Maybe we could lure Kosta back home?
I know he came home for Christmas...
I also know his team did get promoted for next season, so I would put it as VERY UNLIKELY.
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Just saying...
How about we sign Smith now, and leave the foreign striker till next season? I mean...according to Nix 9 this season is transition anyway, also i doubt with the amount of money they are willing to spend we would be able to get a striker who can light up the league...
So...Sign Smith now (at least he's part of the team and proven a-league quality, comparing to a gamble foriegn striker), then at the end of this season let go Warner, and make Greenie a full time assistant. Then we have 2 spots to play with...
What do you guys think?
How about we sign Smith now, and leave the foreign striker till next season? I mean...according to Nix 9 this season is transition anyway, also i doubt with the amount of money they are willing to spend we would be able to get a striker who can light up the league...
So...Sign Smith now (at least he's part of the team and proven a-league quality, comparing to a gamble foriegn striker), then at the end of this season let go Warner, and make Greenie a full time assistant. Then we have 2 spots to play with...
What do you guys think?
Then we can have a chance to re-sign Smith at the end of the season too.
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COYN We are in a decent position on the table at the moment, so I don't think we should just flag this season and sign Smith up for the rest of the season.
If we picked up a striker, and it helped us get points away, we could have another home finals game in Wellington. Last time we got a massive crowd, and I think the FFA has changed its stance on who gets the gate cash, so a new striker could pay for himself.
If we picked up a striker, and it helped us get points away, we could have another home finals game in Wellington. Last time we got a massive crowd, and I think the FFA has changed its stance on who gets the gate cash, so a new striker could pay for himself.
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Just saying...
How about we sign Smith now, and leave the foreign striker till next season? I mean...according to Nix 9 this season is transition anyway, also i doubt with the amount of money they are willing to spend we would be able to get a striker who can light up the league...
So...Sign Smith now (at least he's part of the team and proven a-league quality, comparing to a gamble foriegn striker), then at the end of this season let go Warner, and make Greenie a full time assistant. Then we have 2 spots to play with...
What do you guys think?
How about we sign Smith now, and leave the foreign striker till next season? I mean...according to Nix 9 this season is transition anyway, also i doubt with the amount of money they are willing to spend we would be able to get a striker who can light up the league...
So...Sign Smith now (at least he's part of the team and proven a-league quality, comparing to a gamble foriegn striker), then at the end of this season let go Warner, and make Greenie a full time assistant. Then we have 2 spots to play with...
What do you guys think?
That kind of makes sense. I don't think Rickie and Welnix are that heavily committed to signing a new striker anyway....I could be wrong but the vibe does not seem that strong.
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We are in a decent position on the table at the moment, so I don't think we should just flag this season and sign Smith up for the rest of the season.If we picked up a striker, and it helped us get points away, we could have another home finals game in Wellington. Last time we got a massive crowd, and I think the FFA has changed its stance on who gets the gate cash, so a new striker could pay for himself.
I like this thinking, however in the owner's eyes, I guess it would be a gamble.
Otherwise, lets sign Drogba!
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Well the transfer window is open, I hope if we are going to sign this gun striker that we do so quickly rather then late in the month
In terms of the imports I think we resign smith for the rest of the season (with a view of playing him) and move greenie upstairs
In terms of the imports I think we resign smith for the rest of the season (with a view of playing him) and move greenie upstairs
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Smith's injury replacement contract ends on the 17th, but i guess we could pay him out early if needed.
Moving Greenacre upstairs is an option, but is he ready to retire? Also we are looking at assistants for next season, so will Greenacre be on the coaching staff next season?
Moving Greenacre upstairs is an option, but is he ready to retire? Also we are looking at assistants for next season, so will Greenacre be on the coaching staff next season?
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I think when Greenacre retires from playing is up to him - so how about everyone stops mentioning it until he actually indicates it is an option for him. It's rather insulting to a player who has been bloody great for us for 'fans' to suggest he retires
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Greenacre would be too much of a loss on the feild to even suggest he moves in any direction other than in the starting 11
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I don't thick that greenacre should be insulted at all.
He has chosen the path of coaching himself and part of that job unfortunately is to choose the best player. Rickis weakness is that he is to loyal to certain players and green acre by standing down would be a good counterbalance. Ricki also requires a full time assistant so you are solving two problems at the same time
It goes without saying that the new striker needs to be a superior player AucklandPhoenix2012-01-03 14:25:22
He has chosen the path of coaching himself and part of that job unfortunately is to choose the best player. Rickis weakness is that he is to loyal to certain players and green acre by standing down would be a good counterbalance. Ricki also requires a full time assistant so you are solving two problems at the same time
It goes without saying that the new striker needs to be a superior player AucklandPhoenix2012-01-03 14:25:22
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He is a token asst coach at best - and not neccessarily something he wants more of at this point in time- and do you actually think he has a say in team selection?
And I think telling someone to retire when he is still youngish is insulting. If he wants to hang up his boots and coach I think he would be great though.
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Greeny is by far and away my favourite player - I cannot imagine a better club man and I would love to see him stay on with the club after his playing days in a youth development, assistant coaching, mentoring etc role.
I also absolutely agree he should be treated with the respect his commitment to the club and professionalism deserve.
To say he, and he alone, should decide when he retires (from the Nix) however is nonsense - the Nix have, next season, four very precious import spots to use and they need to be used to the best advantage of the club - if that includes a contract for Greeny then great (personally I doubt it would), if it doesn't then so be it. No one would understand the realities of professional football better than Greeny.
Probably also somewhat unrealistic to not expect supporters to speculate on how we could / should use our import spots next season.
I however restate my absolute agreement with the sentiment that Greeny should be treated with the utmost respect he deserves.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Greeny is by far and away my favourite player...
To say he, and he alone,�should decide when he retires (from the Nix)�however is nonsense.
Would hate to see what you have to say about your least favourite player.
I thought the message was that Greenie would decide for himself when he was ready to retire. Not a bunch of knee-jerk-must-play-like-Barthelona-every-match-otherwise-we-sack-the-coach-and-all-the-players-and-start-again-fans.
Of course Ricki/CEO could make that decision for him (that's their job).
The way the angst goes on in these threads when results don't go our way you'd think we were a gooner forum...
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https://sport.msn.co.nz/sportnews/othersports/8397781/on-trial-aussie-youngster-impresses
Hmm.. we have Dakota Lucas banging them in for TW and instead we turn to this guy
This
But I think Lucas has spent time training with the Nix....someone correct if this is wrong. He certainly would be worth a trial as well.
Ricky Zucco plays in the Illawarra Premiership....last season was comp golden boot with 20 goals in 17 games. Has got 7 in 4 games this season. Missed the first 4 games of this season due to suspension. Local football journo said he is mega talented and could be a an A-League prospect if he addresses his mental attitude...makes you wonder why no one else has looked at thim
Probably worth a look. Not sure what level Illawarra Prem is.....sounds like rural State League level.
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If you treat everyone with the respect they deserve and never insult anyone Timmy will still be your central midfielder in 5 years time
Leo would likely be the other one
Calling him a token coach shows less respect
AucklandPhoenix2012-01-03 16:06:00
Leo would likely be the other one
Calling him a token coach shows less respect
AucklandPhoenix2012-01-03 16:06:00
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So he has had 3 years in the Premiership.
2 of those years at Waitakere.
1 of those years he was a 1st name on the sheet player.
Now he is in Wellington and we should give him a go?
Until he sorts out his personal issues (clowning a ref and picking a fight with Muscat) I wouldn't pick him. Its not like he has set the Premiership on fire like Jordan, Young, Totori (when he was at YHM) in the 3 years he has been the league. I'd also ask if he was a better player than Mulligan (who didn't make it) Clapham (who is an All White) and Vicelich (who is also an All White) in the same league.
I stand by my statement and back it up.
edit: I'll also add that he loses nothing becoming a better player getting 90mins in the league he is in for a couple of years. If he is not putting them away against Premiership defences, what chance has he got against A League defences? At least then he has got a couple of years to show that he is a legitimate goalscorer cause if he is, he should at least take the golden boot at least once. Why would you pick someone just to sit on the bench at best.
Jeff Vader2012-01-03 16:13:38
2 of those years at Waitakere.
1 of those years he was a 1st name on the sheet player.
Now he is in Wellington and we should give him a go?
Until he sorts out his personal issues (clowning a ref and picking a fight with Muscat) I wouldn't pick him. Its not like he has set the Premiership on fire like Jordan, Young, Totori (when he was at YHM) in the 3 years he has been the league. I'd also ask if he was a better player than Mulligan (who didn't make it) Clapham (who is an All White) and Vicelich (who is also an All White) in the same league.
I stand by my statement and back it up.
edit: I'll also add that he loses nothing becoming a better player getting 90mins in the league he is in for a couple of years. If he is not putting them away against Premiership defences, what chance has he got against A League defences? At least then he has got a couple of years to show that he is a legitimate goalscorer cause if he is, he should at least take the golden boot at least once. Why would you pick someone just to sit on the bench at best.
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Ricky Zucco vids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVUV8dsmKO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCZLVXErdHM&feature=endscreen&NR=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=HKceWGf6LhE
Looks to have some skills, and is a physical presence. Hard to say definatively but seems to offer more than Dakota Lucas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVUV8dsmKO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCZLVXErdHM&feature=endscreen&NR=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=HKceWGf6LhE
Looks to have some skills, and is a physical presence. Hard to say definatively but seems to offer more than Dakota Lucas.
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Zucco - not exactly the solution we need.
Im glad the nix are giving chances to promising young kids. Would prefer kiwis, but its good they are looking all over as well.
But I think what we need is an experienced striker with a bit more of a goal scoring record to come straight into the starting line-up.
Unless the kid is good enough to do that, then he would just be on the bench at best
Im glad the nix are giving chances to promising young kids. Would prefer kiwis, but its good they are looking all over as well.
But I think what we need is an experienced striker with a bit more of a goal scoring record to come straight into the starting line-up.
Unless the kid is good enough to do that, then he would just be on the bench at best
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Dakota Lucas - hype no substance.
Very unfair
All you can ask of a striker is to score goals at the level that they are playing at. Lucas is doing that. He looked Ok scoring twice in the Nix friendly last month.
so were you backing John Sutherland for a pro contract last year too? Seriously just cos you knock in a few goals in ASB doesnt mean you are ready to turn pro. Personally from what I have seen of Lucas he is entirely average currently.
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Why would Dakota want to play for Ricki...
Dakota isn't going to win anything in the air and thats how we tend to play and judging by how mcuh game time Lyndsey had, i'm not sure Dakota would believe he'd get a decent crack any way.
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https://sport.msn.co.nz/sportnews/othersports/8397781/on-trial-aussie-youngster-impresses
Hmm.. we have Dakota Lucas banging them in for TW and instead we turn to this guy
Dakota is a known quantity to RH, if he liked what he saw DL wouldn't be in the ASB, he'd be in the A-League. The fact Ricki hasn't given him a contract and is looking at a young aussie kid says something about where Dakota fits in the phoenix plans.
Although the league this kid is coming from doesnt sound overly impressive
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Zucco looks capable of playing in the A-league but not really what 'Nix need. But I am more inclined to believe that Dakota Lucas is the goods and does deserve his chance at the club. He is a nuisance to opposition with his speed and dribbling and can score a few goals which is unlike anything the phoenix has bar Ifill. As an avid watcher of the mighty Team Wellington I do think he has the ability to play in the A-league
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But I am glad Ricki is looking at younger players as it is a huge concern having the average age of the starting XI being 30 (starting line up of Warner, Manny, Durante, Siggy, Lochhead, Bertos, Lia, Brown, Iffil, Sanhez, Greenacre)
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Why would Dakota want to play for Ricki...
Dakota isn't going to win anything in the air and thats how we tend to play and judging by how mcuh game time Lyndsey had, i'm not sure Dakota would believe he'd get a decent crack any way.good problem solved then
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Zucco looks capable of playing in the A-league but not really what 'Nix need. But I am more inclined to believe that Dakota Lucas is the goods and does deserve his chance at the club. He is a nuisance to opposition with his speed and dribbling and can score a few goals which is unlike anything the phoenix has bar Ifill. As an avid watcher of the mighty Team Wellington I do think he has the ability to play in the A-league
And how often do our strikers run at A League back 4's??? Never.
He is a short man and what do we do.... big loopy crosses. As Feverish said above, there is nothing there really. Does he have a consistent goal scoring record in the Premiership?
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That is what I am saying...we need someone that does. Greenie is a johnny on the spot striker, as was Smeltz. Kosta played pretty similar to Dakota and Ricki probaly really regrets letting him go. Ricki intially tried to play Ifill up front as a out and out striker but he kept moving out wide and/or running at defenders so he moved him to a roving role or out wide. So Ricki is not entirely a dunce with these style of players (i know that is hard to believe!)
Lucas does not have the most consistent record, he is more of a patchy forward like Kosta i.e when he does score he scores a few.
Lucas does not have the most consistent record, he is more of a patchy forward like Kosta i.e when he does score he scores a few.
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So he has had 3 years in the Premiership.2 of those years at Waitakere.1 of those years he was a 1st name on the sheet player.Now he is in Wellington and we should give him a go?Until he sorts out his personal issues (clowning a ref and picking a fight with Muscat) I wouldn't pick him. Its not like he has set the Premiership on fire like Jordan, Young, Totori (when he was at YHM) in the 3 years he has been the league. I'd also ask if he was a better player than Mulligan (who didn't make it) Clapham (who is an All White) and Vicelich (who is also an All White) in the same league.I stand by my statement and back it up.edit: I'll also add that he loses nothing becoming a better player getting 90mins in the league he is in for a couple of years. If he is not putting them away against Premiership defences, what chance has he got against A League defences? At least then he has got a couple of years to show that he is a legitimate goalscorer cause if he is, he should at least take the golden boot at least once. Why would you pick someone just to sit on the bench at best.
Andrew Mulligan, Aaron Clapham and Ivan Vicelich aren't strikers though. I was basically saying if we are after a young striker than why this guy over Dakota Lucas.
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So he has had 3 years in the Premiership.2 of those years at Waitakere.1 of those years he was a 1st name on the sheet player.Now he is in Wellington and we should give him a go?Until he sorts out his personal issues (clowning a ref and picking a fight with Muscat) I wouldn't pick him. Its not like he has set the Premiership on fire like Jordan, Young, Totori (when he was at YHM) in the 3 years he has been the league. I'd also ask if he was a better player than Mulligan (who didn't make it) Clapham (who is an All White) and Vicelich (who is also an All White) in the same league.I stand by my statement and back it up.edit: I'll also add that he loses nothing becoming a better player getting 90mins in the league he is in for a couple of years. If he is not putting them away against Premiership defences, what chance has he got against A League defences? At least then he has got a couple of years to show that he is a legitimate goalscorer cause if he is, he should at least take the golden boot at least once. Why would you pick someone just to sit on the bench at best.
Andrew Mulligan, Aaron Clapham and Ivan Vicelich aren't strikers though. I was basically saying if we are after a young striker than why this guy over Dakota Lucas.
cos the ozzie might occasionally pass the ball
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So he has had 3 years in the Premiership.2 of those years at Waitakere.1 of those years he was a 1st name on the sheet player.Now he is in Wellington and we should give him a go?Until he sorts out his personal issues (clowning a ref and picking a fight with Muscat) I wouldn't pick him. Its not like he has set the Premiership on fire like Jordan, Young, Totori (when he was at YHM) in the 3 years he has been the league. I'd also ask if he was a better player than Mulligan (who didn't make it) Clapham (who is an All White) and Vicelich (who is also an All White) in the same league.I stand by my statement and back it up.edit: I'll also add that he loses nothing becoming a better player getting 90mins in the league he is in for a couple of years. If he is not putting them away against Premiership defences, what chance has he got against A League defences? At least then he has got a couple of years to show that he is a legitimate goalscorer cause if he is, he should at least take the golden boot at least once. Why would you pick someone just to sit on the bench at best.
Andrew Mulligan, Aaron Clapham and Ivan Vicelich aren't strikers though. I was basically saying if we are after a young striker than why this guy over Dakota Lucas.
Neither is Andrew Mulligan....
I don't know the guys record and I'm not going to look it up but again, what has Dakota Lucas done? Did he light up the NRFL? Did he light up the Premiership in the last 2 years? What has he got that is going to make him better than the other guy. Russell Kamo, who is a complete donkey, has done more than Lucas and I wouldn't give him a look in.
Just cause its a popular name getting flogged about at the moment and he scored a goal here and 2 in a friendly is not grounds to get a foot in the door. We are a pro football club and need to sign players that are going to improve the team. I don't have any names to give you but this is not one of them.
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Greeny is by far and away my favourite player...
To say he, and he alone, should decide when he retires (from the Nix) however is nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Would hate to see what you have to say about your least favourite player.
I thought the message was that Greenie would decide for himself when he was ready to retire. Not a bunch of knee-jerk-must-play-like-Barthelona-every-match-otherwise-we-sack-the-coach-and-all-the-players-and-start-again-fans.
Of course Ricki/CEO could make that decision for him (that's their job).
The way the angst goes on in these threads when results don't go our way you'd think we were a gooner forum...
[QUOTE=AucklandPhoenix]If you treat everyone with the respect they deserve and never insult anyone Timmy will still be your central midfielder in 5 years time
Leo would likely be the other one
Calling him a token coach shows less respect
Leo would likely be the other one
Calling him a token coach shows less respect
Actually there is no need for angst - I think you both miss the point which is it is possible for either a player to choose not to re-sign for a club or for a club to choose not to re-sign a player and for those discussions, and announcement of that outcome, to be handled with professionalism and mutual respect.
The club and Greeny will decide, respectively, what is in their best interest and, therefore, whether they wish to offer a contract extension / accept any offer made.
Simple as that.
P.S. The fact I am a big fan of Greeny's doesn't mean that I am not open to the possibility that he may not represent the best use of our reduced (next season) number of import spots - for me that will largely come down to the nationality of the "make a difference" striker we are hopefully going to sign.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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