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Think Chen, G** and Musa were.2ndBest2011-08-18 22:01:18
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james dean wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
To be fair, I'm struggling to think of someone who trialled and was actually signed (Marco excepted).

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And we've probably trialled what, 15 players in the last 2 seasons?� Maybe Toto?


Wasn't Toto signed straight away? And Chen was a loan following the friendly against his Chinese club?

At any rate, I don't recall either of them being 'triallists' in the sense that we've ben talking about here. But I could be wrong I guess.
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Toto was around a while before we signed him, wasn't he? I always got the feeling we didn't really want him but we needed another signing to hit the minimum.

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terminator_x wrote:
Anyone who shares a name a name with this dude is all right with me.



You have made my day! It wasn't just me having a laugh at that!
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valeo wrote:
Toto was around a while before we signed him, wasn't he? I always got the feeling we didn't really want him but we needed another signing to hit the minimum.
Pretty close to the mark. I saw him training and in a game against NZ U20s in the Hutt before he was signed. There was a sense of time-panic about his eventual signing.

Edit: or a "NZ underage selection"Turfmoore2011-08-18 22:05:02

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2ndBest wrote:
Think Chen, G** and Musa were.� Manny at a stretch.



Manny a very, very long stretch - he was brought over as injury cover, did he actually trial?

G** I remember playing in a lot of pre-season games, but can't recall now if he'd been signed or if it was a trial period. He'd had a decent spell at the Knights previously so that probably also counted in his favour.

Musa, yeah, but don't think Chen was an actual 'triallist'.
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Turfmoore wrote:
valeo wrote:
Toto was around a while before we signed him, wasn't he? I always got the feeling we didn't really want him but we needed another signing to hit the minimum.
Pretty close to the mark. I saw him training and in a game against NZ U20s in the Hutt before he was signed. There was a sense of time-panic about his eventual signing.

Edit: or a "NZ underage selection"


He played in the game in the Wairarapa as well - I rememember having a stoush with JD over his potential usefulness to the team (I thought he was pants) and this leads me to believe he may have already signed by then. And this was before the game at Hutt Park you've mentioned (also remember that game being touted as the trial for Bam Bam, which also leads me to believe that Toto was signed by then).

But could be wrong I guess.
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Toto was definetly on trial when he came on verses bocca

it would be very interesting to know how many players have trialled with us because JD is right the percentage of players signed as a result would be very small AucklandPhoenix2011-08-18 22:12:04

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�Jiang trained and trialled with us during our two-match tour of China and (head coach) Ricki Herbert was impressed with what he saw, so we�re very pleased to have him with us on loan till the end of the season.
http://www.wellingtonphoenix.com/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=28530

You're right about G**.  Remember Tony P stitching us up when we signed him.
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I might have been wrong about the Hutt game, but an old newspaper article (can't be arsed linking) said he was trial even when we played Boca. Pav was also signed after a trial (at the same time).

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el grapadura wrote:
Turfmoore wrote:
valeo wrote:
Toto was around a while before we signed him, wasn't he? I always got the feeling we didn't really want him but we needed another signing to hit the minimum.
Pretty close to the mark. I saw him training and in a game against NZ U20s in the Hutt before he was signed. There was a sense of time-panic about his eventual signing.

Edit: or a "NZ underage selection"


He played in the game in the Wairarapa as well - I rememember having a stoush with JD over his potential usefulness to the team (I thought he was pants) and this leads me to believe he may have already signed by then. And this was before the game at Hutt Park you've mentioned (also remember that game being touted as the trial for Bam Bam, which also leads me to believe that Toto was signed by then).

But could be wrong I guess.
 
I was very hopeful on Toto - god knows why!

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Just found out that Toto was signed on 28 July 2010, so I guess he did trial. He was a real desperation signing...

Fair enough about Chen, remember him coming from China and straight in, didn't realise he'd spent time with the team over there.
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It makes perfect sense to me.
 
If you're an overseas player (not Aussie) trialling at the Phoenix you are fairly desperate.
 
If you're desperate it's probably because you don't have a club
 
If you don't have a club you're probably not that good

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are we concluding that when we sign trialled players, they turn out sh*t.
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I'm still holding out hope for Pav.
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james dean wrote:
I was very hopeful on Toto - god knows why!


Yeah, that's quite an admission, but it does help explain your skepticism ever since! Once bitten, twice shy...
terminator_x2011-08-18 22:30:15

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2ndBest wrote:
are we concluding that when we sign trialled players, they turn out sh*t.
 
If Chen and Toto are the succesful ones I'd love to have seen how bad some of the unsuccesful ones were...

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terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
I was very hopeful on Toto - god knows why!


Yeah, that's quite an admission, but it does help explain your skepticism ever since! Once bitten, twice shy...
 
I genuinely think with a quality attacking midfield player we could win the league.  I just really wanted Toto to be that player.  I like just about every other part of our team and I do think Ricki is a pretty good coach which makes it all the more frustrating that we haven't managed to find someone to fill that spot.

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I think perhaps as well we say trial, when the trial is also for the club.

I remember Greenacre's mate having a look at us during that miserable weather for the Boca game and then hoping back on the plane- not sure if that was him or us!


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Dont think so:

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s6i99260
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Hot off the press from 442
"Nix to trial Maceo Rigters"ex Blackburn Rovers.
 
Emailed some of my Dutch work collegues and asked them about him.
 
They really rate him as a player. He had a stellar youth career. Came out Ajax youth team. Played regularly for the Dutch under 21 team. Was Golden Boot in the UEFA <21 Championship....twice got man of the match and was in the "team of the tournament". Got signed for Breda and played 60+ games in the Dutch Eredivision and then got signed for a four year deal with Blackburn. Did'nt work out in UK, only played a few games for seniors and was loaned out....mainly to Barnsley. Was top scorer for the Blackburn reserves as recently as 2010 but only got 20 mins for the seniors. Now a free agent.
 
Definitely worth a trial IMO.
Apparently his main attributes are excellent technical skills.....ball control and passing(not surprising for someone coming through the Dutch system). Holds the ball up well and has good speed and vision. Not a noted goal scorer but sets up lots of goals.
 
My Dutchie friends think he would be great in the A-League. Things just did not work out for him in the UK....was in excellent form and then got a bad hamstring injury.
 
Could be a good bet for the Nix as a creative player just in behind a striker like Mehmet. Looking at some of his Youtube stuff he is strongly built in the hips and thighs and really holds the ball up well and brings other players into play......sure hope it works out as he could be a great asset for the Nix
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james dean wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
I was very hopeful on Toto - god knows why!


Yeah, that's quite an admission, but it does help explain your skepticism ever since! Once bitten, twice shy...
 
I genuinely think with a quality attacking midfield player we could win the league.  I just really wanted Toto to be that player.  I like just about every other part of our team and I do think Ricki is a pretty good coach which makes it all the more frustrating that we haven't managed to find someone to fill that spot.


Yeah I agree. Just someone who gives us another option than going to the corners are crossing almost every single time we attack
I like tautologies because I like them.
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zinidane wrote:
Hot off the press from 442
"Nix to trial Maceo Rigters"ex Blackburn Rovers.
 
Emailed some of my Dutch work collegues and asked them about him.
 
They really rate him as a player. He had a stellar youth career. Came out Ajax youth team. Played regularly for the Dutch under 21 team. Was Golden Boot in the UEFA <21 Championship....twice got man of the match and was in the "team of the tournament". Got signed for Breda and played 60+ games in the Dutch Eredivision and then got signed for a four year deal with Blackburn. Did'nt work out in UK, only played a few games for seniors and was loaned out....mainly to Barnsley. Was top scorer for the Blackburn reserves as recently as 2010 but only got 20 mins for the seniors. Now a free agent.
 
Definitely worth a trial IMO.
Apparently his main attributes are excellent technical skills.....ball control and passing(not surprising for someone coming through the Dutch system). Holds the ball up well and has good speed and vision. Not a noted goal scorer but sets up lots of goals.
 
My Dutchie friends think he would be great in the A-League. Things just did not work out for him in the UK....was in excellent form and then got a bad hamstring injury.
 
Could be a good bet for the Nix as a creative player just in behind a striker like Mehmet. Looking at some of his Youtube stuff he is strongly built in the hips and thighs and really holds the ball up well and brings other players into play......sure hope it works out as he could be a great asset for the Nix

Dutch players in general have a good history of doing well in the A-League also, i hope he gets signed.
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el grapadura wrote:
I'm still holding out hope for Pav.


Me too. The lad's obviously got some skill and pace- he just looked a bit berserk in his last runs out. DISCIPLINE my boy, that's what's lacking in youngsters today...

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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AJ13 wrote:
zinidane wrote:
Hot off the press from 442
"Nix to trial Maceo Rigters"ex Blackburn Rovers.
 
Emailed some of my Dutch work collegues and asked them about him.
 
They really rate him as a player. He had a stellar youth career. Came out Ajax youth team. Played regularly for the Dutch under 21 team. Was Golden Boot in the UEFA <21 Championship....twice got man of the match and was in the "team of the tournament". Got signed for Breda and played 60+ games in the Dutch Eredivision and then got signed for a four year deal with Blackburn. Did'nt work out in UK, only played a few games for seniors and was loaned out....mainly to Barnsley. Was top scorer for the Blackburn reserves as recently as 2010 but only got 20 mins for the seniors. Now a free agent.
 
Definitely worth a trial IMO.
Apparently his main attributes are excellent technical skills.....ball control and passing(not surprising for someone coming through the Dutch system). Holds the ball up well and has good speed and vision. Not a noted goal scorer but sets up lots of goals.
 
My Dutchie friends think he would be great in the A-League. Things just did not work out for him in the UK....was in excellent form and then got a bad hamstring injury.
 
Could be a good bet for the Nix as a creative player just in behind a striker like Mehmet. Looking at some of his Youtube stuff he is strongly built in the hips and thighs and really holds the ball up well and brings other players into play......sure hope it works out as he could be a great asset for the Nix

Dutch players in general have a good history of doing well in the A-League also, i hope he gets signed.
Racist.
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martinb wrote:
I think perhaps as well we say trial, when the trial is also for the club.

I remember Greenacre's mate having a look at us during that miserable weather for the Boca game and then hoping back on the plane- not sure if that was him or us!
 
Chris Shuker.  He liked the club and the team but wasn't too keen to move to NZ.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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If Wikipedia is to be believed then this fellow has really never established himself as a first team striker, and that is a worry.
 
Having said that, there is some merit in having a guy in his prime (who is unlikely to be a donkey given where he's played) looking for his last chance to crack it as a professional at some level.
 
He could be a good find. 
 
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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james dean wrote:
If you're an overseas player (not Aussie) trialling at the Phoenix you are fairly desperate.
 
If you're desperate it's probably because you don't have a club
 
If you don't have a club you're probably not that good


That's exactly the thought process I described last evening, and you called me "silly" for it.

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Smithy wrote:
If Wikipedia is to be believed then this fellow has really never established himself as a first team striker, and that is a worry.
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Having said that, there is some merit in having a guy in his prime (who is unlikely to be a donkey given where he's played) looking for his last chance to crack it as a professional at some level.

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He could be a good find.�

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Totally agree with this. Think he or Mehmet coud both have somthing to offer, and also something to prove.

Some people have said that Rigters could perhaps play behind another striker as more of a creative midfielder.

I think he could do this rol as well, however I dont know if this would work in our system. Our creative midfielder still needs to get back and defend, and Im not sure about his ability to do this. But I'm very keen to find out!


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long pre-season depression now starting to lift, from now on, no more depressed, fed up, disparaging or otherwise negative comments from me...also supporting BCFC as well,its been a monumental low period

paullt2011-08-19 10:36:42

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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Smithy wrote:
If Wikipedia is to be believed then this fellow has really never established himself as a first team striker, and that is a worry. [/QUOTE]
 
He did play 60 games in 2 seasons for NAC Breda in the Dutch first division, however, which is nearly every game. It's his goalscoring record which is poor, only 5 goals in those 2 seasons. Putting that in context though, the top goalscorer for Breda in both those years only got 8, and the whole team only scored 40-odd in 34 games..
 
[QUOTE=Smithy]Having said that, there is some merit in having a guy in his prime (who is unlikely to be a donkey given where he's played) looking for his last chance to crack it as a professional at some level.
 
He could be a good find. 
 
Agree with this though. 
 
 

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So we have worked out that we have signed players that we have trialed, some of which have worked out and some of which have not and we have signed players without a trial, some of which have worked out and some of which have not.
 
Right... So are there any bases there not covered?

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Jeff Vader wrote:


So we have worked out that we have signed players that we have trialed, some of which have worked out and some of which have not and we have signed players without a trial, some of which have worked out and some of which have not.
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Right... So�are there any bases there not covered?


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Jeff Vader wrote:
So we have worked out that we have signed players that we have trialed, some of which have worked out and some of which have not and we have signed players without a trial, some of which have worked out and some of which have not.
 
Right... So are there any bases there not covered?
 
You have failed to cover off players who we have not signed, some of whom have worked out and some of whom have not...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Looks hilariously abysmal.  Sign him for the lols.
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loyalgunner wrote:
Looks hilariously abysmal.� Sign him for the lols.



So we should also sign Mario Jardel?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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