Was - Phoenix Transfer Speculation

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The comments out of Scotland suggest Sanchez has some talent. If we do sign him I hope that Rickie gives him some decent game time to settle into the side. In reality he would need to start in at least the first 4 games to give himself a decent chance of imposing himself on the play.

I hope Rickie doen not go back into his shell over the 1-5 loss and gets all defensive minded. if we end up playing Brown, Muscat and Lia together then I can't see much different happening from last season.

The loss of Rigters is a setback. But remember as people have said we have a fit Ifill and Leo now plus Pantelis is a very experianced and talented A-league performer. If we find a decent enough striker then we can consider this seasons recruiting succesful.

Still think the Rigters thing is odd. Maybe pretrial his agent said "my boy wants $200,000" the Nix said "yep, no problem". Turns out we were talking about per annum and they were thinking per month. But FFS everyone knows what Rigter would have been on at Blackburn.....and anyone can find out A-League wages. They are light years apart!!!

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I think he had some air miles that he had to use up quickly.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Let's be clear guys - we didn't lose Ritgers. We really shouldn't get that upset about a player who never signed for us.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I am very worried about this season now. Missed out on Rigters due to money (seem to recall "money is no issue" being stated by Ricki not so long ago), Mehmet has gone home after not being given much of a chance at all when his history suggests he's definitely good enough at this level, and we're stuck with Sanchez only now. I hope he comes good but I'm not convinced by him or any of the signings so far.

We might say this team did well 2 years ago but McKain was a VERY important part of that, as were Reddy and Dadi coming in late among others who are no longer there. Anyone who thinks our current squad is capable of achieving that level of performance is kidding themselves IMO.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Just about everything I've read about Sanchez (not a huge amount admittedly) refers to him as a striker, so I'm a bit confused about what role Ricki has planned for him. Seems to be a sort of attacking mid/playmaker role. Now obviously he has a clear reason for this but it does seem strange. It's not necessarily that easy for a player to step from one role into another.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hang on Steve-O there is a difference between money is no issue and someone who's priced himself out of the SPL market, let alone the A-League.

A more accurate statement would be Money is no issue within reasonable value for an A-League player and that player's worth.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

what Hard News said.

And McKain had mostly horrrible games IMO.

Anyway, we do need to sign a bit of quality fast

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

anyone got any inside word on what the difference between what we were offering and what he wanted?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

doubt we woud be able to find out how much he wanted.

Bet it was rediculous though, hence the short negotiations. Maybe the agent thought that because the club had a marquee spot, we were going to be willing to pay him crazy wages like I assume MLS does?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Xcellent wrote:

playwithFire wrote:

just signing sanchez is a wee bit dissapointing, but we have to look up.

Rigters was quality, but who knows if he would have even fit into our system at all.
We may end up finding another striker to do the duty, there are loads of guys out there, so its just a matter of the club doing some digging, and also getting guys like ifill, greeny, warner or even sanchez to ring up some mates and see who is keen.

Ring up some mates and see who's keen?
Sounds like the type of solution that would be posed to an aging masters football team, not a professional football club! But maybe the nix are getting that desperate

I dont have a problem with the older ex overseas pros using their contacts in the UK etc to help out the recruitment drive. The financial belts have tightened over there and there are quite a few free agents who'd do a good job in this league.

It doesn't have to be a 30-something looking for a last paycheck, it could be that kid from the academy who got cut from his current club and is in his 20s looking for a new challenge...

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Agreed from what i heard the deal we offered was performance based, which given his injury history was smart, if he didn't want to sign fair enough - next please.

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PROAK wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Agreed from what i heard the deal we offered was performance based, which given his injury history was smart, if he didn't want to sign fair enough - next please.

And thatis good to hear. The days of big money for foreign players to sit around injured in the A-League seem to have gone and that is a good thing. The only problem is that it's likely that there is easier money on offer elsewhere, and that there needs to be a potential upside for the player if they are really successful, but the salary cap makes that difficult

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

According to this article Rigters was probably on around GBP 20,000 - 30,000 a week at Blackburn, give or take bonuses.

And according to this article Billy Mehmet was on GPB 2,000 a week at St Mirren (which is more like a Phoenix kind of wage), and GBP 10,000 a week at Genclerbirligi (bear in mind that they couldn't actually afford this in the end).

I think Rigters might be having trouble adjusting to what his current worth in the market actually is.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

The days of big money for foreign players to sit around injured in the A-League seem to have gone and that is a good thing.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'm confused as to why people think we are running out of time... does the season not start in October (checks calendar, checks and yes it is still August)??

Don't see why people are all worried about the season, because we didn't sign a chubby Dutch fella who wanted too much money. There are so many decent players out there looking for a contract, who knows might turn up next week. No point getting all doom and gloom about something that doesn't even start for another 40-odd days. But hey, why not get negative?

And why is Sanchez the next Toto. Obviously I haven't watched him as much as Valeo must have to make that kind of comment, but the two preseason games I watched here in Wellington he looked nothing of the sort.

Paulinho2011-08-25 08:57:07

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terminator_x wrote:

According to this article Rigters was probably on around GBP 20,000 - 30,000 a week at Blackburn, give or take bonuses.

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I think Rigters might be having trouble adjusting to what his current worth in the market actually is.

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I wonder what Emerton was getting at Blackburn? I bet it was a lot more than he is getting at Sydney.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

he is no where near a toto. I said hed be closer to a diego, but he looks like once hes given a shot, he could make his mark in this side.

I think the overall negativity is that it feels like the club were just wrapping up all the sgnings, but now its almost back to the drawing board. Lets just hope RH & co do have some reliable contacts bringing in trialists. Hopefully weve got some lads here on monday

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Paulinho wrote:

Valeo hasn't seen him. He just slags off all prospects/signings.

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Paulinho wrote:

I'm confused as to why people think we are running out of time... does the season not start in October (checks calendar, checks and yes it is still August)??

The season kicks off in 5 weeks. Most Capital 1 teams have a longer preseason than that.

So, while I agree it's not panic stations time yet, we do need to spin our wheels a bit.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

On a positive note, at least the foreign players we're looking at speak English this time (Sanchez, Rigters et al over Daniel, George, Cleberson et al).

Its no longer a problem.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Paulinho wrote:

I'm confused as to why people think we are running out of time... does the season not start in October (checks calendar, checks and yes it is still August)??

The season kicks off in 5 weeks. Most Capital 1 teams have a longer preseason than that.

So, while I agree it's not panic stations time yet, we do need to spin our wheels a bit.

True, but 16 players have already been training together... plus Dani of course, who's been here for a couple of months already. Add in Bran and Chettleburgh or whoever and we could have 19 out of 20 players that have been training for a good chunk of time before now. In Europe 5 weeks IS the preseason.

I hope the one quality striker that will come in will be good enough to make an impact in less time, even without weeks and weeks of running around Newtown Park. I mean if Dadi and Ward managed it then surely any player of reasonable quality can.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

And McKain had mostly horrrible games IMO.

McKain was easily the best CB Phoenix has ever had.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

Bet it was rediculous though, hence the short negotiations. Maybe the agent thought that because the club had a marquee spot, we were going to be willing to pay him crazy wages like I assume MLS does?

Remember that rumour, clearly started by the agent, that Ritgers had already been signed as marquee for $400,000? Perhaps that was the agent's opening bid.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If Sanchez and Bran (?) are gonna sign, I for one welcome him and wish to see them play.

Seems as though there are plenty of other strike options available to us according to Ricki, so Rigters can take his overpriced ass out of here and go warm the bench for some team in Europe.Azevo2011-08-25 11:03:32

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

And McKain had mostly horrrible games IMO.

McKain was easily the best CB Phoenix has ever had.

I would argue that Durante is the best CB we have ever had. Durante is class and would walk into any other a-league team

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

And McKain had mostly horrrible games IMO.

McKain was easily the best CB Phoenix has ever had.

I would argue that Durante is the best CB that we have ever had. Durante is class and would WALK into any other a-league team.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

so he played midfield

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

OK so we've lucked out with Rigters.. time to move on.

Couldn't do too bad with this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%A9sor_Kandol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eZT2CneWSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TClc4FmgBuA

Fairly good pedigree but has been playing for clubs you would think we may be able to match wage demands with. Was linked to Plymouth Argyle but never showed up to the meeting with them!

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You do know that Sanchez trialled with Partick Thistle in 2009 and we didn't want him. Just saying!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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Wibblebutt wrote:

OK so we've lucked out with Rigters.. time to move on.Couldn't do too bad with this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%A9sor_Kandol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eZT2CneWSQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TClc4FmgBuAFairly good pedigree but has been playing for clubs you would think we may be able to match wage demands with. Was linked to Plymouth Argyle but never showed up to the meeting with them!

The League has always needed somersaults!

Also, the lad looks good in the air and pretty slippery. Wonder if hes still got it.

I wouldnt wanna play for Plymouth eitherplaywithFire2011-08-25 12:07:04

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

The League has always needed somersaults!

Exactly what I was thinking!

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

so after a week for promising news, we've sign sanchez, missed out on ritgers, any news on bran? or chettleburg?

so the team make up is still missing a striker? do we need to fill anyother spots? I personally wouldnt mind signing a CM to replace Lia in our starting line up, as much as i love the guy i think hes peaked and the leagues CM are getting better, much better passers and there vision dominates his hard tackle approach.

but I am a lazy ass, whose just been on my 1st run of the year and that maybe the lack of oxygen going to my head talking....

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Nz Seb wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

And McKain had mostly horrrible games IMO.

McKain was easily the best CB Phoenix has ever had.

I would argue that Durante is the best CB we have ever had. Durante is class and would walk into any other a-league team

do I smell....poll?

obviously forgetting Karl Dodd, Karate King!
martinb2011-08-25 13:47:41

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foolish182 wrote:

I personally wouldnt mind signing a CM to replace Lia in our starting line up, as much as i love the guy i think hes peaked and the leagues CM are getting better, much better passers and there vision dominates his hard tackle approach.

I get more worried about Brown than Lia tbh. Last season I recall Lia being much more involved in the game than Brown.

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

Nz Seb wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

And McKain had mostly horrrible games IMO.

McKain was easily the best CB Phoenix has ever had.

I would argue that Durante is the best CB we have ever had. Durante is class and would walk into any other a-league team

do I smell....poll?

obviously forgetting Karl Dodd, Karate King!

And Cleberson.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Nz Seb wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

And McKain had mostly horrrible games IMO.

McKain was easily the best CB Phoenix has ever had.

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I would argue that Durante is the best CB that we have ever had. Durante is class and wouldï¿½WALK into any other a-league team.

Disagree. McKain made Durante look better than he is in the season they played together, and Durante's performance noticeably dropped last season when McKain wasn't there (when he looked like Durante from his first season with us, rather than the second).

Durante is a good defender at A-league level, but McKain is simply a better player overall.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Nz Seb wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

And McKain had mostly horrrible games IMO.

McKain was easily the best CB Phoenix has ever had.

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I would argue that Durante is the best CB that we have ever had. Durante is class and wouldï¿½WALK into any other a-league team.

Agree 100%

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Azevo wrote:

foolish182 wrote:

I get more worried about Brown than Lia tbh. Last season I recall Lia being much more involved in the game than Brown.

brown is a big worry..with the other teams upping the skill level in their midfield, we cant afford Tim to keep going missing...or for Leo to have indifferent days

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

For what its worth I watched Rigters in Dunedin and while he scored a goal he was otherwise pretty slow getting around compared to the Brisbane backs and didn't seem slippery enough to make up for it. Our passing game (or lack of it) wouldn't help compensate for that either. On the field on that day I thought Ifill looked much better for speed and threat overall.

The search continues.....

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

foolish182 wrote:

so after a week for promising news, we've sign sanchez, missed out on ritgers, any news on bran? or chettleburg?so the team make up is still missing a striker? do we need to fill anyother spots? I personally wouldnt mind signing a CM to replace Lia in our starting line up, as much as i love the guy i think hes peaked and the leagues CM are getting better, much better passers and there vision dominates his hard tackle approach.but I am a lazy ass, whose just been on my 1st run of the year and that maybe the lack of oxygen going to my head talking....

This does not make me happy AT ALL!!!!

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