 20 bux for a ticket to watch the Phoenix or 20 bux to spend on beers.
 
beer makes me happy...
 
Phoenix as of yet have yet to make me happy...
 
wonder wat the odds would b for the nix to keep a clean sheet...should i put 20bux on that insted?
 
sigh nz football will always be sht...please prove me wrong..
 
Good point about the beer but please write properly.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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TheJam wrote:
big decision 20 bux for a ticket to watch the Phoenix or 20 bux to spend on beers.
 
beer makes me happy...
 
Phoenix as of yet have yet to make me happy...
 
wonder wat the odds would b for the nix to keep a clean sheet...should i put 20bux on that insted?
 
sigh nz football will always be sht...please prove me wrong..
 
Good point about the beer but please write properly.
 
ROTFLMAO.
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Is it not time now to try a better formation?

MUST be two upfront.

I would like to see a 4-4-2 diamond shape.

                         Paston

Mulligan - McKain - Durante - Muscat
                        Johnson
Bertos                                       Gao
                       Daniel
          Smeltz          Barbarouses

Theres my team, I know a lot of you wont like it, but geez it is time for a change

Lochhead to come on as a sub, same with Coveny
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caseym wrote:
Is it not time now to try a better formation?

MUST be two upfront.

I would like to see a 4-4-2 diamond shape.

                         Paston

Mulligan - McKain - Durante - Muscat
                        Johnson
Bertos                                       Gao
                       Daniel
          Smeltz          Barbarouses

Theres my team, I know a lot of you wont like it, but geez it is time for a change

Lochhead to come on as a sub, same with Coveny
 
Whilst Moss hasn't had the best of season starts, I think its a little early to bring in Paston, perhaps if Mossy stuffs up in this game then bring Paston in the Perth game.
 
otherwise I'd agree, we need two up front and whoever it is had better score some goals.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Come to think of it, Hearfield needs to be in, he has been one of the better performers, maybe put Gao as a sub, Daniel of the left and Hearfield at CAM
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                         Moss
Mulligan - McKain - Durante - Lochhead
                    Johnson/Dodd
Bertos                                       Daniel
                       Gao
          Smeltz          Hearfield

We do need two upfront. And Costa can add some spark off the bench. Choose the lesser of two evils for DM, I'm not sure where I stand on that yet.

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4-4-2 and makesure that bertos gets a lot of ball as wide as possible.  When he played for Perth last year he tormented defenses and i dont see why he can't do it this year... we just need to get him the ball wide, in the right areas and get him to run at the defenders. 
 
Also how long is Riki gona wait to give Sigmund a chance - If we keep conceeding goals like this then he has to give him a shot at some point... If he doesnt then Ben might get pinched by one of the new franchises for next season.
 
feedback2008-09-01 14:19:41
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caseym wrote:
Is it not time now to try a better formation?

MUST be two upfront.

I would like to see a 4-4-2 diamond shape.

                         Paston

Mulligan - McKain - Durante - Muscat
                        Johnson
Bertos                                       Gao
                       Daniel
          Smeltz          Barbarouses

Theres my team, I know a lot of you wont like it, but geez it is time for a change

Lochhead to come on as a sub, same with Coveny
 
If we are leaking goals playing one up front, I hate to think how many we would conceade playing this many attacking players in one team...
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But you still have 5 defensive players there do you not?

Would you rather play a 10-0-0 formation?

We need to actually SCORE some too, not just concede...
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E + R + O

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I thought we had room for another all-out striker in the squadand the club was searching for such pre-season? Is there any news on that?
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I am going to stick my neck out there:

3-5-2

With a lot of people picking Dodd as their DM, I would rather have Dodd at CB if that gives Mulligan and Lochead more freedom. And this year we have a team that is a lot better suited to it than last year.

                                    Moss
             Durante          Mckain         Dodd
Mulligan                                                   Lochead
                         Ferrante        Johnson
                                 Gao/Daniel
                         Hearfield        Smeltz
Bench:
Paston
Muscat
Daniel/Gao
Coveny

Or

                                    Moss
             Durante          Mckain         Dodd
Mulligan                                                   Lochead
                                    Ferrante
             Gao                 Hearfield       Daniel
                                    Smeltz

Bench:
Paston
Muscat
Bertos
Coveny
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A 4-2-3-1 formation for me.
 
The formation picks itself really - with the Phoenix really only offering one goal scoring threat upfront. Smeltz to play - even if he has picked up bubonic plague.
 
The back four is weird, individually they look OK, but they're being overrun by opposing midfielders flooding forward. I'd go for a centre-back combination that shows some chemistry and understanding in training rather than based on the torrid 90 minutes they've been subjected too thanks to a weak midfield.
 
Didn't think too much of Mulligan on first view, even his much vaunted set-piece ability looked mediocre, but he might improve with more game time. In the mean time I'd play Muscat and Lochhead on the flanks. I know that theoretically they're both left sided - but I'd try it.
 
Two holding midfielders could be a choice of Dodd, Ferrante and Johnson - especially if someone gets into Dodd's face and explains that he's only there to tackle win the ball and play a simple 5 yard pass - no attemping the killer ball - YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH. But he can win tackles.
 
Daniel has to be the attacking midfielder, play him centrally and insist that he concentrate on being involved in most everything through short runs and passes. No mazy 30 yard sideways dribbles. Playing him for 45-60 minutews or on the flanks is a huge waste of footballing talent.
 
Out on the flanks I'd try Hearfield and Gao as both players have the ability to beat people, and do look to take a shot when it's one. Bertos is 2-3 seasons past his ability to live out wide in a team that's struggling for parity. I'd also look to bring on Barbarouses in this role too.
 
Moss vs Paston is a sideline debate really, there is little to choose between the two of them, although I'd probably go with Paston simply because Moss hasn't done well enough to lock in the spot - and if you're not going to use Paston now then WHEN ?
 
So thats :
 
                            Paston

Lochhead - McKain - Durante - Muscat

                Ferrante -  Johnson
Hearfield             Daniel                   Gao           
 
                          Smeltz         
 
A five man midfield give more compactness - but it also helps to split the roles better to fit the Phoenix players.  Ferrante, Dodd and Johnson can win ball, Daniel is a real playing talent, and Hearfield and Gao and Barbarouses can beat players and use space well.
 
I reckon that lineup would not have lost 0-3 last Saturday anyway.
 
 
 
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caseym wrote:


Would you rather play a 10-0-0 formation?

 
Theres an idea, draw every game 0-0. Mossy would easily top the clean sheets table.
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For me:-

Moss to keep his place but needs to take responsibility for organising his back four.

Back four of Mulligan, Dodd, Durante and Lochead.

Three in the middle with McKain, Johnson and Ferrante (Brown to come in for Johnson if he exists, although a cardboard cutout of Brown would have been as effective as some of our midfield last week).

Smelz up front with Daniel on left and Bertos on right (though tempted to pop Gao in there rather than Bertos).

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spoken to cut out of Brown - he's dead keen to get out there, totally up for it!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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I would like to see our top team go out together  against CCM, in the formation we trained for all off season i.e a 4-2-3-1

            Moss
Mully Dura McKain Lochy
       Dodd  Ferrante
Gao     Daniel      Bertos
           Smeltz
 
That is the team that should play against the Mariners, though i would not have a prob if Hearfield took the place of one of the holy trinity.
My bench would be
Paston
Johno
Hearfield
Covs
bopman2008-09-01 16:58:57

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formation won't make an ounce of difference if we don't play with heart and as a team  - this isn't football manager
Cosimo2008-09-01 17:12:55
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Cosimo wrote:

formation won't make an once of difference if we don't play with heart and as a team  - this isn't football manager
Well said, and i hope this is what Ricki is telling the boys for all of the 3 days he has them next week!

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caseym wrote:
But you still have 5 defensive players there do you not?

Would you rather play a 10-0-0 formation?

We need to actually SCORE some too, not just concede...
Yes you have 5, but you also have 5 who don't know how to defend.
 
I'd rather draw 0-0 then lose 8-4.
 
With Smeltz in the team we are always going to score goals.
 
Its at the other end that are problems are, so I don't see the point in taking defensive minded players out 
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PK10 wrote:
Moss vs Paston is a sideline debate really, there is little to choose between the two of them, although I'd probably go with Paston simply because Moss hasn't done well enough to lock in the spot - and if you're not going to use Paston now then WHEN ?
 
At the start of the thread I said that vs Perth is the game to look at changes like Keeper and Centre back combos.
 
On the sides of the defence, I think Mulligan needs to be given time to settle in to RB, if muscat is coming in, it should be for Lochhead who needs time to slow down after an intense few rounds followin a ten day premiership trial. Hopefully we'll see him back to his old self against New Caledonia
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------------Moss------------
-Manny-Dodd---Durante-Lochhead
-Costa--Johnson-Daniel-Gao-
-------Covs------Smeltz---------

Bertos/Hearfield to come on for Covs after 60+


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I think the best way to strengthen the midfield is to get more people in there.  We should slightly tweak the formation to be a 4-3-3 with 3 central midfielders and proper wingers.
 
To me it's not all the personnel, the tactics and formation have not been working.  Now it might be we don't have the players for the formation/tactics or that they just need more time (which we are running out of) but I think we need to keep it simple.
 
With genuine wingers we can play with the width we want while still giving support to Smeltz and with the 3 centre mids we strengthen that area where we seem to have been found wanting too many times.
 
So I don't really want to get into who would play where as plenty of combo's would work but this is the sort've thing I'm thinking:
Hearfield      Smeltz         Bertos
 
                 Ferrante
           Dodd         Johnson
 
Lochhead McKain Durrante Mulligan
 
You still have your fullbacks up in support when they can but they (LOCHHEAD) need to remember their duties first and foremost is defence.
 
Or if we want to really get back to basics we could go with a proper 4-4-2 but if we do that Coveny needs to be one of the 2 up front as our target man to work off.
 
And then I'd use Daniel at LM, Johnson and Ferrante at CM and even Christie at RM but just keep the gameplan simple.  As I said the actual players aren't that important to me it's playing in the correct manner and to a simple, effective gameplan.
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energy24.7 wrote:
To me it's not all the personnel, the tactics and formation have not been working.  Now it might be we don't have the players for the formation/tactics or that they just need more time (which we are running out of) but I think we need to keep it simple.
 
The tactics haven't been working because we have gone away from what WAS working in pre-season. 4-2-3-1. Some of it has been due to injury and sickness so am looking forward to when we have a fully fit squad again.
 
Also like many others here I don't understand some of the substitutions that have been made, especially with regard to Daniel. And I think Kwasnik should not be starting. He just doesn't look involved enough.
 
With regard to the defensive lapses and general disorganisation back there, I wonder if this has anything o do with on field captaincy? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this Durante's first season as a captain? Maybe he's not up to it and would be better left focussing on his own game. Would like to see McKain as captain although don't know how much experience he has at it either.
 
And DM has to be Dodd. I don't know why everyone rates Johnson so much. Yes he's a better passer, but he just doesn't hold his position properly, so we keep getting a flood of opposition midfielders running at the defence. Ferrante is the playmaker. Leave it to him.
 
So my formation would be:
 
                                           Moss
 
Mulligan           Durante                McKain            Lochhead
 
                             Dodd
                                              Ferrante
        
               Gao                        Daniel                    Bertos
 
                                           Smeltz
 
Subs:
Paston
Johnson
Hearfield
Coveny
 
If a defender has to be taken off Dodd can slot back there and Johnson take his place.
 



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I think we need to play 5 at the back with wingbacks, so that our widemen can play further foward (as they barely track back anyway) and so we have cover when the wingbacks push foward (as they have been doing at will).
 
Alternatively I'm not against 4-3-3, or maybe we should let Ferrante be the attcking midfielder behind the striker? If we give him a free role, maybe his passing game and vision will come into play more often. Then we could play 2 defensive midfielders instead of wasting Ferrante's talent on defensive duties. 
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Because all of us are excellent top-line coaches that know how a system works intimately and players roles in the selected system.

The Phoenix don't have a defensive midfielder on their books. Not a true defensive midfielder like Jonas Salley or dare I say it - Ivan Vicelich. So until they do they are better to play with an extra midfielder in the middle with coverage from wide players. Whatever system they choose to use they need to ensure they outnumber the opposition in the middle of the park and protect their weak middle where all the goals are coming from.
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