Wellington Phoenix Men

Vs CCM Sat 18th 7:30pm

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CCM are a very good side but, on our day, I think we can get a result, even away. Durante will be a huge loss but with Manny back, Sanchez moved back to the middle of the park and some Ifill magic anything can happen.
 
I think our best chance is to take the game to them (as we did with the Roar in the second half) and not let them settle in to their rhythm.
 
With that in mind I really hope it's Give it a Go Ricki, and not Bus Driver Ricki, coaching on Saturday.
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Oska wrote:
Wouldn't mind this, would be throwing LINDSAY in the deep end a bit though up against Rose.

        Pasty

     Siggy   Muscat
LINDSAY           Lochhead

       Lia   Smith
Bertos Sanchez   Ifill

        Greenacre
 
Cameron Lindsay's involvement would seem doubtful considering he'll be involved with NZ U-23s v Saudi Arabia friendly in Melbourne on Monday. Imagine he'll be in camp preparing for that one on the weekend.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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Haven't felt this pessimistic about a game for a couple of months now, it's going to be extremely difficult to get a result in Gosford without Durante.
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ShowUsYaNix wrote:
Haven't felt this pessimistic about a game for a couple of months now, it's going to be extremely difficult to get a result in Gosford without Durante.


i think we can do it, and this could be agood thing. think durante needs a rest, hasnt been his usual self recently

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

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mabye we can make it 3 in a row away from home?

I LOVE LAMP

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Meanwhile, Gold Coast are giving the armband to Mitch Cooper, who will be on debut, and at 17 years and 152 days old he will be the A-League's youngest ever captain.
 
bwtcf2012-02-16 08:35:58

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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chefmivec wrote:
mabye we can make it 3 in a row away from home?


already ticked that box - Gold Coast, Newcastle and Adelaide.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/6426179/Give-us-a-fair-crack-Herbert-tells-refs-boss

"Brent Griffiths will probably replace Durante in the middle of defence, while Nick Ward, Manny Muscat and Vince Lia were in the mix to play in midfield, Herbert said. Daniel will travel with the team today. "

How does Ricki value Nick Ward more than Daniel.  Not happy.

George Costanza2012-02-16 08:44:28
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I read that too, and decided I wouldn't post regarding it because it would only result in an expletive laden tirade... bwtcf2012-02-16 08:47:42

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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George Kostanza wrote:
chefmivec wrote:
mabye we can make it 3 in a row away from home?


already ticked that box - Gold Coast, Newcastle and Adelaide.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/6426179/Give-us-a-fair-crack-Herbert-tells-refs-boss

"Brent Griffiths will probably replace Durante in the middle of defence, while Nick Ward, Manny Muscat and Vince Lia were in the mix to play in midfield, Herbert said. Daniel will travel with the team today. "

How does Ricki value Nick Ward more than Daniel.  Not happy.

 
Ricky doers make some pecuilar choices arouind player choices ,tactics  ....sits and awaits the tirade thats likely to come

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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asmodeus_82 wrote:
Would anyone feel safer with a back 3 and a more powerful midfield?
        Paston

   Manny Siggy   Lochy

     Lia     Smith
Leo                   Daniel
    Greenie    Sanchez
   
          Ifill
Its more natural but I guess we'll get Lia at CB.
Manny and Lochy will have to push higher into midfield if we are going to control it, while simultaneously not getting exposed in the corners.[/QUOTE]
Always thought that switching to 3 at the back against CCM could be ok, as a purely reactive formation to CCM's normal 41212 (narrow 442 diamond). A few teams have done so against CCM this season:
[quote]Van Egmond adopted the 3-4-3 shape he had used against Brisbane earlier in the season, perhaps inspired by the success found by Melbourne Heart and Gold Coast with back threes at Bluetongue earlier this campaign.

It would work something like this (note I did this early last season and can't be bothered changing player names):
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to be honest im not sure a back 3 would be very effective for us without our best CB to anchor it. Love siggy but he's not the organisational presence you need in the middle of a defence like that

it has to be very dynamic. When the AWs were doing it so well we had nelsen directing everyone around beautifully. When one wingback went forward or infield the other wingback and the back 3 would often slot very quickly into a back 4 shape to deal with anything if we lost possession. Can't see siggy/griffiths etc being able to manage quick transitions as accurately as nelsen/reid etc

paulm2012-02-16 11:47:22
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paullt wrote:
George Kostanza wrote:
chefmivec wrote:
mabye we can make it 3 in a row away from home?


already ticked that box - Gold Coast, Newcastle and Adelaide.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/6426179/Give-us-a-fair-crack-Herbert-tells-refs-boss

"Brent Griffiths will probably replace Durante in the middle of defence, while Nick Ward, Manny Muscat and Vince Lia were in the mix to play in midfield, Herbert said. Daniel will travel with the team today. "

How does Ricki value Nick Ward more than Daniel.  Not happy.

 
Ricky doers make some pecuilar choices arouind player choices ,tactics  ....sits and awaits the tirade thats likely to come
 
Defensive approach..start with 1 point in the bag and try not to lose it....but dont attack all out for the other 2.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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George Kostanza wrote:
chefmivec wrote:
mabye we can make it 3 in a row away from home?


already ticked that box - Gold Coast, Newcastle and Adelaide.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/6426179/Give-us-a-fair-crack-Herbert-tells-refs-boss

"Brent Griffiths will probably replace Durante in the middle of defence, while Nick Ward, Manny Muscat and Vince Lia were in the mix to play in midfield, Herbert said. Daniel will travel with the team today. "

How does Ricki value Nick Ward more than Daniel.  Not happy.

 
Must say, I am a bit bemused by the whole Daniel thing. A month ago he was playing some of the best football we have seen from him. He got 3 assists in on one game and was first equal on the A-League assists table. Now he seems to have become a marginalised bit player( and he flew to Singapore to look at another club)
 
So whats up?...did Daniel roger Rickies cat?...or something!!!!!
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It's a good idea and very good for the owners to allow/pay for the nix to stay for thier next game v Sydney.  If they come back with some points that would be even better.

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/SigmUnd-changes-ways/45404

After seeing plenty of yellow cards last season, Wellington Phoenix defender Ben SigmUnd has turned things around during this Hyundai A-League campaign.

The 31-year-old has collected just three cautions since an early-season blip when he was sent off in the 2-1 loss to Melbourne Victory in week four, and joked he had become the team's role model.

Defensive partner Manny Muscat sat out last weekend's loss to the Brisbane Roar after accumulating his fifth booking of the season and skipper Andrew Durante and midfielder Tim Brown will miss this Saturday's crucial clash with league leaders Central Coast Mariners after also amassing five yellow cards each.

Keeping his discipline has been an area SigmUnd has worked hard at.

"Last year I got up to about seven or eight cards. You are disappointed in yourself but you're also disappointed when you let the team down," the New Zealand international said.

"When you miss games you are absolutely gutted so it's something that I've worked really hard on."

SigmUnd is one of the leading candidates to take over the captain's armband from Durante at Bluetongue Stadium after his central defensive partner was given a yellow card for dissent towards an assistant referee last weekend.

"I'll have to keep my mouth shut," SigmUnd quipped.

"For some reason I seem to be the role model at the moment. I've only got three yellow cards and he's got five."

At this stage in the season losing key players to suspension can be costly - as the Phoenix found out last weekend.

That 2-0 loss to Brisbane saw them slip to third spot on the A-League ladder and another loss on Saturday will see the pressure increase to remain in the top four.

"From a leadership point of view it's always important to have him on the pitch," coach Ricki Herbert said of Durante. "But he's not and people need to step up now."

"Andrew's form this year has also been outstanding so his performance as well as leadership is certainly going to be missing."

SigmUnd, however, is confident the Phoenix can bounce back from last Sunday's disappointment.

"(The Mariners) home record is not that good and I think we've got to take advantage of that. I'm fully confident we can get something from the game," he said.

"It's always tough to travel over there but we've got a good record (away from home) at the moment. We're three from three."

As they did last month when they recorded back-to-back wins over Gold Coast United and Newcastle Jets, Wellington will remain in Australia after Saturday's fixture to prepare for the following week's game against Sydney.


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Australian sleepovers has been suggested nearly every season before.....good to see it finally being tried.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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OMG did anyone else see that story Megan Mutrie did on CGW.  Terrible television.  Surely there has to be a better wellington based reporter than her.  Oh well I guess it's better than no nix stories.



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Oceanic6 wrote:
OMG did anyone else see that story Megan Mutrie did on CGW.� Terrible television.� Surely there has to be a better wellington based reporter than her.� Oh well I guess it's better than no nix stories.

Better than the last one, this one was at least some what football related. Agree though, no good.

Fuck this stupid game

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asmodeus_82 wrote:
Would anyone feel safer with a back 3 and a more powerful midfield?
        Paston

   Manny Siggy   Lochy

     Lia     Smith
Leo                   Daniel
    Greenie    Sanchez
   
          Ifill
Its more natural but I guess we'll get Lia at CB.
Manny and Lochy will have to push higher into midfield if we are going to control it, while simultaneously not getting exposed in the corners.
 
Not asking much of them are you?
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Boro4eva wrote:
Australian sleepovers has been suggested nearly every season before.....good to see it finally being tried.
 
Only works where we play two away on the trot. Has been done in previous years where we have had Perth away followed by another away match or played the two Melbourne sides back to back.
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This game is giving me the sh*ts!

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/Sutton-in-line-to-debut/45432

Sutton in line to debut

Powerful Central Coast recruit John Sutton will almost certainly make his Hyundai A-League debut as the Mariners battle to avoid a hat-trick of defeats when Wellington Phoenix visit Gosford on Saturday night.

Sutton arrived on the coast on loan from Scottish Premier League club Hearts last week but his final clearance did not come through in time for him to play in the club�s 2-1 defeat against Melbourne Victory.

All the necessary paperwork has now been completed meaning the big striker can be unleashed on the Phoenix defence at Bluetongue Stadium.

Sutton has looked sharp at training since his arrival from Scotland and is desperate to start in what is shaping as a crucial contest for both clubs.

Mariners assistant coach Phil Moss said a final decision on Sutton�s role in Saturday night�s game would be left until the last minute.

"We still haven't finalised the starting side but he will be in the squad for Saturday night," Moss said.

"He has trained well and is keen to play."

After back-to-back defeats against Brisbane and Victory, the Mariners need to return to winning ways against Wellington.

They are still five points clear on top of the A-League ladder, but another loss would give the chasing pack huge confidence heading into the final weeks of the season.

While disappointed with the loss against Victory last week Moss and head coach Graham Arnold were happy with most aspects of the performance.

Both are after a more clinical performance in front of goal and Sutton's inclusion is sure to boost the team in the attacking third.

Meanwhile, Moss also confirmed that in-form defender Pedj Bojic was a good chance to return from injury.

Striker Troy Hearfield is also a chance to be included in the squad after missing last week's defeat.



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http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/Preview-Central-Coast-Mariners-v-Wellington-Phoenix/45415

Date: Saturday, February 18
Kick-off: 5.30pm AEDT
Venue: Bluetongue Stadium

Head-to-head
Played 13: Wins: Central Coast 6, Wellington 5, Draws: 2

Previous encounter
Wellington 1, Central Coast 2, November 4, 2011

History:
In one of the vagaries of the A-League draw, these sides haven�t met since way back in early November, in what was just the fifth week of the season.

On that occasion both sides were at the wrong end of the table and it was the Mariners who got their season going with a hard-fought 2-1 win in Wellington.

Bernie Ibini and Matt Simon got the goals for the visitors either side of a Chris Greenacre strike. The win has the Central Coast side just ahead in the head-to-head meetings between the clubs, with six victories to Wellington�s five.

Form:
Past five matches:
Central Coast: DWWLL
Wellington: WWWWL

Are the runaway league leaders in a form slump?

Seemingly cruising towards the Premiers Plate a couple of weeks ago, Graham Arnold�s side have come back to the field a little with back-to-back losses.

They are still five points clear from second-placed Brisbane � and with a game in hand � and should go into the finals in top spot but some small cracks are starting to appear after their club record 15-game unbeaten run.

Wellington�s four-game winning streak hit the skids last weekend with a disappointing 2-0 home loss to the resurgent Roar. The Phoenix are still in third place but with a number of sides lining up behind trying to secure a place in the top six, Ricki Herbert will want to make sure it was just an aberration. The good news is the club�s away form has been brilliant in recent weeks with the Phoenix posting three wins on the trot on their travels.

Match Committee:
The Mariners will be without young defender Trent Sainsbury who was sent off in the loss to Melbourne Victory last weekend. With Pedj Bojic struggling with a knee injury Graham Arnold could need to find someone else to slot in at right back.

Troy Hearfield (hamstring) missed last week�s match and with John Sutton to make his debut is unlikely to get a spot back in the squad regardless of whether he recovers or not.

The Phoenix have been hit hard by suspension with skipper Andrew Durante and midfielder Tim Brown both sidelined after picking up their fifth yellow cards of the season. Manny Muscat returns from a suspension of his own while Nick Ward is also in contention for a return after a hamstring strain.

Danger men:
John Sutton � The Englishman is set to make his A-League debut since signing for the Mariners from Scottish club, Hearts at the start of the month.

Brought in to replace Matt Simon, Sutton is big, powerful and strong in the air and could be just the player the Central Coast need heading into the finals. He had a respectable scoring record in the SPL and lower leagues in England and if the Phoenix allow him any chances he�s likely to make them pay.

Chris Greenacre � Greenacre hasn�t got much of the plaudits for Wellington�s recent resurgence but the experienced striker is a vital cog in the Phoenix armoury.

While most of the focus has been on the likes of Paul Ifill, Dani Sanchez and Tim Brown, the Englishman has quietly gone about his business up top for the Kiwis. It�s not just his four goals which have proved invaluable for the Phoenix but Greenacre works extremely hard without the ball which allows the other players around him to shine.

At the end of the day� A couple of weeks ago the question wasn�t if the Mariners would win the Premiers Plate but by how much. But things change quickly in the A-League and Central Coast have opened the door with back-to-back losses.

The fact their mini-slump has come around the same time that speculation over the future coach Graham Arnold and a possible move to Sydney may just be a coincidence but if it is affecting the playing group then the Phoenix are a great chance here.

Herbert�s side should fancy their chances given they are virtually at full strength and have seemed to have solved their travel sickness. It looms as a much more vital game for the Phoenix who are in danger of falling back to the pack if they slump to another loss.

This fixture has only seen two games out of 13 where both teams have scored in the same match which means the first goal could be crucial in this one.

Arguments can be madefor why both sides will win this one but hard to split. Home ground advantage may just get the Mariners over line but only by the odd goal.

Teams:

Central Coast Mariners Squad: 2. Daniel MCBREEN, 3. Joshua ROSE, 4. Pedj BOJIC, 5. Brad PORTER, 6. Patrick ZWAANSWIJK, 7. John HUTCHINSON, 8. Rostyn GRIFFITHS, 9. Bernie IBINI, 10. Adriano PELLEGRINO, 12. Troy HEARFIELD, 13. Stuart MUSIALIK, 14. Michael MCGLINCHEY, 15. Brad MCDONALD, 17. Tomas ROGIC, 18. Alex WILKINSON (C), 19. John SUTTON, 20. Justin PASFIELD (Gk), 23. Adam KWASNIK, 24. Mitchell DUKE, 31. Brody CRANE (Gk) *five to be omitted*

In: 4. Pedj BOJIC (returns from injury), 5. Brad PORTER (promoted), 12. Troy HEARFIELD (returns from injury), 13. Stuart MUSIALIK (promoted), 15. Brad MCDONALD (promoted), 24. Mitchell DUKE (promoted), 19. John SUTTON
Out: 16. Trent SAINSBURY, 22. Sam GALLAGHER (both suspended)
Unavailable: 1. Mathew RYAN, 11. Oliver BOZANIC, 22. Mustafa AMINI (all Qantas Australian U23 duty)

Wellington Phoenix squad: 1. Mark Paston (GK), 3. Tony Lochhead, 4. Brent Griffiths, 7. Leo Bertos, 8. Paul Ifill, 9. Chris Greenacre, 11. Daniel, 12. Nicky Ward, 14. Mirjan Pavlovic, 17. Vince Lia, 18. Ben SigmUnd, 19. Jimmy Downey, 20, Tony Warner (GK), 21. Dani Sanchez, 24. Alex Smith

In: Brent Griffiths (promoted), Mirjan Pavlovic (promoted), Manny Muscat (returns from suspension), Nicky Ward (returns from injury)
Out: Tim Brown, Andrew Durante (both suspended � 1 match)
Unavailable: Cameron Lindsay (international duty), Lucas Pantelis (knee injury � indefinite)



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I see we have Stebre Delovski (sp) reffing this week. Good stuff!! probably the best ref in A League
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Bullion wrote:

It would work something like this (note I did this early last season and can't be bothered changing player names):


What did you use to generate that pic?

If they don't start Griffiths, I would rather Manny at CB over anyone else.

Would like to see Daniel start this game too, and Sanchez needs to be playing in the middle, this time with no Tim Brown to get in his way!
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b..Being new to Wellington.. which pub does everyone go to to watch the away games?? Four kings??Scottishbhoy2012-02-17 12:32:37

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Yep, downstairs.
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Ard Righ wrote:
Bullion wrote:

It would work something like this (note I did this early last season and can't be bothered changing player names


What did you use to generate that pic?

I think I used the Stick Football figures, or some other online game, and just modified them to fit previous seasons kits. Pitch is just something of google images.

I can send you the files if you want.
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That preview says we are virtually at full strength, I know we are only missing two players but to call a team missing its captain and vice-captain virtually full strength is pushing it!

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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Poll on Mariners page

Which Mariners attacker will have the biggest on-field impact against Wellington Phoenix on Saturday?
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34% - Tom Rogic
 
11% - Adam Kwasnik
 
2% - Daniel McBreen
 
44% - John Sutton
 
9% - Bernie Ibini

Thank you for voting!



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bopman wrote:
That preview says we are virtually at full strength, I know we are only missing two players but to call a team missing its captain and vice-captain virtually full strength is pushing it!
Was just thinking that! It's a wildly inconsistent article.
 
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lets just look towards next week. Maybe we can get a draw at Sydney.
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Good luck guys ... may the best team win .. which we all know is the mighty Mariners...

Looking forward to this game to see if we can start to win again...

We still have Musty out with the Olyroos and we miss Ryan heaps in goals and Olly down the left side of mid field ..

Interesting stat we have not won a game this year Musty has not played in and we have not lost a game he has played in...

Anyone from NZ over here if you want a good chat about football go to the Central Coast Leagues Club just across the road from Bluetounge Stadium and go to the Kendal bar ... Also after the match an All you can eat feed in the club is always full of football folk after the match and decent food as well .. well half decent anyway...

Cheers and good luck YF ... hope we win by a lot ...

Midfielder2012-02-17 16:03:01

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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youknow wrote:
lets just look towards next week. Maybe we can get a draw at Sydney.
 
No Ryan, No Bozanic, possibly no Bojic, Simon gone,co ming off two losses and the Scotsman introduced to his team mates in the tunnel.
 
Things aren't all rosey in Camp Mariners either.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
youknow wrote:
lets just look towards next week. Maybe we can get a draw at Sydney.

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No Ryan, No Bozanic, possibly no Bojic,�Simon gone,co ming off two losses and�the Scotsman introduced to his team mates in the tunnel.

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Things aren't all rosey in Camp Mariners either.


HN, if the Scotsman you are refering to is Sutton, then he is actually English and has been playing in Scotland.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Hard News wrote:
Meh.
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All the same.� Right Eejit?� Jambo?


If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Hard News wrote:
Meh.
�

All the same.� Right Eejit?� Jambo?


Just like New Zealand is part of Australia Eh?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Midfielder wrote:


Also after the match an All you can eat feed in the club is always full of football folk after the match and decent food as well ..


You had Hard News at "Hello"

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Midfielder wrote:
Good luck guys ... may the best team win .. which we all know is the mighty Mariners...

Looking forward to this game to see if we can start to win again...

We still have Musty out with the Olyroos and we miss Ryan heaps in goals and Olly down the left side of mid field ..

Interesting stat we have not won a game this year Musty has not played in and we have not lost a game he has played in...

Anyone from NZ over here if you want a good chat about football go to the Central Coast Leagues Club just across the road from Bluetounge Stadium and go to the Kendal bar ... Also after the match an All you can eat feed in the club is always full of football folk after the match and decent food as well .. well half decent anyway...

Cheers and good luck YF ... hope we win by a lot ...

 
Nice invite...hope u come second...

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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