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Time to Sort S**t Out - CCM - Match Fred

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oh, and at least the point lifts us off the bottom of the table... Unless Perth can manage a win or draw with the Roar tonight.
 
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what would Gao at 60 minutes have been like you wonder? 


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martinb wrote:
what would Gao at 60 minutes have been like you wonder? 
 
 
greedy... hog the ball.. wouldn't pass..

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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martinb wrote:
Wolfben wrote:
Im sick of seeing these performances. New manager please. 


seriously though a Bosnich tip away from a win, good work at the back not conceding late.  Like the Kwasinik shot against Queensland.

It looked good there for a bit with Smeltz, Mully, Covs and Brown combing, Gao looked threatening, though against a tired team admittedly.

Don't like the target man strategy with all the ball players we do have, but also the midfield was very tight at the start of this game.




And they had how many close calls? We had that one opportunity.
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Scottishbhoy wrote:
martinb wrote:
what would Gao at 60 minutes have been like you wonder? 
 
 
greedy... hog the ball.. wouldn't pass..


yeh I haven't watched him play much. Didn't see preseason and he didn't play on the 17th and 24th.

what do you think he might be like in a advanced midfield role trying to run through the middle or on the fast break?

We seemed to lack pace on attack, we were always holding back and hoofing it, trying to find Covs in the air.


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Wolfben wrote:
martinb wrote:
Wolfben wrote:
Im sick of seeing these performances. New manager please. 


seriously though a Bosnich tip away from a win, good work at the back not conceding late.  Like the Kwasinik shot against Queensland.

It looked good there for a bit with Smeltz, Mully, Covs and Brown combing, Gao looked threatening, though against a tired team admittedly.

Don't like the target man strategy with all the ball players we do have, but also the midfield was very tight at the start of this game.




And they had how many close calls? We had that one opportunity.


well, Petrovski should have scored when he cut inside Dura, but we had some great pressure in the second half. Just couldn't sustain it. Thought we were always a chance in that second half.

ahh well, sorry man I'm always believing, and it helps that I didn't see the Adelaide game. It was 0-0 ball because their other chances weren't gimmies by any means, and Moss played good.


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we played our hearts out - waaaay better than last game, Moss was awesome. We can't complain about their commitment tonight.

didn't understand the sub choices though
Cosimo2008-09-14 19:24:15
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jamesnz wrote:
Oh, and at least the point lifts us off the bottom of the table... Unless Perth can manage a win or draw with the Roar tonight.
 
 
Looking pretty good - Perth are 2-0 down already!
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bloody dull game, refferee was very kind to us from time to time
You know we belong together...

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Positives out of a dull game of poor quality - from both sides;
 
Moss - back to form of old and thank f**k for that - he earned us a point.
Defence - the back four worked very well together - John, take no sh*t, McKain had a great game and Mulligan also played well and added plenty going forward.
Held Mariners scoreless - you don't concede you can't loose.
 
The shaking head in disbeliefs;
 
Dodd playing in the midfield - even Pavlov's dog would have figured out by now Dodd doesn't have the ball skill and speed to play in the midfield - the 2 great through balls to Mariner's strikers in our box are another clue.
Daniel off - why ????
Mulligan to midfield - the back four is playing the best they have all season - why change them ??? 
Conceding bloody stupid yellow cards
 
It was ugly but let's take the point and go and get 3 next week at the Glory.
 
Whitby boy2008-09-14 20:15:32
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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lol @ the long balls and inability to pass. Pathetic stuff. We are worse than last season, no doubt about it. Thought Durante and Moss were good though.

CCM, Newcastle, Us, Perth and QLD are nowhere near the top 3 at the moment.
valeo2008-09-14 20:20:07

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thought siggy looked much more effective at RB than Mulligan
You know we belong together...

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Bosnich is a fat f**k.
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Whitby boy wrote:
Positives out of a dull game of poor quality - from both sides;
 
Moss - back to form of old and thank f**k for that - he earned us a point.
Defence - the back four worked very well together - John, take no sh*t, McKain had a great game and Mulligan also played well and added plenty going forward.
Held Mariners scoreless - you don't concede you can't loose.
 
The shaking head in disbeliefs;
 
Dodd playing in the midfield - even Pavlov's dog would have figured out by now Dodd doesn't have the ball skill and speed to play in the midfield - the 2 great through balls to Mariner's strikers in our box are another clue.
Daniel off - why ????
Mulligan to midfield - the back four is playing the best they have all season - why change them ??? 
Conceding bloody stupid yellow cards
 
It was ugly but let's take the point and go and get 3 next week at the Glory.
 
Daniel was doing nothing useful, he's so over rated I find it incredible. Daniel being taken off was the right call for me.
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HarryPeters wrote:


Bosnich is a fat f**k.
 
Agree completely. Was sitting with my old man and when he saw the keeper "Holy sh*t that keepers fat!"
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What was the crowd number? 7k?

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Arsenal wrote:
What was the crowd number? 7k?
6.9k or something. We need to start winning, it's the only way to get the crowds back, I wish the games started about 1 hour earlier as well. 
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I actually did not like Mulligan at the back, Siggy did well when he came on. Daniel kept running into cul de sacs. Moss-legend although noticed he was arguing with Durante a bit.

We cannot play the ball along the ground at all.On the break we looked horribly slow.

Awful first half. Slightly better second half.

What the f**k was with that "coaching session" at half time? "You lot have been sh*t so lets been having some extra training!?"

Lucky CCM never bothered to show up for the game either although they should have had a peno.

Something is wrong. The fever has caught it as well as we were awful too. Everyone gone as soon and some before the whistle went.

I was sober tonight.

But the good thing is that I didn't waste another annual leave day to watch this. So that was one plus.

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6926 to be exact.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We should allrealize by now Herbert has no idea how to coach a professional football side, its as simple as that my friends. He should be a man about it and quit.
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ForteanTimes wrote:
I actually did not like Mulligan at the back, Siggy did well when he came on. Daniel kept running into cul de sacs. Moss-legend although noticed he was arguing with Durante a bit.

We cannot play the ball along the ground at all.On the break we looked horribly slow.

Awful first half. Slightly better second half.

What the f**k was with that "coaching session" at half time? "You lot have been sh*t so lets been having some extra training!?"

Lucky CCM never bothered to show up for the game either although they should have had a peno.

Something is wrong. The fever has caught it as well as we were awful too. Everyone gone as soon and some before the whistle went.

I was sober tonight.

But the good thing is that I didn't waste another annual leave day to watch this. So that was one plus.


yep agreed on nummber one we kept starting to break and then hold it back and hoof it at Covs head and have no one in attacking mid to collect his tap downs.

Watching on the tele I don't think either penalty shout was justified. The first one was a straight dive and good yellow. The second one was more bona fide, but the guy didn't compete for the ball he just went down straight away. The ref was good I thought.



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auskiwi wrote:
We should allrealize by now Herbert has no idea how to coach a professional football side, its as simple as that my friends. He should be a man about it and quit.
I don't know if Herbet should quit but he really should be doing a better job with the Phoenix. This year they seem to be doing the same things as last year and Herbet isn't coaching it out of the players.
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martinb wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
I actually did not like Mulligan at the back, Siggy did well when he came on. Daniel kept running into cul de sacs. Moss-legend although noticed he was arguing with Durante a bit.

We cannot play the ball along the ground at all.On the break we looked horribly slow.

Awful first half. Slightly better second half.

What the f**k was with that "coaching session" at half time? "You lot have been sh*t so lets been having some extra training!?"

Lucky CCM never bothered to show up for the game either although they should have had a peno.

Something is wrong. The fever has caught it as well as we were awful too. Everyone gone as soon and some before the whistle went.

I was sober tonight.

But the good thing is that I didn't waste another annual leave day to watch this. So that was one plus.


yep agreed on nummber one we kept starting to break and then hold it back and hoof it at Covs head and have no one in attacking mid to collect his tap downs.

Watching on the tele I don't think either penalty shout was justified. The first one was a straight dive and good yellow. The second one was more bona fide, but the guy didn't compete for the ball he just went down straight away. The ref was good I thought.



Fair point on the penos then as I never saw the reply for the second, but from where I was standing, particularly with the, (as Turfmoore described him),  "Lotto Ref", CCM were unlucky as Mossy went straight to his line like he expected it to be a penalty.
ForteanTimes2008-09-14 20:44:15

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I thought Mulligan's distribution was apalling, and a big part of the overall problem.  Moss would pass to him to start the build up, he'd promptly lose it, and we were straight back on defence.  To be fair Mulligan wasn't the only culprit, but he carried on in similar vein once moved to midfield.  IMO Sigmund looked the best right back so far seen in Phoenix colours, though we shouldn't read too much into 20 mins I guess.

Would write a full review but I'm too knackered.  What a pearler of a day.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The penalty shout where Hutchinson got booked for diving was a penalty. Mossy got a good chunk of him and bought him down. I think even Moss was expecting a penalty the way he reacted

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bopman wrote:
The penalty shout where Hutchinson got booked for diving was a penalty. Mossy got a good chunk of him and bought him down. I think even Moss was expecting a penalty the way he reacted
That looked like diving to me. I would have given a penalty for the other one though.
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ForteanTimes wrote:
martinb wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
I actually did not like Mulligan at the back, Siggy did well when he came on. Daniel kept running into cul de sacs. Moss-legend although noticed he was arguing with Durante a bit.

We cannot play the ball along the ground at all.On the break we looked horribly slow.

Awful first half. Slightly better second half.

What the f**k was with that "coaching session" at half time? "You lot have been sh*t so lets been having some extra training!?"

Lucky CCM never bothered to show up for the game either although they should have had a peno.

Something is wrong. The fever has caught it as well as we were awful too. Everyone gone as soon and some before the whistle went.

I was sober tonight.

But the good thing is that I didn't waste another annual leave day to watch this. So that was one plus.


yep agreed on nummber one we kept starting to break and then hold it back and hoof it at Covs head and have no one in attacking mid to collect his tap downs.

Watching on the tele I don't think either penalty shout was justified. The first one was a straight dive and good yellow. The second one was more bona fide, but the guy didn't compete for the ball he just went down straight away. The ref was good I thought.



Fair point on the penos then as I never saw the reply for the second, but from where I was standing, particularly with the, (as Turfmoore described him),  "Lotto Ref", CCM were unlucky as Mossy went straight to his line like he expected it to be a penalty.


That's not because it was a legitimate penalty, but because the refs have previously been giving out penalties like a lolly scramble. There has been a fair few dancing on ice in the box, but the refs have been giving them the benefit of the doubt. I thought the ref was fairly consistent, gave protection, but didn't have time for those who weren't competing.


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I hate to agree with the comment about RH., but when you make statements that Lockhead is the best left back in the league and Dodd still gets a game, then I am wondering what the hell is going on.
Both fullbacks at throw-ins just looped the ball up the line all game. I watched an under 12 year game yesterday and they did the same thing- kept giving the ball away.
Not a lot of coaching going on?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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What a crap game of football. And from that I am having a go at both sides, but just not that enjoyable to watch (apart from probs the last two minutes!). Agree- I do think that the defence played some of their best yet this season, but Mully's distribution was just sh*t. As everyone has said, CM's were getting dominated in the park, strange subs etc etc.
 
To be honest, I think I spent as much time watching the game as I did watching Bosnich. WTF was he doing out there?! Sprinting from side to side, constant stretching, star jumps, very very funny. Poor guy looked like he was hallucinating. And then not taking his own free kicks, so funny. Lazy prick.
 
I'd pay money to watch him perform for 90. Although it was too easy, the chants to him were awesome.
 
Av performance nix, better than a loss, but Bosnich, you are a strange strange man.
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William wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:
Positives out of a dull game of poor quality - from both sides;
 
Moss - back to form of old and thank f**k for that - he earned us a point.
Defence - the back four worked very well together - John, take no sh*t, McKain had a great game and Mulligan also played well and added plenty going forward.
Held Mariners scoreless - you don't concede you can't loose.
 
The shaking head in disbeliefs;
 
Dodd playing in the midfield - even Pavlov's dog would have figured out by now Dodd doesn't have the ball skill and speed to play in the midfield - the 2 great through balls to Mariner's strikers in our box are another clue.
Daniel off - why ????
Mulligan to midfield - the back four is playing the best they have all season - why change them ??? 
Conceding bloody stupid yellow cards
 
It was ugly but let's take the point and go and get 3 next week at the Glory.
 
Daniel was doing nothing useful, he's so over rated I find it incredible. Daniel being taken off was the right call for me.
At last someone else who dosnt look at a brazilian player through rose colored glasses.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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I was all for seeing Smeltz and Coveny up front together, but it didn't work Coveny tried hard but just couldn't hold the ball up and lay it off. Man do we need another striker.

Much as its up to the players on the park to perform I worry that Ricki is not up to it. This team is better on paper than last year but they are playing worse and they do not look a happy bunch. If Brown is fit to sit on the bench then he should be on in the centre of the midfield. The combination of Dodd and Johnson in midfield has to be the worst in the league. With these two in centre mid field we're playing the long ball, but we're not set up to play the long ball game so what the hell are we doing?

What has happened to Lochead he was poor again and needs a real wake up call.

Hearfield after a bright start has drifted and apart from a few good moments was a passenger.

Thought Durante and McKain looked a bit more aggressive this week.

The crowd started out well but went as flat as the football as the game went on, cannot blame the crowd as the football was not inspiring and we could not hold possession long enough to sustain any momentum.



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ballane wrote:
William wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:
Positives out of a dull game of poor quality - from both sides;
 
Moss - back to form of old and thank f**k for that - he earned us a point.
Defence - the back four worked very well together - John, take no sh*t, McKain had a great game and Mulligan also played well and added plenty going forward.
Held Mariners scoreless - you don't concede you can't loose.
 
The shaking head in disbeliefs;
 
Dodd playing in the midfield - even Pavlov's dog would have figured out by now Dodd doesn't have the ball skill and speed to play in the midfield - the 2 great through balls to Mariner's strikers in our box are another clue.
Daniel off - why ????
Mulligan to midfield - the back four is playing the best they have all season - why change them ??? 
Conceding bloody stupid yellow cards
 
It was ugly but let's take the point and go and get 3 next week at the Glory.
 
Daniel was doing nothing useful, he's so over rated I find it incredible. Daniel being taken off was the right call for me.
At last someone else who dosnt look at a brazilian player through rose colored glasses.
 
I think a key point with Daniel being subbed was that he was taken off for Siggy, pushing Mully up. Daniel atleast has a level of creativity to him, Mully couldn't play that way if you paid him in blonde hair dye.
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Sorry to bring it up again but anyone think the half time "coaching session" was friggin odd? Cannot recall ever seeing a first team all come out at half time for extra coaching like that.  I thought it looked embarrassing particularly when CCM then walked on as normal 5 mins later, the phoenix looked like they were being told off and made to do detention or something. All this space-age training doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere. 

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It wasn't really training, more like running round cones, possibly to keep warm but I don't see the point really.

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If you look at when we had conceded goals in our first three games we had conceded immediately following halftime, come out early stay warm and sharp to try to stop that tendency. Worked so i wouldn't bag it

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The reason they did that is because they have looked average in the first five minutes of the second half in almost every match - the logic was to get out on the pitch earlier and get back in the right frame of mind, and not get caught on the "sucker punch"
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getting them out early before the start of the second half did it's job  and i'm not at all bothered how it looked
 
it stopped us conceding in the first five minutes of the second half (as we had done in theprevious two home games!)
 
 
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bopman wrote:
If you look at when we had conceded goals in our first three games we had conceded immediately following halftime, come out early stay warm and sharp to try to stop that tendency. Worked so i wouldn't bag it
 
Yeah fair call. Do you think we'll see it next game though? 
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Whats happen to your crowds .........10, 516, 6110, & 6, 926, totalling 23, 552  for the first three games; last season crowds totalled 38, 026 in your first 3 games.Two broad issues, first in view that there are at least 10 serious bidders for A-League spots over here and the league wants to be seen as growing and even if crowds fall not to extent yours have ..... 14, 500 odd in 3 matches almost 5, 000 per match, what kinda message is this sending FFA........ more importantly does such a fall hurt the FFA in its pushing for the next media deal and sponsors. I am not assuming there is any risk but if things don't improve crowd wise it will place a lot of pressure on Frank Lowy who is the one who wants a NZ side in the league to justify his call.
 
Second reading pre season reports coming out of WP, crowds were accepted to increase so assume you are 7, 000 down per match on budget .......... say this reamins the same over 10 rounds, 70, 000 people at say $ 12.00 per head. Meaning shortfall on budget of $840, 00  ....   OK figures pulled out of the air by myself ........but no one in Australia saw a fall in crowds only and increase ........ what does this do to your budget and ability to sign a top player next year.
 
Hope your numbers pisck up for the Perth match.
Midfielder2008-09-14 21:15:24

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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