v Fury Friday 7:30pm RoF

I thik O'Leary wasn't too bad actually.

Be O'Leary's worse game at the Ring of Fire by far.........was waiting for a last minute penalty against us!!!!!.....but a hard won 3 points, ....Lia ????????????????????????????...so dumb

It's funny how this thread is way shorter when we win...

this

but thanks guys was at work so couldn't see game this weekend :(
good of u guys to keep me updated

Not really - it's because most people are still at the game/getting home from the game when we win. If we won an away game then the thread would be long too.

Happy with the win. Not sure how harshly you can judge the performance because of the wind and how sh*te NQ were in the first half but we played well in periods and did deserve it. Hanging on with 10 men showed character, too, though there were obviously 1 or 2 bad defensive moments.

Thought we had several horrible calls go against us - not least the goal from Greenie that was called offside when it was headed to him by a Fury player. I'll take a win anyway we can get it when that sort of stuff happens.

Leo was terrific and stood up in the absence of Ifill. Daniel, not so much. Greenie our best and Vukovic with the save of the season.valeo2010-09-24 22:38:47

that's because there are more problems people think they need to bring to attention when we lose.

so really, it's not funny when you think about it.....

Hat greenacre goal was actually offside. He was in an offside position when the ball was played by a nix player,and benefited from it.

Pretty awesome atmosphere tonight I thought. Really enjoyed it.

Bullsh*t. Was a goal.

Poor crowd for a Friday, to be honest. Usually thats the night we get our biggest crowds and considering the struggling Newcastle Jets got the same amount..

valeo2010-09-24 22:43:26

Not a pretty result but I'll take it.  Couldn't believe nothing happened to Talay - I hope the FFA come down on him hard.  Siggy got a 3 week suspension for the softest jab I've ever seen so if Talay doesn't get at least a few weeks I'll rage.

Loved Greenacre's workrate, continually running.  Kept composure well to score the first, thought Pasfield went down far too quickly for a goalie but I'm not complaining.  And his second which was ruled out should never have been (unless I'm failing with the Laws of the Game).  Great assist for Leo as well.

Lia's first yellow card was ridiculous - shouldn't have been one.  The second, though, was just stupidity and he deserved it.  Had a huge effect on the game.

Siggy was great, running up the wing and all.  Almost amusing.  When de Jong said he got a nose-bleed from running so far forward I rofl'd like you wouldn't believe.

Look again. He was offside when we played it. The fact it then came off a fury player is irrelevant

Haven't yet seen a replay mind you,so may be wrong about him initially being offside when we played it.Tegal2010-09-24 22:44:55

Home game's threads are shorter as many are at the game.

Home game = good result *touch wood*

This. Fred De Jong was quite annoying on this point

I'm pretty sure Daniel's ball doesn't matter if the NQF player then heads it straight to Greenacre.  Greenie can be wherever he wants.  Prepared to be proved wrong, though.

Like if Greenacre was offside and Ward tries to play him a ball that is intercepted it's all good.  And if the player who intercepted it then does a backpass to the keeper without looking and Greenacre gets it then it's sweet right?  The same thing I thought.

Also, was the crowd actually 7 200 or is it a case of over-exagerrating to make it more respectable.  Looked about 5 000 maximum to me.  And if it really was 7 200 then crowds earlier in the season must've been about 12 000.

Also, Durante was a shambles at the back.  How many bounced right over him?  Some of those could've been North - I can't tell them apart well from the normal camera angle.
loyalgunner2010-09-24 22:48:35

It was a good game until Lia was sent off. We were well in control up till then so of course it turned ugly when we had to defend with 10. I thought everyone played well tonight though Timmy was pretty anonymous. Toto showed some good touches. At least he plays the easy pass and keeps posession.

Take the 3 points,  was a bit shaky once Lia got his red.  Siggy played well I thought hope he isnt injured although he must be close to a suspension with his yellow cards by now.

did anyone else notice Pasfield walking off the pitch shaking his head to the bench after Greenies goal ?

only to have the managing staff wave him back to his goal.

No. the NQ player actively played that ball. It was no deflection and effectively a change in possession, so no different to turning around and passing it straight to Greenacre, in which case he would certainly have been judged onside. Marius Lacatus2010-09-24 22:53:31

Thanks Marius, I was fairly sure that was the case.

No. He benefited from being in the offside position when we played the ball. Therefore offside. Most deflections are played at in some way so that doesn't matter. Same as if you took a shot,the keeper saves it and it goes straight to s striker who was standing on the post (behind the keeper).

ok so why not offside for his first goal?? ok, that a stupid question!  but stick by my first point!!Marius Lacatus2010-09-24 22:55:26

Played forward to him from the opposition.  Very much different though I'm not convinced that the second is offside as I'm sure I've seen players passed the ball by opposition defence trying to get it back to their keeper.

yes, that was dumb comment by me re the first goal. but yes, if a defender takes the ball and passes it to a striker in offside position that is play on, so what's the difference when they head it back towards goal?

Because the keeper played the ball when he was in an offside position...not a team mate...

The one that was offside was correct as if he hadn't of been in an offside position when his team mate played the ball,he wouldn't have ended up with it,therefore he benefited and was called offside.

That's a huge call, he could have run onto where the player headed it from an onside position.  I don't really see how you can say he wouldn't have.

this rule is very unclear, and has created confusion in the past. If a defender intercepts a ball and turns around and passes it back to his goalie but a striker happens to be in the way, it is always called play on. So, why is it different when a defender plays at a cross and knocks it into the path of a striker standing between he and the goalie? somebody tell me in a technical/rule sense what the differenc is? Marius Lacatus2010-09-24 23:10:21

It certainly helped a lot. I'll watch it again later and see. From memory he was quite a bit behind the defence. Those should generally be called offside unless he sort of runs back onside then forward onto it. Can potentially be a bit of a grey area I guess.

Nah it's all about benefitting from your position when your teammate plays it. Perhaps you could argue that he wouldve got it if onside anyway,so it creates a grey area,but generally they'll be called offside unless the defender is clearly in control I.e trapping it and passing it back.

Also, I swear that linesman was just trying to be noticed.  Definitely one, possibly two of those offsides were mistakenly called by him, and a number of them he called he was behind play by a fair amount.  And man, Ufuk Talay - needs a solid suspension.

yeah, so it does come down to a subjective judgment as to what constitutes "possession" essentially.

anyway i thought we were ugly tonight but by far the better side and it would have been a travesty if they'd nicked a point.

Fifa Decision 2 re offside

"Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position."

Greenacres first goal would be fine by that ruling, "rebound" not = passed to you by dodgy keeper

we had Pasfields head in a basket, he was running away towards half way for 3-6 mins after the second goal

(shame the chant of "keeper, keeper run away " didn't take off)

we are the Brittania stadium of the South Pacific

great to have a win, YF in fine voice

i don't understand how so many of those 'offsides' can have been given

when they come here last match of the season Pasfield cops it as soon as he wlaks out of the tunnel !!

and Talay is owed a huge serve every time he touches the ball

i reckon Many is on hasi way to challenge for player of the season - he has imporved to be absolute class in this league and can play in a range of positions

Paul Madeley springs to mind

Good win!!

yeah, but that still doesnt clarify the disallowed goal. is an intentional header by a defender a "rebound"?

the ref and lino had crap games - are they frighten of being dropped by HAL if they don't always give the aussies the benefit of any 50/50 or even 40/60 call!!

no it isn't

They say a good referee is one that you dont notice in a game.. O'Leary doesn't know this and seemed to want to grab all the attention. Well he and tthat linesman that kept giving offsides. I was listening to the comentary on my walkman whislt at the game so as to explain things I may have missed and I think O'Leary should never ever be allowed to referee a Nix game ever again. Sure our guys did foul and sure they got carded but it's a two way street and NQF were getting away with everything. Now when Daniel went down in the penalty area after Leos cross, O'leary wasn't even watching that play, from when Leo sent the xross over, O'Leary was watching the 4th officia and had his back to the play.

Yeah,a grey area technically. But think you'll find them called offside pretty near everytime.

I guess because it's hard to tell the difference between throwing your head or leg at something and getting a deflection,and deliberately heading the ball with a degree of control.

Rubbish LG. If players are out there fouling each other all game,then a good referee would call them up on it.

By your logic the best referee would let everything go.

Sorry,but that's just a cliche saying that bugs me