v Fury Friday 7:30pm RoF

No, you are right, he was offside when the ball was first played to him but the Fury player got his head to it on the way.

yeh - sorry, wasn't sure what happened with that - had a guy move in front of me a second or two before the disallowed goal

so just comes down to the ref whether he judges it a rebound. can't say as didn't see it, but if it was not a controlled header you'd think offside would be called

yeh, i know, what's "controlled"? lol refs callmjp22010-09-25 00:00:01

where are Jag, Ginge and that erstwhile poster and whistle blower "something Drake" when we need them??

yeh - just saw the replay

pretty ok game, that talay elbow on greenacre was well dirty, should be banned for that.

Involved in active play, according to your link is:
1. playing a ball that rebounds off a post or the crossbar after having been in an offside position.
2. playing a ball that rebounds off an opponent after having been in an offside position.

Only point 2 is relevant and the important word is 'rebounds'.  'Rebounds', in my book, is synonymous with deflection.  This wasn't a mere deflection.  The North Queensland defender played at the ball - head to ball if you will.  As such the goal stands.

The example the use to illustrate this point is a striker shooting straight at the goalkeeper and the ball bouncing out to another player who had been standing ahead of the ball and the 2nd to last man when the shot was taken.  This is offside - it was a rebound.  The North Queensland defender didn't have the ball hit him, 'rebound' didn't come into it.  He actively played at the ball.  You may say the goalie in the illustration also played at the ball but it is very different a shot coming back off a goalie, and a defender winning a ball in the air, thus bringing it into his and his teams possession, and offloading straight back to the opposition team as he tries to pass it.
loyalgunner2010-09-25 01:18:44

The most annoying thing that c**t of a ref did was get in the way of I think leo when he was going into the box, bloody twat.

The angst and conduct of the posters on this forum set a new standard. Wonder these angry posters eve stand in front of a mirror and see what of animals they see. 

The header was a direct result of the ball played by the Phoenix,thats the difference between this and s defender passing it to him. Greenacre benefited from being in an offside position. It'd be like if a keeper made a save and parried it to an offside striker.

You can make a grey area by saying he wouldve got to it anyway,and therefore didn't necessarily benefit from being in an offside position,but most referees would use their common sense and just call him offside.

I tend to view this in a fashion similar to if a striker shot at a keeper who caught the ball then rolled it to another opposition striker by accident (Barthez, anyone?).  I mean, a defender can play a high ball across the backline (though would be more likely to happen with no strikers present) and the defender on the receiving end could head it to a striker in an offside position and I'd consider it the same as this - the fact Daniel put the ball in not counting for anything.  Regardless, it's a grey area and they say advantage to the attacking side. loyalgunner2010-09-25 02:20:27

Gr8 commentary of the first goal...

http://www.youtube.com/user/nostroKeeper#p/u/8/0NqCzqdMuyY
Phoenix goals.

I THOUGHT the ref was a dickhead...

...BUT, taking off the 2 Lia tackles that I remember - was there anything that bad?

Steve-O2010-09-25 10:50:31

Edit - Note to self: do not post on forums/Facebook etc after 8 hours drinking...
Steve-O2010-09-25 10:49:53

wolfman2010-09-25 04:58:34

Glad to hold on for the win, new record for the nix, 3 points in the bag beautiful COYN

Peter O'leary = no idea

IMO he was giving them the benefit of the doubt every time.. Also he wasnt give us free kicks even though he had given them a free kick for an identical challenge a play before.. Muscat was getting pumbled down that left wing in the second half and O'Leary didnt even consider them Free Kicks and that challenge on Siggy down the right wing was bloody stupid and deserved a yellow card. Just my opinion but I thought he was pretty bias towards the Fury.

I thought we played really well in the 1st half, no long balls, we dominated the midfield and were winning all the 5050 balls. Ward leo and daniel were passing around nicely and we were giving nothing to the furries on d. It all went to custard in the 2nd when lia bad a brain explosion but some really good signs considering ifill will come back in for daniel, or maybe in browns spot while he moves back to holdng mid. Bring on cold ghost!

Nope, he wasn't bad. Most embarrassing part of the night - cheering Lia off for a stupid tackle that in one move gave up a red card, yellow card and a goal
and booing the ref off who got it right. When does a ref get congratulated for a good decision?
New heights of patriotism.

and the blokes around us who yelled abuse to the assistants about every offside in the second half, despite every one being clearly off. The only problem here was the lino in question flagged nearly 30 seconds after a couple. He was off the pace.

Always cheering on the boys, but booing the officals off left a bad taste. Why do they bother?

Of course he must have been biased.....and that's why we're Nix supporters.

Imo the referee was very poor at any level of the game, although I guess to be fair the standard of refereeing in the A league isnt exacty earth shattering

Same as the playing level. For some reason fans want refs to be more than A-League quality. It isn't crash hot, but refs = playing standard IMO. All fair

I don't get this absolute blasting of the referee/linesman. Almost every offside was certainly offside (the only dubious one was the very difficult one where the last defender stepped up late). You can't blame him for not acting on the Talay elbow on Greenacre, because he almost certainly didn't see it. Lia shouldn't have flown in studs up when already on a yellow...

edit: cheers footpaul, forgot Talays dive that was missed - ref did get that one wrong.aitkenmike2010-09-25 11:00:01

This

Someone gets it

Although watching Greenie's disallowed goal - it was a goal. His tactic tho of sitting deliberately offside at free kicks etc plays against him at times like these
Royal2010-09-25 10:14:04

Can't really blame the refs, I agree. A couple of the offsides were marginal, I thought, but apart from Greeny's goal which was wrongly disallowed, Talay's elbow and Talay's dive outside the box, the ref had a decent game. I thought Talay was lucky not to get any cards for his antics actually.

I was really pleased with the team's first half, and the second was not that bad either considering much of it was with 10 mean. A few players really stepped up their performances, Siggy and Bertos come to mind, which is probably the effect of the fear of being benched.

Good game, now let's keep it up!


Actually, edit time! Do I remember a pretty cynical push in the back on one of our players in the box when a cross came in?
Footpaul2010-09-25 10:43:37

but as fans we are allowed o ask for better....to say player quality = ref quality is stupid, especially when the quality of the refs can influence a game so heavily.....if a particular ref allows niggly little elbows to go unpenalised then the players will always try something a little worse which forces the ref to go for his cards early.

ref standard influences greatly standard of footy played - end of, and as paying fans we deserve better - ref standard should be > player standard.

Yeah i watched from home and thought the refs were great. Agree that one lino was a little late to raise his flag, but all but one offside was right (and it was so close). Was also very pleased to see him dish out two yellow cards when siggy(?) and someone from their team wouldnt stop hassling the ref after Lias (correct) dismissal.

Siggy looked much better last night, although you can tell he felt out of position when going far forward sometimes.

Pretty decent performance, although we still didnt look that penetrating. And I wish leo would trust himself to make that first time ball rather than fart around with it

Good point. I think it's just part of the territory of being a ref though I guess.

Ok...can now post when sober...

wow so much stupidity in this forum regarding Greenie offside.  He is clearly offside when the ball is first crossed in. Regardless of what happened after that, he is still offside and active in the play.

Yep, it pains me to say it, but Greenacre was definitely offside. Had the ball actually reached it's intended destination, he would not have been given offside, but as soon as the ball got to him, he clearly had to be flagged.

When Greenacre stands" in an Offside position " before every attacking freekick no wonder there are so many offside calls........can anyone explain why he does it...???????.

Yer but then he runs back onside.  It used to try ensure that his run is not picked up by a defender.

Obviously good to get the win, but how many genuine chances & shots on goal did we create - bugger all I think which is a real worry.

Most refs get that treatment everyweek, be it at the... Ring of Fire or Old Trafford,and to a lesser degree at Wakefield Park, Hutt Park, Harcourt Park,Weka Road, Miramar Park..etc etc.etc....sometime I do wonder why they do it !