The Great 2016/17 Coaching Saga

One thing that make Ramon stand out is the free spending of ACFC on players. As this has reduced he has been not so successful 

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At the risk of pissing off Patrick, I will repeat again what I said just a few days ago:

... "My argument was that we do not prevent teams from scoring (....) we have not won a game this season if the opposition team scored at least once. We do not win if the other team scores at least one goal. Does that not make you think? I would not mind not keeping a clean sheet as long as we score more goals than the other team. (....)"

I simply do not expect that Greenie and Des in charge will give us any improvement over what Ernie has done regarding the above.

While I also disliked Mark Bosnich' comments about us after the Jets' game, I think we are all well aware that we have a perfect example of a glass ceiling here. We have to work twice as hard to get any success in the league, can't play in the AFC Champions League, and have to put up with unreasonable criticism from Aussie punters and pundits alike. And what's more important, nobody is begging us to be there - we are tolerated at best. Hence anyone thinking that "more of the same" is going to win us any respect at FFA is dreaming. That is why we need to either set our aim higher than this mediocrity being peddled to us as class, or just pack away our stripey supporters' gear for good and just watch other teams on telly while saying loudly that "the A-League just does not rate".  

Could be doing the same thing for Ramon

double post

yep

Wouldn't mind an Aussie cooach at this stage actually - might deflect a bit of the anti-Nix sentiment at least. Rudan would be good, we'd stop getting any criticism from the Fox team!

Lets offer Bosnich the job and see what he can do!

Phoenix is officially a A-League club since 10 years. They don't have to be better than other clubs.

Mark Bosnich rethoric caught on you. I could use the same style of arguments on him, because if his past. Drug test failings, dodgy marriage to get visa, drunk driving and general lack of training attitude so he never been a true great goal keeper. That's why he has no right to be be on high ground. But I would never do that! I would never bring up personal stories to discredit a football expert. I only dislike him of my guts feelings, I think his haircut is suspicious and the fact we chant 'same old aussies, always cheating'

I'm honestly flabbergasted at the idea that Welnix would be influenced in their decision making based on the stupid opinions of half-drunk forumers. It's like people say they want William to be the next King instead of Charles - you don't get a vote, guys. Imagine if forum polls on who should be signed as coach or players were binding. What a horrible thought.

Ummm, last time we were looking for a coach

you wot mate? Find me an example of when then Phoenix openly said "this person applied for the job".

Poll ends at 22:00.

Question: Which contender would you feel most comfortable with to become the teams next coach?

You can vote here:

https://goo.gl/K8yx7e

It's a done inside job this time Patrick and you know it

Thus far the dynamic duo have no votes

That was my very first sneaky thought when I heard Rudan's name mentioned, and I'm sure a lot of other peoples as well. It's probably symptomatic of a nagging worry about the future of the club if we don't manage to secure FFA and it's media/marketing arm Fox Sport's full backing. Personally I think the carping criticism and downright wilful ignorance of the Fox pundits (Bosnich especially) is more damaging than some think. 

Whether it is independent opinion or a tacit reflection of FFA's own stance I don't know but all this bad publicity with the longterm future of the club in question is not good. I'm still confused as ever about who would be the best man for the coaching job but one thing I can say, admittedly from the position of a layman with absolutely no coaching experience or expertise whatsoever, the sight of Greenie and Des giving instructions pre-game made me shudder and think "this ain't going to work".

That is incorrect.

Hah, realised you can't find the evidence to back up your 'argument'?

Last reminder.

Poll ends at 22:00.

Question: Which contender would you feel most comfortable with to become the teams next coach?

You can vote here:

https://goo.gl/K8yx7

It's a shame this thread has gone the way it has.

I think the general sentiment if we take the really outlandish suggestions as outliers is that appointing an assistant coach as the gaffer comes across as unambitious.

There has comparisons drawn with similar scenarios and those comparisons have been questioned etc as well.

Having been at a club that appointed an assistant to succeed a former first team coach (contract not renewed) we def copped some criticism that we were not showing enough ambition, but in our scenario the other candidates would have carried more risk.

I have no doubt appointing from within will tick some boxes in this case, and may even be the best appointment for the clubs interest.  However club reps and members of the YF who have been calling for Greenie and Des to get the job will have to face the ongoing questions about image and if the club has been ambitious enough.

Personally I don't think any appointment would make me stop supporting the Nix, but watching the fanbase turn on each other is pretty disappointing.

Also I think what is needed is a tactician as the manager not a motivational type of guy.  If the players can't get themselves at this level motivated to play then they need to move on.  Also I don't believe a lack of effort has been a problem this season, I have seen effort every week, I think trust of teammates has been an issue for some though. 

Being able to articulate to people why they play is a massive part of sport, the highest level not excluded.

Well that's something a bit different, but yes I agree that's important.

Although no point being able to articulate something that tactically is wrong or poor.

less successful, how do you work that one out?

Since Ramon took over at ACFC in 2010 he's finished 1st in the regular season 5 out of 7 times (including the last 3 in a row), won the Grand Final twice and won the Oceania Champions League 6 times (in a row)

If you are getting at last season's Grand Final loss - it was their only loss all season, and a month or so later they destroyed the TW's 3-0 in the Oceania Champions League Final 

True this season they have lost twice (both 1-0) but they have only conceded twice and they are always more vulnerable in the early part of the season when they have one eye on the Club World Cup

Good thing he isn't a lawyer...

Not challenging his past with big imports. But they have not been here for 2 seasons . ( Thier is a back story to TW loss but not part of this)  But look at the resent ACFc style without the imports, is it winning points in the A League

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No big imports for 2 seasons but only lost 3 games in that time (not counting CWC)! if that's what you consider less successful, I'd love that at the Phoenix

although no real point comparing ACFC SS Premiership current style with A-league, as if Ramon gets Phoenix job he would be dealing with Phoenix players in fully professional environment 

A 'natural' way to present the result of the poll.

If only the forum could vote. Ramon would get the job. However, as others have said, he would then have to try and impose his style of coachng on a professional outfit use to Merricks style of coaching. He would probably need a clean out when contracts expire - to build his own team.

Which begs the question, why are we currently resigning players?

Maybe the new coach is resigning them... maybe the new coach is already in the locker room... It's Durante

The silent nod 

Relax guys, there will be an announcement before Christmas......

I think you'll find that they said they hope to make an announcement before xmas.

JUST PLAY WELL

I agree that some of MB rhetoric might have stuck, but not so much the content as the fact that it went unchallenged in the studio, neither this time nor the previous time/times. Same goes for FOX sicking their commentators on the Nix when Gallop accused us of squatting on the licence, before negotiating a renewal on less charitable terms than any other A-League club.

However, I disagree with your first comment.  We may think that we do not have to be better, but that is not what the FOX commentators are saying, and have said for a while. I daresay they get more audience than you and I.  A club that is perennially languishing in the bottom of the ladder can be tolerated if it fulfills some other objective; the likes of CCM or the Jets are providing a focus for the local (Northern NSW) footballing community and local talent development. We would be off the hook if A-League was NOT run by FFA, but it is. While it is run by FFA the overarching interests of Australian football are always likely to prevail, hence constant calls to replace us with a local team. If HAL was an independent body (like say MSL) then they would likely consider an Auckland team for HAL on its own commercial merit with the same dispassionate detachment as they would any new Australian club.

the one thing in our favour at the moment is that we doing more than some clubs to develop young Aussie talent.

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http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/88010...

Distinct air of whimsey about this decision. Need action.

True, which is why Ernie was canny in recruiting guys like Tratt or Parkhouse.  That's them metrics right there. 

While FFA runs the HAL the question "how does Phoenix benefit the league" will be asked, and they do not care that much about the development of NZ players (while they sure liked Rojas or Smeltz).  There are some pundits (like "Sheryl Bright") who objectively see the Nix as a better and more stable club than say the Jets or even the Roar (which went through its own problems with the Bakri Group recently), but that matters little when an inconvenient issue crops up (like the TV rights and what SKY pays to FOX). 

Ultimately we are "an Australian club" but we are "located in New Zealand", as per FIFA/AFC/FFA terms of agreement. This location makes us a poor cousin in terms of love and affection heaped on us by the rellies. Recruitment across the ditch is one good way to keep it up.

This does not necessarily mean that Rudan is necessarily the best choice for a coach for us,but it probably would not hurt if he was appointed, as long as he is half-decent at coaching. 

I am also desperate for our team to show a bit of mongrel spirit on the pitch. The Desipher combo is a bit too nice.