Two out side Wellington (2009 draw p6)
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Today's Dom Post story about the Phoenix:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/local-sport/2341098/Pre-season-setback-for-Phoenix
Two games outside Wellington!!!!!!!!
Can't say I'm too happy myself. I was looking forward to a longer season.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/local-sport/2341098/Pre-season-setback-for-Phoenix
Two games outside Wellington!!!!!!!!
Can't say I'm too happy myself. I was looking forward to a longer season.
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Not Happy with no Pre season games at the stadium. Can see the advantages to have a game at Christchurch. BUt to have none for the home fans seems ludicrous.
All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!
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preseason non event is stink but not a mjor concern for me, what is more of a concern is taking two reg season games out of wellington!! that's just not right!
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Agree. Whats going to happen to season ticket holders? that aint cool.
1 is questionable and 2 is rediculous.
Chch and Auks?
Or more local like Palmy or something?
1 is questionable and 2 is rediculous.
Chch and Auks?
Or more local like Palmy or something?
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There was huge debate on this issue before the start of last season, with vast opposition to the idea of the WELLINGTON Phoenix playing A-League home games outside Wellington.
I was opposed to this idea then and I still am. Just as the A-League has expanded with the expectation and excitment of having more live games to watch, the Wellington fans, who have been loyal to the Phoenix from the start, will be deprived of a longer home season, with two games set to be played outside the capital.
The Phoenix are a Wellington-domiciled football club, not a travelling circus! If this is the way that those running the club want to increase a loyal membership base, perhaps they need to think again. When professional football was on the brink of death in NZ, it was Terry S who came to the rescue, with the strong backing of the Wellington public, a backing that was never, ever forthcoming in Auckland, the previous license holder and our biggest city by a long shot.
I truly suspect that this has little to do with building the profile of football around the country, which is what the sales pitch will probably be, and more to do with trying to attract and benefit financially from one-off bumper crowds in a couple of locations outside Wellington. I bet if the club new that Wellington was going to attract, say, 10,000 to 15,000 at every home game in Wellington, there would be no talk about moving the games away from Wellington. Instead of trying to benefit from one-off bumper crowds here and there, and pissing off loyal Wellington supporters in the process, the club will benefit more in the longer term from implementing strategies to grow a loyal club membership and following in the capital.
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It's a business. Deal with it.
We're in a declining economy, with declining crowds (last season) and the majority of season ticket holders would be unable/unwilling to shell out more cabbage to retain their membership this season.
If the club can get a 10-15k crowd in Christchurch and maybe another 10k in Palmy/New Plym/Rotovegas/Hamiltron/Napier/Mars then do you think they're going to decline that opportunity? No, of course not.
It'll be a much easier sell to keep m/ship prices where they are (or perhaps a little lower) and maintain what members we can in Welly whilst offering additional packages on the extra two games, which they undoubtedly will do.
Makes perfect sense to me - achieves two pretty important goals (crowds up and m/ship prices down-ish).
We're in a declining economy, with declining crowds (last season) and the majority of season ticket holders would be unable/unwilling to shell out more cabbage to retain their membership this season.
If the club can get a 10-15k crowd in Christchurch and maybe another 10k in Palmy/New Plym/Rotovegas/Hamiltron/Napier/Mars then do you think they're going to decline that opportunity? No, of course not.
It'll be a much easier sell to keep m/ship prices where they are (or perhaps a little lower) and maintain what members we can in Welly whilst offering additional packages on the extra two games, which they undoubtedly will do.
Makes perfect sense to me - achieves two pretty important goals (crowds up and m/ship prices down-ish).
E + R + O
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It sounds like there are stadium availability issues. Anyone know what that's about?
For some reason renovations rings a bell.
For some reason renovations rings a bell.
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It sounds like there are stadium availability issues.
You are correct!
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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Great to see this has raised its ugly head again, and great to see people opening their eyes and looking to hold a season game in CHCH at Lancaster Park.
I have been one of the few supporters of this concept on this forum for the past few years and am prepared for the barrage of personal attacks soon to arrive.
AXMFC is probably right, if Wgton attracted 10-15k a game then the idea of going somewhere else wouldn't be so attractive. However the numbers last year wasn't so great, and they have looked around.
I thought that it would have taken shorter than the third post before someone put bold or highlight over the word Wellington in Wellington Phoenix. Fact of the matter is that there are plenty of fans in other parts of NZ, and its a great way to build on this.
It's a longer season this year so you aren't really missing out on anything.
Let the fun begin
I let my guitar speak for me
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Instead of trying to benefit from one-off bumper crowds here and there, and pissing off loyal Wellington supporters in the process, <snip>
This is not being attempted. It is simply to do with stadium availability!
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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And I'll assume they have the sense to schedule the AFR (Away From the Ring) matches on a Saturday so we can make a messy weekend of it!
E + R + O
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Selfishly yeah we like having our home games conveniently at the ROF but from all accounts there's a heck of a lot of the faithful Phoenix followers coming from outside of Wellington.
I think its actually a great opportunity for the Phoenix to broaden the fan base in other parts of the country and, even better still ,
2 x "no excuses, everybody in" roadtrips, without needing a passport. Bloody marvellous!
If its Palmy could also be Yellow Fever buses or trains for those who don't want to drive.Its
a good chance for a lot more of us to take a bit of YF magic out of the ROF and show em how we do it.
Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!
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Hard for the stadium to always be avaliable and up to the football standard that the Phoenix expect because of the rugby that clashes. But that should be obvious. Think it is an option to have a game outside, but two is a bit excessive. Can't say i agree with it myself and most people wouldn't. However it looks like it will happen and looking at the positives is probably the way to go since I don't think they will change their mind on this decison.
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With no pre season cup and what seems like only one pre season game in NZ and not being played in Wgtn add to that 2 games from the regular season being played outside of Wgtn, it is looking like we will only have 11 games in Wgtn to watch the Phoenix. More if we make the playoffs, but only 11 guaranteed home games in Wgtn - less than the previous 2 seasons.
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Crowds weren't huge last year.. If we take one or two outside the area then those might pull big numbers. More games this year, so its not the end of the world that 2 wont be in Wellington.
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FFS:
The decision to play the A-League match (maybe 2) away is due to stadium availability. It is NOT a question of trying to find bigger crowds elsewhere.
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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It's a business. Deal with it.
We're in a declining economy, with declining crowds (last season) and the majority of season ticket holders would be unable/unwilling to shell out more cabbage to retain their membership this season.
If the club can get a 10-15k crowd in Christchurch and maybe another 10k in Palmy/New Plym/Rotovegas/Hamiltron/Napier/Mars then do you think they're going to decline that opportunity? No, of course not.
It'll be a much easier sell to keep m/ship prices where they are (or perhaps a little lower) and maintain what members we can in Welly whilst offering additional packages on the extra two games, which they undoubtedly will do.
Makes perfect sense to me - achieves two pretty important goals (crowds up and m/ship prices down-ish).
We're in a declining economy, with declining crowds (last season) and the majority of season ticket holders would be unable/unwilling to shell out more cabbage to retain their membership this season.
If the club can get a 10-15k crowd in Christchurch and maybe another 10k in Palmy/New Plym/Rotovegas/Hamiltron/Napier/Mars then do you think they're going to decline that opportunity? No, of course not.
It'll be a much easier sell to keep m/ship prices where they are (or perhaps a little lower) and maintain what members we can in Welly whilst offering additional packages on the extra two games, which they undoubtedly will do.
Makes perfect sense to me - achieves two pretty important goals (crowds up and m/ship prices down-ish).
The "Deal with it" remark is unnecessary SurgeQld - everyone's entitled to have a view.
My view is different to yours. I think trying to address the Wellington membership / crowd issue by taking games away from Wellington is a negative response - it's running away from the problem, which in the longer run will come back and bite the club on the backside. In my view, the club would be better off in the longer term working towards building up its support base in Wellington by developing a squad that produces entertaining and winning football.
In regard to stadium availability (raised by others), I find it hard to believe that the RoF will be unavailable on three consecutive days (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) on any weekend during the A-League season.
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One more time:
The decision to play the A-League match (maybe 2) away is due to stadium availability. It is NOT a question of trying to find bigger crowds elsewhere.
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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I recall hearing on the radio a couple of weeks ago that we may have to play a couple of league games outside of Wellington because the RoF pitch was being relayed for the rugby world cup. I guess there are only certain times of the year you can successfully relay the pitch - temperature, sun shine etc and you also need to give the new pitch time to take.
I think, as a "one-off" (I know 2 games) this may not be all bad;
- because of the expanded season (27 games) we will still end up with the same number of home games as last season (11) which will help to keep season ticket prices down
- a couple of big one-off crowds (Christchurch and ?) will help pay for our new strikers
- might encourage a few more fans to travel to the RoF for future games.
As we probably have no choice, because of the pitch issues, may as well make the most of it.
Business as usual next season though - all home games at the RoF - unless the rugby world cup will bugger up next season as well.
Whitby boy2009-04-17 14:52:42He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Are people not reading Dairyflats posts ?
The stadium is unavailable. Rumours say they need to re-turf it and that will take it out for about a month. It's not to find a crowd, it's not because someone else wants to use the stadium. It's out, not an option and Wellington has no other venues.
If the club could play at the stadium they would, they can't so we're going on tour.
Also, I would suggest that the club have yet to comment on ticketing so to make assumptions that these matches will/won't be included in a season ticket price is speculative claptrap.
The stadium is unavailable. Rumours say they need to re-turf it and that will take it out for about a month. It's not to find a crowd, it's not because someone else wants to use the stadium. It's out, not an option and Wellington has no other venues.
If the club could play at the stadium they would, they can't so we're going on tour.
Also, I would suggest that the club have yet to comment on ticketing so to make assumptions that these matches will/won't be included in a season ticket price is speculative claptrap.
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In both of the last two seasons, the fixture list gave us big gaps of around a month between consecutive home games.
e.g. last year it went
28th Sept - Sydney
26th Oct - Queensland
23rd Nov - Newcaste
It would be ironic if they managed to iron out that sort of scheduling, just when they could really have done with a free month to relay the pitch.
e.g. last year it went
28th Sept - Sydney
26th Oct - Queensland
23rd Nov - Newcaste
It would be ironic if they managed to iron out that sort of scheduling, just when they could really have done with a free month to relay the pitch.
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It's a business. Deal with it.
We're in a declining economy, with declining crowds (last season) and the majority of season ticket holders would be unable/unwilling to shell out more cabbage to retain their membership this season.
If the club can get a 10-15k crowd in Christchurch and maybe another 10k in Palmy/New Plym/Rotovegas/Hamiltron/Napier/Mars then do you think they're going to decline that opportunity? No, of course not.
It'll be a much easier sell to keep m/ship prices where they are (or perhaps a little lower) and maintain what members we can in Welly whilst offering additional packages on the extra two games, which they undoubtedly will do.
Makes perfect sense to me - achieves two pretty important goals (crowds up and m/ship prices down-ish).
We're in a declining economy, with declining crowds (last season) and the majority of season ticket holders would be unable/unwilling to shell out more cabbage to retain their membership this season.
If the club can get a 10-15k crowd in Christchurch and maybe another 10k in Palmy/New Plym/Rotovegas/Hamiltron/Napier/Mars then do you think they're going to decline that opportunity? No, of course not.
It'll be a much easier sell to keep m/ship prices where they are (or perhaps a little lower) and maintain what members we can in Welly whilst offering additional packages on the extra two games, which they undoubtedly will do.
Makes perfect sense to me - achieves two pretty important goals (crowds up and m/ship prices down-ish).
The "Deal with it" remark is unnecessary SurgeQld - everyone's entitled to have a view.
My view is different to yours. I think trying to address the Wellington membership / crowd issue by taking games away from Wellington is a negative response - it's running away from the problem, which in the longer run will come back and bite the club on the backside. In my view, the club would be better off in the longer term working towards building up its support base in Wellington by developing a squad that produces entertaining and winning football.
In regard to stadium availability (raised by others), I find it hard to believe that the RoF will be unavailable on three consecutive days (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) on any weekend during the A-League season.
The "deal with it" remark is nothing at all to do with peoples views axmfc, they are as (someone?) once said, much like a-holes, everybody's got one - and are entitled to have, and voice (or type) them.
My point is that it's a reality that is clearly going to happen - like it or not. Personally, I'd love to have every home (and pre-season) match at the ROF, and it pisses me off that we won't have.
Nevertheless, it's happening and I have to deal with it. My choice is to look at the positives (cheaper m/ship, relatively, and perhaps one or two good weekends away somewhere) and hope to goodness that they don't move Judas' return to the Ring with his nancy-boy new mates and the chance to see God (Denilson?) at the Ring as well... would be smarter to move CCM, Adelaide or the Nutgrabberless Jets imho, anyway... I digress (as per)...
Your choice may be different - your welcome to it, as everyone else on the planet is welcome to theirs (or yours, or mine lol).
E + R + O
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3,000 season ticket holders are;
- going to want to pay extra for a game in Christchurch the vast majority won't go to or
- will not expect prices to reflect 2 games not being in Wellington
Yeah right
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Are people not reading Dairyflats posts ?
The stadium is unavailable. Rumours say they need to re-turf it and that will take it out for about a month. It's not to find a crowd, it's not because someone else wants to use the stadium. It's out, not an option and Wellington has no other venues.
If the club could play at the stadium they would, they can't so we're going on tour.
Also, I would suggest that the club have yet to comment on ticketing so to make assumptions that these matches will/won't be included in a season ticket price is speculative claptrap.
The stadium is unavailable. Rumours say they need to re-turf it and that will take it out for about a month. It's not to find a crowd, it's not because someone else wants to use the stadium. It's out, not an option and Wellington has no other venues.
If the club could play at the stadium they would, they can't so we're going on tour.
Also, I would suggest that the club have yet to comment on ticketing so to make assumptions that these matches will/won't be included in a season ticket price is speculative claptrap.
Since when does that stop anybody?
E + R + O
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Are people not reading Dairyflats posts ?
Also, I would suggest that the club have yet to comment on ticketing so to make assumptions that these matches will/won't be included in a season ticket price is speculative claptrap.
Also, I would suggest that the club have yet to comment on ticketing so to make assumptions that these matches will/won't be included in a season ticket price is speculative claptrap.
So what's new ??
Looking forward to a match in Auckland this year then....
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3,000 season ticket holders are;
Therefore we don't have to worry about season passes being raised. I'm more than happy to make a roadtrip, will be fun, and then we (and the team) get to experience something a bit diffrent, as do the locals of wherever we take it. Let's spread the fan-base, great clubs don't get where they are without supporters all over the place.- going to want to pay extra for a game in Christchurch the vast majority won't go to or
- will not expect prices to reflect 2 games not being in Wellington
Yeah right
You know we belong together...
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Hrm...if it's truly to do with stadium availability, then all I can say is...ROAD TRIP!
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Thanks for that Hard News, and also DairyFlats.
If it is genuinely stadium availability because the new turf can't be laid at any other time, then that's life. It sure would have helped if the club had put out a media release explaining the situation - would have saved some angst and also communication with the fans is a simple courtsey.
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Thanks for your earlier reply SurgeQld.
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If the stadium is unavailable then so be it. We should just have to deal with it. I don't have a massive problem with Christchurch holding a game they have proven themselves. being selfish but hope Auckland doesn't get one.
BUt my main concern being a member, is that the prices don't increase on last year seeing as we have the same amount of games.
BUt my main concern being a member, is that the prices don't increase on last year seeing as we have the same amount of games.
All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!
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I gotta say I am relatively intrigued by the idea of going to anothe town to see the nix. Obviously I don't think that too many people will make the trip from Wellington, but I definitely will. It will be refreshing and a good chance for a little trip.
Does anyone know what the chances of these game (s) being played on a saturday? It would make a hell of a difference, and I think more people would be keen to travel if they had a whole day to go back home on Sunday.
VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life
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I vote for one game to be played in Beijing and one in Tokyo...
A bit more seriously, where should these be played? One in CHC and one in a non-Auckland NI city...?
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I vote for one game to be played in Beijing and one in Tokyo...
A bit more seriously, where should these be played? One in CHC and one in a non-Auckland NI city...?
Terry and Tony are pragmatists, I think it will be Auckland
And before there is a hullabaloo about the Beckham game flop, that was unoriginal, and against a team of nobodies, had nothing on it
Auckland has the population base and would support a match that is a regular A league fixture and means something
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I think one in CHCH and one in Auckland. I'm gutted though probably no Phoenix til August in welly plus we still have no new signings.
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I'd like to see Palmy... but yeah - Auckland makes sense, either way I'm there... we'll just have to wait and see 
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I'll be honest, it may be slightly inconvenient to some supporters from Wellington but it isn't that big a deal. I suspect it won't be a part of the membership fee. Personally I love it that Christchurch is going to be having there 3rd and 4th Phoenix games. The fact that we managed to get 4 000 fans (plus) to a game against a Canterbury XI of all teams, and 6 000 against the Roar (possibly my least favourite A-League team) speaks dividends for the city. Considering Melbourne are a top A-league team and we'll be hosting a regular season game that counts for something I suspect the crowds to be about 6 000 for the first game and I'm hoping for about 10 000 for the second one. I know the games aren't being moved because of money but I think the Phoenix could make some money off this which would help.
I've travelled up to Wellington for a number of games over the past few seasons and I know that other fans from outside Wellington have done so as well so I think this could do a lot to extend the Phoenix fanbase nationwide.
I've travelled up to Wellington for a number of games over the past few seasons and I know that other fans from outside Wellington have done so as well so I think this could do a lot to extend the Phoenix fanbase nationwide.
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[QUOTE=SC03]I vote for one game to be played in Beijing and one in Tokyo...
A bit more seriously, where should these be played? One in CHC and one in a non-Auckland NI city...?
Terry and Tony are pragmatists, I think it will be Auckland
And before there is a hullabaloo about the Beckham game flop, that was unoriginal, and against a team of nobodies, had nothing on it
Auckland has the population base and would support a match that is a regular A league fixture and means something
The hotbed of football, Auckland is. The Kingz and the Knights were overwhelmed by the fanatical support they got. The fans just couldn't get enough pro football up there. And the turnstiles had to be replaced at the end of each season because of overuse.
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As long as they don't pass it around the back four and launch it long like they did against the mainland 11 i will be happy (:
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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If one of the games is in CHCH i'm keen. It's always fun to travel back in time (just kidding - maybe!)
If the other ones in Auckland then i'd rather go to an away game in Oz.
Somewhere closer would be cool tho' (Palmy, HB, Naki, Vegas, Tron etc). Imagine several bus loads of the YF faithful arriving en-mass!
If the other ones in Auckland then i'd rather go to an away game in Oz.
Somewhere closer would be cool tho' (Palmy, HB, Naki, Vegas, Tron etc). Imagine several bus loads of the YF faithful arriving en-mass!
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