Paston will come back next season. I'd imagine they'd have talked it through with him,he said he'd stay then Vuko wouldve left next season as a result.
Otherwise,pretty poor losing Vuko
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I realize Brisbane probably looks attractive to McKain but if we could get him back then that would be some good business alright. An ex-Socceroo, sold him and got a 1.5 million dollar transfer fee, then get him back as soon as he's released. Jade North can go if that's the case as McKain, Siggy, and Dura with Musa on the bench looks good to me. Though I do hate to see Siggy on the bench.
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Paston will come back next season. I'd imagine they'd have talked it through with him,he said he'd stay then Vuko wouldve left next season as a result.
Otherwise,pretty poor losing Vuko
this is exactly what i was thinking
if we ended up with no keepers after all the good ones that have been through here...
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"Phoenix till they lose"
yep there's spots going all over the show
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havent the jets lost one too? And perth?
Newcastle - Ljubo Milicevic
Perth - Andy Todd
Brisbane - Luke DeVere
GoldCoast - Bas Van den Brink
Adelaide - Ian Fyfe
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Nikolai Topor-Stanley and Patrick Zwaansjik are two very good centre backs off contract.
Throw in Jon McKain and Andrew Boyens.Luis Garcia2011-02-03 14:26:05
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I wonder if it's worth letting Siggy go overseas to another A-League club if any are interested? I love the guy but I want him to get game time and can't see a lot of it happening unless it's at RB but I'd hope we'll sort that position out by next season and not have to put strikers/attacking mids/goalies onto that part of the park.
Then we'll have Musa on the bench and we can bring in Andy Boyens. I said I want Kiwi's to get game time but this guy doesn't really have an All Whites future other than as a sub behind who knows how many players. He has come off contract and is still a handy player and could be keen to play pro in NZ.
I probably should have clarified at the start that all this is assuming we get McKain, of course. A big assumption, I realize.
Then we'll have Musa on the bench and we can bring in Andy Boyens. I said I want Kiwi's to get game time but this guy doesn't really have an All Whites future other than as a sub behind who knows how many players. He has come off contract and is still a handy player and could be keen to play pro in NZ.
I probably should have clarified at the start that all this is assuming we get McKain, of course. A big assumption, I realize.
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Unless we can sell 'unfinished business' to Jon, especially as he had signed a new contract before he got the chance in Saudi.
I wouldn't fancy our chances of getting hold of him, nor keeping Jade in the squad. Boyens may be an option - Durante, Sigmund, Musa and Boyens is pretty solid - the first choice pair is obvious, the back up is reasonably competent, and we have the young buck developing.
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yip manny is on board.
Boyens should be a real target for the fact that he can be reliable, but wont necessarily demand first choice selection therefore wont be on as higher wages one would hope.
Doubt Jon McKain would realistically be back. Even before he re-signed, he wasnt at all ready to confirm his future with the nix as he said he always has wanted to return to Brissy. I think thats where he will be. Thats if they can get him under the cap, now that night be a squeeze. Guess the same goes for Adelaide too
Boyens should be a real target for the fact that he can be reliable, but wont necessarily demand first choice selection therefore wont be on as higher wages one would hope.
Doubt Jon McKain would realistically be back. Even before he re-signed, he wasnt at all ready to confirm his future with the nix as he said he always has wanted to return to Brissy. I think thats where he will be. Thats if they can get him under the cap, now that night be a squeeze. Guess the same goes for Adelaide too
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yip manny is on board.
Boyens should be a real target for the fact that he can be reliable, but wont necessarily demand first choice selection therefore wont be on as higher wages one would hope.
Doubt Jon McKain would realistically be back. Even before he re-signed, he wasnt at all ready to confirm his future with the nix as he said he always has wanted to return to Brissy. I think thats where he will be. Thats if they can get him under the cap, now that night be a squeeze. Guess the same goes for Adelaide too
Boyens should be a real target for the fact that he can be reliable, but wont necessarily demand first choice selection therefore wont be on as higher wages one would hope.
Doubt Jon McKain would realistically be back. Even before he re-signed, he wasnt at all ready to confirm his future with the nix as he said he always has wanted to return to Brissy. I think thats where he will be. Thats if they can get him under the cap, now that night be a squeeze. Guess the same goes for Adelaide too
Not sure he's quick enough for the new Brissy style of play
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good points when summarized like that HN...
also a good counter-point re brisbane's salary cap situation PWF
i also think a quartet of dura, siggie, boyens and musa sounds ok paulinho.
Damn blackburn re-signing nelsen... i would crack a fat if he came back and marqueed us out
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yip manny is on board.
Boyens should be a real target for the fact that he can be reliable, but wont necessarily demand first choice selection therefore wont be on as higher wages one would hope.
Doubt Jon McKain would realistically be back. Even before he re-signed, he wasnt at all ready to confirm his future with the nix as he said he always has wanted to return to Brissy. I think thats where he will be. Thats if they can get him under the cap, now that night be a squeeze. Guess the same goes for Adelaide too
Boyens should be a real target for the fact that he can be reliable, but wont necessarily demand first choice selection therefore wont be on as higher wages one would hope.
Doubt Jon McKain would realistically be back. Even before he re-signed, he wasnt at all ready to confirm his future with the nix as he said he always has wanted to return to Brissy. I think thats where he will be. Thats if they can get him under the cap, now that night be a squeeze. Guess the same goes for Adelaide too
Boyens and Sigmund were great together vs Wales.
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yip manny is on board.
Boyens should be a real target for the fact that he can be reliable, but wont necessarily demand first choice selection therefore wont be on as higher wages one would hope.
Doubt Jon McKain would realistically be back. Even before he re-signed, he wasnt at all ready to confirm his future with the nix as he said he always has wanted to return to Brissy. I think thats where he will be. Thats if they can get him under the cap, now that night be a squeeze. Guess the same goes for Adelaide too
Boyens should be a real target for the fact that he can be reliable, but wont necessarily demand first choice selection therefore wont be on as higher wages one would hope.
Doubt Jon McKain would realistically be back. Even before he re-signed, he wasnt at all ready to confirm his future with the nix as he said he always has wanted to return to Brissy. I think thats where he will be. Thats if they can get him under the cap, now that night be a squeeze. Guess the same goes for Adelaide too
Boyens and Sigmund were great together vs Wales.
Is this the game almost 4 years ago?
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Personally I think Boyens is woefully underrated by many NZ footy fans.
Would be a fantastic addition to the squad and definately be challenging for a starting spot. Would be great to see him playing week in week out in the A League.
sawu2011-02-03 22:28:35
Would be a fantastic addition to the squad and definately be challenging for a starting spot. Would be great to see him playing week in week out in the A League.
sawu2011-02-03 22:28:35
As cultured as Che Bunce's left foot and as profilic as John Lammers
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Personally I think Boyens is woefully overrated by many NZ footy fans.
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Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Then we'll have Musa on the bench and we can bring in Andy Boyens. I said I want Kiwi's to get game time but this guy doesn't really have an All Whites future other than as a sub behind who knows how many players. He has come off contract and is still a handy player and could be keen to play pro in NZ.
That said, what makes you think he is good enough to pay for the Phoenix?
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Personally I think Boyens is woefully underrated by many NZ footy fans.
I think this would make a lot more impact if you at least attempted to defend his record. He's 27 and has played 56 (total) matches in the MLS in 4 seasons, I just don't see how that record stacks up - or what there even is to underrate?
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admittedly i havent watched a lot of him, but the higher standard of the MLS and boyens' lack of serious gametime suggests to me that the A League might be just about perfect for him?
I think that's a bit of a dangerous assumption. The top of the MLS is undoubtedly very strong btu they do carry much bigger squads (some guys at the edge of the squads earn 17k USD). He's a guy who has generally struggled in not very strong franchises, I wouldn't assume that making the MLS means you're A-League quality Jared Smith was there for a while and no-one is rushing to sign him up.
Not knocking Boyens by the way (I like him personally and played a few games with him in Dunedin and he's a top guy) - just think we're getting back into the he's kiwi, he's played a few games in an ok league = sign him up.
I don't think we should ignore the fact that we're going to finish 6th at best in an 11 team league. That's a poor season and we shouldn't let the finals place obscure that. We need 3-4 quality players (and I'm talking Ifill quality) before we're going to be competing for the title - I don't see Andy Boyens being in that class. I think we have the set up and resources to be a top 2 side and I think we need to be a lot more strategic in our recruiting (because I think we did a pretty lousy job this year).
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fair points JD, and yes it is a dangerous assumption but that's all I've got :)
We should hopefully feel secure in the knowledge that if anyone knows whether or not he's of a high enough quality for us it should be ricki...... he's seen him enough at trainings etc and in the AWs environment to make that decision i would think
if there's no rumours and RH doesnt pursue it at all, then i will accept it as a 'trust ricki' moment
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Here's a thought, how about we do some loan deals? Surely there are some clubs in Europe that must have quality players in need of a change of scenario/regular game time??
Means we don't need to invest the financial outlay of purchasing them, we just need to cover their wages (or part there of).
Means we don't need to invest the financial outlay of purchasing them, we just need to cover their wages (or part there of).
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Here's a thought, how about we do some loan deals? Surely there are some clubs in Europe that must have quality players in need of a change of scenario/regular game time??
Means we don't need to invest the financial outlay of purchasing them, we just need to cover their wages (or part there of).
Means we don't need to invest the financial outlay of purchasing them, we just need to cover their wages (or part there of).
I agree it would be great, and I think the A-League would love to be a european loan league, but it is quite difficult. I think generally it's much more likely for a young European pro to want to stay in Europe where it's perceived that they are being watched, whether on TV, scouts etc, close to their mates, their agent. It doesn't appear to be that obvious a solution for a young player, what is there really for them to gain?
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Does it really matter? I could sit here and babble on all day about him and why i think hes under rated or whatever. I just think its hard to pass judgement on the guy when recently he hasnt been getting a lot of game time.
The only real chance we have of seeing him play is when he pulls on the white jersey, and even then hes behind an english based back 3, and lochy/siggy (who Ricki gets to cast his eye over pretty much everyday). So its pretty hard to break into the squad on that alone.
I think the guys easily up to A-League standard and providing hes getting the game time (which he hasnt been getting a lot of) we will see great things if we can get him into the Nix and under Rickis wing with the rest of the kiwis in the squad.
I just dont think people have seen enough of him recently to be able to claim hes over rated.
The only real chance we have of seeing him play is when he pulls on the white jersey, and even then hes behind an english based back 3, and lochy/siggy (who Ricki gets to cast his eye over pretty much everyday). So its pretty hard to break into the squad on that alone.
I think the guys easily up to A-League standard and providing hes getting the game time (which he hasnt been getting a lot of) we will see great things if we can get him into the Nix and under Rickis wing with the rest of the kiwis in the squad.
I just dont think people have seen enough of him recently to be able to claim hes over rated.
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Going on what you've just said, isn't it equally valid to say that people can't claim he's good to enough for the A League either then?
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Yes, but theres really only one way to be sure. I cant see him being below Disco/Siggy as a defender.
Would either of those two be good enough for a starting spot in NY? Or Lochy?
If Ricki doesnt think hes good enough to be signed, I'll go with that.
AJ132011-02-04 13:27:45
Would either of those two be good enough for a starting spot in NY? Or Lochy?
If Ricki doesnt think hes good enough to be signed, I'll go with that.
AJ132011-02-04 13:27:45
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admittedly i havent watched a lot of him, but the higher standard of the MLS and boyens' lack of serious gametime suggests to me that the A League might be just about perfect for him?
I think that's a bit of a dangerous assumption. The top of the MLS is undoubtedly very strong btu they do carry much bigger squads (some guys at the edge of the squads earn 17k USD). He's a guy who has generally struggled in not very strong franchises, I wouldn't assume that making the MLS means you're A-League quality Jared Smith was there for a while and no-one is rushing to sign him up.
Not knocking Boyens by the way (I like him personally and played a few games with him in Dunedin and he's a top guy) - just think we're getting back into the he's kiwi, he's played a few games in an ok league = sign him up.
I don't think we should ignore the fact that we're going to finish 6th at best in an 11 team league. That's a poor season and we shouldn't let the finals place obscure that. We need 3-4 quality players (and I'm talking Ifill quality) before we're going to be competing for the title - I don't see Andy Boyens being in that class. I think we have the set up and resources to be a top 2 side and I think we need to be a lot more strategic in our recruiting (because I think we did a pretty lousy job this year).
Agree it's quite an assumption but keep in mind he was on the bench behind players like Rafael Marquez who could keep many on the bench so for him to be good enough as a bench player in the A-League sounds right to me. Having said that, I don't think, nor do I want, Ricki to sign based on my assumptions - he knows the guy and if it's right for the team for him to join as a sub then I'll be happy.
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