v Fury Friday 7:30pm RoF

While I see your point and there are some comments dripping with idiocy it's not nearly as clear-cut as you make it out to be.  As said, a backpass to a striker is often (perhaps not 100% of the time) allowed to continue and the issue seems to be whether or not NQF were in possession.  I think, as the defender moved into it, head to ball, they regained position.  Wasn't a deflection.  As such, the fact Greenie was in an offside position when Daniel played the ball over doesn't matter.   Same as if we'd lost possession 4 minutes earlier and the defender then passed back without looking and Greenacre pounced. 

I mean, I'm prepared to be wrong but I just don't think it's clear-cut at all.
loyalgunner2010-09-25 21:28:33

Just read the last two pages of this and regret ever getting involved.

One last thing before I'm off, surely a player can be considered to be in possession even if it's only one touch and the touch is a poor one due to the player being terrible?  If not then the rule favours poor players.  So many scenarios in which there'd be no question over deflection yet the ball played was terrible and despite this possession established.

For example, the ball rolls to a standstill between the half and the box.  Defender runs back and aims a pass to his keeper - pass is of Lochhead's lofty standards and goes straight to an opposition striker.  Not offside.

So yeah, not convinced.

The example you mention is far from clear-cut, as these situation are heavily dependant on the context - what was the forward doing before the ball stopped and was played by the defender would be the first thing to consider.

The issue at its heart is to provide a disincentive to forwards to stay in an offside position and potentially profit from deflections, tackles, blocks, etc. Defending, especially in the last third, involves a lot of those, and if the law didn't provide for this, forwards would have a good reason to hang around in an offside position, and that's not a good thing for the game, since it's the offside law that's largely responsible for the game being fluid.

As for this specific incident, I explained in an earlier post why I believe it's very unreasonable to argue that the Fury defender was in possession of the ball, and if people can't accept that, that's fine.

lol impressive number of posts on the offside since i logged off last night

I disagree. If it was possible for a defending player to play an offside attacker onside courtesy of a deliberate pass or accidental touch, it would say so in the rule-book, but it doesn't. Why not? Because they can't. Perhaps it's time FIFA stipulated this categorically to end the confusion.

Anyhow... I think we all agree now that Greenacre was offside.

Although I can understand the need for some clarification on this forum, what I find really frustrating is the OFC Vice-President; Fed de Jong's ignorance (he was convinced that Greenacre was onside). It just perpetuates the misconceptions and the arguments.

Here is another reason why the goal is offside.  Below is a shot from when Daniel puts in the cross.  You can clearly see 2 players offside on the far side. I think the second one is Brown.  Don't think anyone can argue against that.



Now here is a screen shot of the header.  You can see Greenacre slow to get back onside. and the other offside player (Brown) is clearly interfering with play - the ball and header is within a metre or so of him.


Therefore he (Brown) is offside.  Goal shouldn't have counted.

Game. Set. Match.

Perhaps the difference with the first goal is that Greenacre advanced on Pasfield from what was initially an onside position?

Jeez... where's a freakin' referee when you need one?!

Screen Cap of the elbow please Fale.

How was Greenacre in an offside position for the first goal, he was behind the ball ?

mate - we all agree he was in an offside position, but we do not all agree it was ofside

2ndBest's photos clearly say the call was correct.

ahhhh i think i best just quietly slink off to bed

But we won...and played well...

Don't have one.  Pulled those of you tube highlights video.

Watched the replay of the offside on tv. My opinion hasn't changed,offside.

We scored a minute later anyway..

Off topic but what ever happened to Stebre Delovski? Excellent ref, mysteriously vanished.

Had enough of the bullsh*t that is A league officiating and MRP? or perhaps the contracts actually stipulate the ref has to be sh*te to be allowed to ref an a league game...

Yep, it's so when an opposition player heads the ball down in his general direction he can score, thus being onside.
Good ploy.
O'Leary apoligised to Ricki at halftime. The lino also apologised

Source - looks much different on video.Michael2010-09-26 11:20:18

I aplogise to my wife all the time, it doesn't mean I always mean it.

If we can generate this much discussion about an off-side or not off-side as the case may be, I just hope no one here is a Sunderland supporter.

Edit: quote failTegal2010-09-26 19:12:03

This, btw, is an excellent word. Possibly my new favourite word that isn't a real word but should be

ffs

IBTL.

shut it down boys...

Admitting your wrong?

You're

Whoooooooo has a bad case of IBTL syndrome

Yeah my bad.

I never said that, it's obvious we are all disagreeing with each other and this thread is going nowhere.

He just has a bad case of being a pain in the ....

Aisle 22.

And listening to the crowd on the replay, one particular Oh Wellington chant was out of sync by 3 distinct groups in the crowd, just proves the point.

When the crowd is on, it sounds great in the stadium, and on TV. But when people are getting their timing all wrong, it sounds like muppetry

There it goes again!

Seriously Whooooooooooo, you IBTL far too often.  Like a kid who's learned a new cuss word.

I see your point.






































































IBTL

forgive my ignorance but what the hell is IBTL?

"In Before The Lock": An abbreviation posted to a thread on a web-based forum when the poster knows that any rational debate has long since been abandoned, and will shortly be locked by the forum administrator.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IBTL

In before the lock.