v Fury Friday 7:30pm RoF

I fell asleep before this one started and woke up in the 82nd minute.

Curses.

In English? Sounds like Cantona on acid

Yeah was happy with our performance,and we played better in the conditions than the fury did.

Don't understand the angst,but am not surprised.

Remember, last week our season was over.

Now it's just hanging by a thread? Least we kept our hopes alive for another week,but if we keep playing like that we will never catch Chelsea for the premiership..oh wait..I mean..were just sh*t ok!

I was listening to the radio and couldn't tell whether it was ward or lia who was sent off, very glad it was lia, we can do without him. another home win, nice work by the lads.

Were you watching it on TV, or from the away supporters end?

Watching from the Fever Zone, down the other end of the field, it's impossible to see anything "clearly offside".

And yes, the late flags are very frustrating, especially seeing Fury players running at the keeper, then a flag goes up late, when Greenacre was instantly flag every time he got a ball passed to him.

As for the ref, any ref who isn't consistent on bookings with yellow cards will cop a lot of abuse, and that's the way life is.

dairyflat2010-09-25 13:13:53

Replay on in 15 minutes.  Should be good lolz.

awesome game last night, I knew we'd win against the Fury.
(:
Then again they did loose 5 of their best players.. but we still won fair and square, and it shows that we can easily win a game without Ifill.
But the dicks at the front who were chanting "f**k off fury" were just stupid, thats what Sydney and Melbourne do because they aren't witty or clever enough to come up with a real chant.
I say we loose the "f**k off" such and such chants.

Watch reply of Greenacre's second, definitely should be a goal. The pass in from Daniel was going far side of the goal, Greenacre was in the middle walking back away from goal.

He never would have had the ball if the Fury player doesn't make a deliberate effort to pass the ball back to the keeper.

And the elbow on Greenacre, that sh*t needs to be cut out. There was no need for Talay to raise his elbow, even if he thought he was going to bump into Greenacre

Yeah, not the best.

Besides that, there were a lot of mixed up chants because people were chanting different chants over the top of each other.

eg Oh Wellington, when the music was playing before kick-off

Doesn't help having Aisle 21 groups starting chants that people can't hear, and people up the back starting up a different chant.

whooooooo's award for post of the day.

dairyflat2010-09-25 14:08:12

People can start up chants as long as everyone else can hear them and pick up the same chant.

Unlike last night's effort where people were chanting two different things at once, sounds retarded, and lessens the effectArd Righ2010-09-25 14:08:50

"A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
� interfering with play or
� interfering with an opponent or
� gaining an advantage by being in that position"

Clearly he has gained an advantage from being offside when the cross comes in.  Because if he was level with the defender then he probably wouldn't have got the ball.

And YF still can't sing "Stand up for the Phoenix" properly...why the 'UP' is emphasised quite so much, I don't know.

jog on with your technicalities.

fact is, it should have been advantage to the attacking team. END OF. GOAL.

tbh, I don't know why we are going on about his. We won, it didn't matter. Leave it.

Take a look at the slow mo of where Greenacre is standing, when the Fury defender heads the ball back to the Keeper.

Greenacre is standing a half step inside the box. The last Fury defender is on the line, further out wide where the Phoenix player was, and where the ball was heading, and the goal keeper is back inside the 6 yard box.

The Fury player who heads the ball back to the keeper is a good few yards out front of the box, at the top of the half-circle.

Greenacre didn't gain any advantage from being offside. He would have gotten to the ball even if he was a half step in line with the Fury defender.

Greenacre is clearly not half way to the keeper when the ball is played directly into his path by the Fury player.

Quoting lines from the rule book doesn't change the situation where Greenacre gets the ball in a foot race

Should also point out, it's not Greenacre's fault there was no Fury central defender around him at the timeArd Righ2010-09-25 14:24:41

yea we can all agree to disagree. IBTL.

Ridiculous comment.  Technicalities like he laws of the game?

Show me where in the rules it saws the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking team.  In fact I'll save you some time an tell you that it never says that.

Just because you put something in capital letters doesn't make it a fact.

He still gets an advantage of half a yard.  Therefore offside.

You could apply that logic to all offsides and say that X player would have got the ball even if he was onside.
2ndBest2010-09-25 14:35:43

Cleary he was also interfering with play - HE SCORED A GOAL FFS. Offside.

So much facepalming in this thread.

The half yard is utterly irrelevant.

The key factor in Greenacre getting to the ball is a) the ball played direct to him b) no Fury defenders anywhere near where the ball was played to him.

You can butter up your quotes of the rulebook however you want, it doesn't change the situation Greenacre's sole advantage was granted to him by the Fury player playing him the ball.

FFS. Can't believe that there's this many people on a football site who can't grasp a simple offside rule.

From an officiating point of view, Greenacre has gained advantage from being in an offside position. He is offside when Daniel plays the ball, and the touch from Talay is irrelevant because it had failed to establish effective possession for the defending team. From an officiating point of view, during an attacking move any touch (attempting to block a shot, or sliding to intercept a pass, or attempting to clear the ball in this case) by the defending team that does not result in effective possession of the defending team is seen as a deflection/rebound in terms of applying the offside law.

It is clear that Talay's touch did not establish possession for Fury (he had so little control over it that the ball went nowhere near where he'd intended it!), therefore Greenacre was rightly flagged for offside. Simple, clearly obvious from the YF zone watching it live, and so uncontroversial that I'm tempted to ban anyone who raises this issue again.el grapadura2010-09-25 15:51:25

This. So, so, so this.

Half yard is completely relevant.  In fact it is the most important part of an offside.If he wasn't offside then he may have scored.  But the fact is he was past the last man.

So you are admitting that he gained an advantage?  If so, then he is offside.

If anything, this has been the most insightful, relevant, and intelligent post in this thread for the last few pages. Kudos to you good sir

Ok, so in this case, a deliberate header (whether good or awful in this case) by the defending team back to the keeper is considered a rebound?

This wasn't a deflection, the defender turns his head back towards the keeper, seen in the slow-mo replay.

Not what I would call it, but I will leave it there.

BTW, it wasn't Talay who headed the ball back, he was nowhere near the playArd Righ2010-09-25 15:33:06

Definitely wasn't deliberate. He jumps up to header it away from goal, wind changes the path of it, and he tries to adjust.  Balls goes towards goal even though initially he was clearly wanting it to go away from goal.

This was not a pass to the keeper, it was a mistimed header - he was looking to play the ball away from the box, but the wind took it away from him and he couldn't get the connection he was looking for.

Like I said, deliberate or not has nothing to do with it (99.9% players play the ball deliberately on the football field!!!), the critical thing is possession. At no point during the move - from Daniel's pass to Greenacre's receiving of the ball - does the ball change possession from an officiating point of view, consequently offside offence has to be flagged by the AR.el grapadura2010-09-25 15:32:43