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"The signing is expected to be Victory's last to complete their squad, effectively ending their pursuit of Melbourne Heart centreback Simon Colosimo".

C'mon Ricki, Strengthen up the back line!

Colosimo, New striker, and an U21!
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See where Newcastle end up at the end of the season as they wish they had a striker

Auckland will rise once more

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Hard News wrote:
hepatitis wrote:
That is quite a speculative take on the situation (unless you know something specifically, which you often do and we find out later)
 
I said earlier it was speculative but we've gone from pretty specific Newsapaper descriptions of the import strikers offered deals, to hints about Ward and the U21 signings.  Not a huge stretch when that has changed since the change of ownership to get a 'feeling' that we're doing it on the cheap.
 
As I said, desperately hope I'm wrong but every sauce that was talking up the strikers has clammed up on the subject as though it was never discussed whereas previously they were talking it up as being the key to the season.
 
That's not a good sign.
 
I have to say I think this is a very strange take on the situation.
 
Firstly, there have been a million rumours about players this off season but the one thing we do know is that under Terry we never had the money to pay the players we had.  You're trying to set up a companrison between the old regime and the new one based on rumour in a newspaper that you yourself have criticised continually for printing stories that lack substance, but you're ignoring the fact that Terry was made bankrupt less than a week ago. 
 
Secondly, you're criticising implicitly (in other posts) the new owners for not going after a marquee player or equivalent to stimulate interest or whatever.  I think it's fairly cheeky to expect guys who have just taken over the club to jump in and spend half a million bucks signing one player when the problems at the club run far deeper than trying to get a big name on the pitch.   Surely that money could be used in a far better and more sustainable way to beef up the off field operation, do some decent marketing, or even to subsidise tickets for the season.  We never had anyone earning even close to that money under Terry when he was throwing money around so surely it's unfair to create that sort of expectation on the 7 muskateers or whatever we call them now.
 
If they are doing it on the cheap that's probably because the club doesn't generate enough money - throwing money at a foreign marquee seems a pretty short sighted approach to me to improving that.
 
We've had decent crowds when the club has been run well and I think we'd be far better off spending money on that rather than enriching some footballer, which could just as easily be a complete failure as you pointed out. 
 
They do have an opportunity to capitalise on the positive feelings around the club but I really don't see chucking money at a big name player as the only way to harness it.
 
It is also surprising to see people who supported letting Terry muddle on for an entire season are now demanding we sign a marquee player.
 
The idea that succesful results leads to an increase in crowds doesn't really seem to hold up anyway.  Apart from outliers like the finals matches our crowds were best in season 1 when we finished last.  It seems to me that the general feeling around the club seems to have more of an effect than the performance of the team.  I agree that there isn't a lot of wow factor around the club at the moment but I'm not certain that any realistic signing would change that. 
james dean2011-10-05 06:04:18

Normo's coming home

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This
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Hard News wrote:
Talking hypotheticals here but...
 
Is it worth gambling $500k on a striker who will score you 15 goals a season enabling you to sell a winning team which will garner more support?  If you sold an extra chunk of merchandise because they have a profile and lead the team you'd need to get 1500-1800 more people in a match which isn't unreasonable when you compare how a Phoenix crowd looks for finals contenders vs not contenders.[/QUOTE]

Delusional. The team is lucky to have new owners. The team has to compete outside its borders via the Australian league to function. Be lucky a team exists at all.

[QUOTE=Jordy]"The signing is expected to be Victory's last to complete their squad, effectively ending their pursuit of Melbourne Heart centreback Simon Colosimo".

C'mon Ricki, Strengthen up the back line!

Colosimo, New striker, and an U21!


Same. Delusion.
denchy22011-10-05 06:56:56
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james dean wrote:
 
Secondly, you're criticising implicitly (in other posts) the new owners for not going after a marquee player or equivalent to stimulate interest or whatever.  I think it's fairly cheeky to expect guys who have just taken over the club to jump in and spend half a million bucks signing one player when the problems at the club run far deeper than trying to get a big name on the pitch.   Surely that money could be used in a far better and more sustainable way to beef up the off field operation, do some decent marketing, or even to subsidise tickets for the season.  We never had anyone earning even close to that money under Terry when he was throwing money around so surely it's unfair to create that sort of expectation on the 7 muskateers or whatever we call them now.
 
If they are doing it on the cheap that's probably because the club doesn't generate enough money - throwing money at a foreign marquee seems a pretty short sighted approach to me to improving that.
 
 
I don't entirely disagree with what you are saying BUT:
 
1) The club has a huge hole up front.
2) Ricki has said that hole would be filled by a European striker, and has used words such as "premier league player" and "champions league experience" to describe the options.
3) The club has a huge hole up front.
 
I don't think anybody is realistically suggesting that we bring in Michael Owen on $150,000 per week - but I also think it is entirely reasonable for us to expect that someone will be bought in who will be a first choice forward. 
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You forgot number four and five
 
4) We have a huge hole up front
5) We have a huge hole up front
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Jordy wrote:
"The signing is expected to be Victory's last to complete their squad, effectively ending their pursuit of Melbourne Heart centreback Simon Colosimo".

C'mon Ricki, Strengthen up the back line!

Colosimo, New striker, and an U21!
 
 
GCU fan says we get Colosimo (From the DoomPost tyoe of investigative reporting style)
 
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Don't panic everyone. Everton have no strikers either and its working fine there..........oh, wait a minute.

Its no longer a problem.

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Dom Post, at least the newspaper article wrote:
 
The Phoenix have at least completed their minimum 20-man roster with coach Ricki Herbert telling reporters at yesterday's A-League launch that Kiwi teenager Cameron Lindsay would joing the club from Blackburn Rovers' academy set up.
 
 
Has this been mentioned yet?
 
Edit: Can't find the electronic copy of the same article.
Paulinho2011-10-05 09:51:39
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Paulinho wrote:
Dom Post, at least the newspaper article wrote:
 
The Phoenix have at least completed their minimum 20-man roster with coach Ricki Herbert telling reporters at yesterday's A-League launch that Kiwi teenager Cameron Lindsay would joing the club from Blackburn Rovers' academy set up.
 
 
Has this been mentioned yet?
 
Edit: Can't find the electronic copy of the same article.


Oh ok so thats at least a seemingly official word about lindsay. But where would he fit into the side?

Replacement for Pantelis? Or more of a left back???


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On Wiki it says that we have a player called Adam Dickinson in our squad........speculative do you think?

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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What about Robbo, the top scorer in the Eketahuna Premier League?

Can't find him on Wikipedia though sorry.
E + R + O

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paullt wrote:
On Wiki it says that we have a player called Adam Dickinson in our squad........speculative do you think?


Wiki-vandalism? Adam is still at Auckland City isn't he?

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playwithFire wrote:
Oh ok so thats at least a seemingly official word about lindsay. But where would he fit into the side?

Replacement for Pantelis? Or more of a left back???
Yay!  Some good news.  The Rovers website lists him as a "defender", but notes that he has "featured as a full back, central defender and a central midfielder in his time at the club".  I also seem to recall that he played as more of an attacking midfielder during the 2009 u-17 World Cup. 
 
Looking at his record at Blackburn he seems to have gone backwards a little last year.  After spending his first year with the u-15s he graduated to the "academy" (u-18s, and the step below the reserve squad) in 2009/10 - making 12 appearances (3 as sub).  Then last year he only made four appearances (all as a sub) for the same team.
 
 
Still, I have heard some clued up people say some good things about him as a player (fast, technically gifted).  And it is really good to see some promising New Zealand talent signing for the 'Nix. 
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Hard News wrote:
paullt wrote:
On Wiki it says that we have a player called Adam Dickinson in our squad........speculative do you think?


Wiki-vandalism? Adam is still at Auckland City isn't he?
 
auckland appear to still have him listed as in their squad

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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So would +Lindsay = -Chettleburgh?

Fuck this stupid game

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Pretty much.
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hmm I'm happy to have the lad, but where abouts will he get game time on the field im wondering?

If hes got pace, then great, but it seems odd to have two u21 players who play LB? and the other one is a CB which Lindsay could also cover.


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did Ricki ever actualyl say he was looking at potentially signing Chettleburgh?

Founder

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He and everyone else talked him up and he was training with the squad as recently as last week.
 
Suspect he was locked in and then Lindsay became available so Corey is back to the ASB Premiership (I imagine).

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Corey seems like a real trooper, and I'm disappointed he probably wont be signed.

I would have loved if we had more than 3 u21 players, like if we signed Lindsay, Chettleburgh and Payne. Plus our current two.

Would take us up to the 23 with a striker, but would be good for the team


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Yeah gutted for C-Burgh if that's the case, I reckon he would add something to our squad with his attitude and not only that I think he would make the standard with the regular pro environment training. Good kiwi lad too

Fuck this stupid game

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+1
 
Lindsay should be ok tho

                                                                        COYN    

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Hard News wrote:
Corey is back to the ASB Premiership (I imagine).
TW FTW!

Edit. Oh wait he wouldn't make the cut, what with all those U20s in the squad! TopLeft072011-10-05 13:47:42

Fuck this stupid game

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There is no logic to this signing other than 'he's under 21, a kiwi and was at Blackburn'
 
We have Lochhead, plus Nick the Greek and now we add Cameron Lindsay????
 
Unless Ricki is looking to re-invent Lochhead as a left winger (which is a stoopid idea) then this signing makes no sense.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Apparently he's still a rovers player


http://www.rovers.co.uk/page/AcademyProfiles/0,,10303~1709598,00.html

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Jeff Vader wrote:


Why would Cameron Lindsay come here?
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1: He is not a striker
2: He is at a premier league club - why come here?
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Not much thought goes into the speculation really.


Oh. Awkwardness.
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Jeff Vader wrote:
There is no logic to this signing other than 'he's under 21, a kiwi and was at Blackburn'
 
We have Lochhead, plus Nick the Greek and now we add Cameron Lindsay????
 
Unless Ricki is looking to re-invent Lochhead as a left winger (which is a stoopid idea) then this signing makes no sense.
You're missing the point. Ricki has realised that we've only had one left back every other season, so is trying to make up for it with three this season.
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Wibblebutt wrote:
Re: Cameron LindsayMount Everest: Forbidding, Aloof, Terrifying. The Mountain with the biggest tits!START AGAIN..Some people have been dropping hints suggesting we are trying to sign Cameron, but I don't believe that's correct. Would agree that there's a Blackburn connection but think it refers to a Mr Tim Payne rather than Cameron Lindsay.Remember hearing reports that Ricki was interested in signing him if his trial at Blackburn came to nothing, and as we haven't heard anything I am assuming he has not impressed enough to secure a contract.



Awkwardness again.
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Left Midfield?

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
Left Midfield?
 
Where Bertos or Ifill play?
 
No awkwardness. I just think that this is a dumb signing and am surprised the kid came here.
 
Nick the Greek played left back preseason yes? So we now have 3 at left back not to mention Manny can cover there?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Has the signing actually been confirmed?
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Hard News wrote:
He and everyone else talked him up and he was training with the squad as recently as last week.
 
Suspect he was locked in and then Lindsay became available so Corey is back to the ASB Premiership (I imagine).
am trying to deal with facts here not speculation. I think even you could have been training with the Nix given their player stocks

Founder

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Tegal wrote:
Left Midfield?
 
Where Bertos or Ifill play?
 
No awkwardness. I just think that this is a dumb signing and am surprised the kid came here.
 
Nick the Greek played left back preseason yes? So we now have 3 at left back not to mention Manny can cover there?
 
Yes, but he gives cover in wide midfield (maybe he'll even start?) , where we lost Rojas last season. Plus he is a quality U21 signing, which is always a massive boost.

Allegedly

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abris' scouting reports wrote:
He is versatile; at the Under-17 World Cup, he played just in behind the striker but also filled in at centre back, where he began his career. He also plays wide midfield at Blackburn and his speed and technical ability on the ball is impressive.


(sauce, emphasis added)

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Looking at match reports for the Rovers academy side, it looks like Lindsay has mostly played at CB for them.  It also seems that his last match came for them in November2010 when he came on in that position as a sub and gave away a penalty within five minutes. 
 
EDIT: In his defence, Cameron came on after only 12 minutes, the penalty was missed and he helped the side keep a clean sheet.
Binkley2011-10-05 14:39:44
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