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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
manny is no more a rb than Brown is a creative midfielder.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
manny is no more a rb than Brown is a creative midfielder.


not exactly.


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Has Bran been officially offered a contract or is the match tonight his last trial?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
manny is no more a rb than Brown is a creative midfielder.


Sorry i'm confused. I thought he was a bloody good right back (compared with Christie, Disco, Mulligan, Siggie and gosh...but haven't been overwhelmed so far..Downey) which was why we signed him?

That he can play on the left and was a revelation as a denfensive mid was just a bonus.


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He is a brilliant right back, but he is even more brilliant and is urgently needed in midfield. The midfield will break open even worse than during the Roar game if Manny plays in RB

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patrick478 wrote:
He is a brilliant right back, but he is even more brilliant and is urgently needed in midfield. The midfield will break open even worse than during the Roar game if Manny plays in RB


Brilliant might be too strong a word, but I suggest good.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
wheres the tsf speculation in the above?   Need more speculation on a striker to save our grass.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bran and Thurtell trialing tonight but Sanchez has signed according to Nix Twitter message to me tonight.
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Sanchez is signed. Bran and Thurtell are triallists RT @snappy_nz: @WgtnPhoenixFC So who do we have trialing for this one?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Downey is really fast but perhaps not solid enough defensively.
He didn't look too comfortable against the Roar.
I hope he steps up with the defence though, as we really need his pace.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Any news, rumours about potential Euro trialists?
 
Rickie is right when he said there are potentially hundreds of footballers looking for a professional contract. I am sure that we will find someone suitable to play up front for us. The concern is there has been a considerable upskilling of the A-League for this season. Not only are Kewell and Emerton on board but other squads like Perth, Jets and Adelaide have recruited very well and the Roar showed what level they are at..
 
Our squad, even if we recruit a decent striker has a "same old" look about it. Apart from a couple of unproven wide Aussie defenders and Sanchez who hardly lit up the SPL it looks a very similar set up to last season. We will not be a push over because the lads will be tight and well disciplined but IMO we are lacking 2 or 3 class players who would make the difference from being mid/lower table finishers to competing near the top end at the end of the season.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bevan wrote:
Downey is really fast but perhaps not solid enough defensively.
He didn't look too comfortable against the Roar.
I hope he steps up with the defence though, as we really need his pace.
he looks a heck of a lot better than Hearfield did at RB at the begining
if Ricki can produce the same amount of improvement in Downey as he got out of Hearfield we could end up with a pretty good player there
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sanchez not signed yet according to this quote from Rickie today, NZ Herald

"A strong focus for me was looking at our trialists. We brought Dani on for the second half and changed our shape a bit.

"He was good in the front third of the pitch, he took his goal well and linked up well. He certainly hasn't done his chances any harm."


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good old Ricki. Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
the nix have a week off i think i read somewhere, so no more new trialiists to come this week id say.

However it gives the club time to hammer out deals with sanchez and bran.

And also gives them time to focus on calling up guys to come trial with us next week, or better, signing some superstar this week after talking on the phone- ie ifill, warner,greenacre etc


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
just posted match reports from heart game, and i take back anyting ive ever saif about lia not being up to standard, Im sorry Mr Lia, u were fantastic v heart
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hepatitis wrote:
Sanchez not signed yet according to this quote from Rickie today, NZ Herald

"A strong focus for me was looking at our trialists. We brought Dani on for the second half and changed our shape a bit.

"He was good in the front third of the pitch, he took his goal well and linked up well. He certainly hasn't done his chances any harm."


 
Good grief, how long does Ricki need to make a decision on the guy?

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Steve-O wrote:
hepatitis wrote:
Sanchez not signed yet according to this quote from Rickie today, NZ Herald

"A strong focus for me was looking at our trialists. We brought Dani on for the second half and changed our shape a bit.

"He was good in the front third of the pitch, he took his goal well and linked up well. He certainly hasn't done his chances any harm."


 
Good grief, how long does Ricki need to make a decision on the guy?


Whats the hurry? He's "all but signed". Ricki and Sanchez both know it.


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Ankit wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

hepatitis wrote:
Sanchez not signed yet according to this quote from Rickie today, NZ Herald



"A strong focus for me was looking at our trialists. We brought Dani on for the second half and changed our shape a bit.




"He was good in the front third of the pitch, he took his goal well and
linked up well. He certainly hasn't done his chances any harm."


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Good grief, how long does Ricki need to make a decision on the guy?
Whats the hurry? He's "all but signed". Ricki and Sanchez both know it.


Might as well delay it for as long as possible - that way Terry can save on a few weeks wages.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
or wait for more triallists to see how they fit. Just in case there be a few foreign players and perform better than Sanchez.


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The issue with Sanchez, without ever having seen him play, is that is the position we are lacking the most and would gain the most benefit from getting a high profile foreign player. We don't need another foreign striker anywhere near as much as a midfielder. I don't know if he is good enough or not but the uncertainty from Ricki doesn't fill me with confidence. 
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nzmanu wrote:
Ankit wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

hepatitis wrote:
Sanchez not signed yet according to this quote from Rickie today, NZ Herald





"He was good in the front third of the pitch, he took his goal well and
linked up well. He certainly hasn't done his chances any harm."


 
Good grief, how long does Ricki need to make a decision on the guy?
Whats the hurry? He's "all but signed". Ricki and Sanchez both know it.


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Im guessing that sanchez may not quite be the player that Ricki sees as being the answer to the midfield issue as certainly going by previous trialists it hasnt taken this long to see that they are not what is needed or else they have decided that the Nix doesnt suit them either

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I haven't seen the Nix since last season but can Pantelis not do a job in creative midfield?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I would have thought by the reports of the Heart game Sanchez would get signed.
Either it does not change the fact we need a quality striker as Greenacre is not getting any quicker and Pav's control is not right.
One wish is we do not play Ifill up front as that nullifies his runs from out wide!
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think Ifill should play up front. IMO he plays quite a bit better there.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He is class whereever he has played but playing him centrally I have noticede he gets boxed in a bit by multiple defender.
When out wide he is one on one etc and very hard to stop.
Any thoughts on Thurtell, it went quiet pretty quick on him??
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ankit wrote:
or wait for more triallists to see how they fit. Just in case there be a few foreign players and perform better than Sanchez.


...After todays news how many " good " foreigners can we expect to sign, ...none ChopperHarris2011-08-29 21:45:45
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...After todays news how many " good " foreigns can we expect to sign, ...none


Congratulations, you'll be quoted in tomorrow's DoomPost. Despite the fact that what you've just said is arrant nonsense - unless you're peddling the tired oold circular argument that "anyone who wants to sign with the Nix in the current situation - like Tony Warner or Dani Sanchez - must suck".

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well I agree with Chopper. It would be a big call for a player that is saleable in other markets to sign on under these circumstances. Warner might have because he was talked into by his old mate Ifill, but anyone, half decent, without that influence would bugger off to Greece, Romania, or wherever where their wages and survival of the club might be a lot more guaranteed. If anyone thinks all of this banrupcy kerfuffle hasn't had an influence on our recruiting - you are dreaming.
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Well I agree with Chopper. It would be a big call for a player that is saleable in other markets to sign on under these circumstances. Warner might have because he was talked into by his old mate Ifill, but anyone, half decent, without that influence would bugger off to Greece, Romania, or wherever where their wages and survival of the club might be a lot more guaranteed. If anyone thinks all of this banrupcy kerfuffle hasn't had an influence on our recruiting - you are dreaming.
 
Yeah because Greece is a really financially secure country at the moment ae..............
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Doloras wrote:
...After todays news how many " good " foreigns can we expect to sign, ...none


Congratulations, you'll be quoted in tomorrow's DoomPost. Despite the fact that what you've just said is arrant nonsense - unless you're peddling the tired oold circular argument that "anyone who wants to sign with the Nix in the current situation - like Tony Warner or Dani Sanchez - must suck".
Still won't stop me supporting the team mate, but is that why we have only 16 players, no assitance coach, cut backs in all directions....Terry has my  money already for the coming season, but we need a hell of lot more than that to sign " good" players.
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Hard News wrote:
...Greece, Romania, or wherever...
 
I can only assume you are taking this piss by choosing those two to name in this context.
Not particularly taking the proverbial, but used to make a point that one of our recent trialists has decided his future is in that direction. Besides, can we believe that these guys aren't good enough for us and we decided to let them go, not enough to pay them minimum wages I'd guess.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bollocks.  Rigters turned up having turned down Scottish Premier League wages as being short of what he wanted, hardly surprising he never signed.  Meanwhile Mehmet went after failing to make a mark.  Sanchez showed committment and impressed so is (or will be) signed.
 
Just occassionally it's not actually a conspiracy and by not following this path we ended up with Toto last season and many of the people claiming our recruitment this year is wrong were the same ones slagging the club for snap decisions like that one.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nothing to do with conspiracy; just common sense. Forget about this being about a football club, put yourself in a similar position with your own employment, would you sign up for a company that looks like its going to fold when you can get a job somewhere else? Listen/believe all the spin you like but I'd suggest you are being naive rather than "all knowing".
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...or by the same token you are looking for problems that don't exist.  Sanchez, Pantelis, Tsatallios, Downey, Warner have all signed for the money on offer knowing full well what the situation at this club is.  Mehmet and Rigters haven't which even if you ignore the evidence that Mehmet wasn't wanted still leaves a 78% success rate on players we've wanted to sign, what are Arsenal's numbers for successful signings in this window?
 
I know Ipswich Towns is well under 78% and they've signed double the number of players the Phoenix have.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Let me qualify that.  I'm not saying everything is rosey.  The shortage of backroom staff is a major issue, and the coaching situation concerns me but I just don't believe there is any evidence to suggest it has impacted our ability to sign players who genuinely want to play for the Phoenix for a reasonable A-League salary.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankly I'm not inclined to believe anything coming out of the Nix spin machine at this point in time. I believe that TS's financial situation has adversely affected our recruitment and you think otherwise. Interested in what others might think.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What Spin machine?
 
Their media man is the kit man, and they have a marketing manager and an 'acting' CEO.  There is no Phoenix spin machine.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So on what do you base your assertions that Mehmet failed to make a mark and Ritgers turned us down because we didn't offer enough?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mehmet.  People who watched him in four different matches. 
 
Both. Discussions with Wellington football people who know.  This is a very small city, and a tight football community who talk to each other.  It never takes long for facts to get out.  Look at how often players are named on here before they turn up without the club saying a word (Warner, Rigters being just the most recent examples).

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