didnt realise it was $42/50 walk up, it's definately cheaper to buy pre-game. Ticketek has never been helpful to the nix though
Not sure why they need to charge more when paying on the day. Also think there will be a few of the casual people who have chosen to buy World Cup tickets over attending a Phoenix game. The Phoenix knew they would have to work really hard to get the fans back after the Covid break would have thought that would mean they would have been easy with ticket prices instead of trying to get as much as they can from a few.
This is what I don't get. I understand they need to make as much as they can after the "lost years", but can't imagine it's helping given the majority of people's financial situation. Every one is hurting, but given how nice the weather has been, i'd usually expect a few to have been persuaded and then potentially turned off by the price of it. People are already out of the habit of going to watch the nix, need to make it as enticing as possible to get them back.
I suspect the idea is you get a discount for buying earlier so you lock it in before the day.
Then if you're being lazy on the day, or the weather is a bit sketchy, if you have got the tix you're more likely to go. If you can just wait till GameDay then anything that may give you a reason to not go has a bit more weight to it since you haven't made that financial commitment.
didnt realise it was $42/50 walk up, it's definately cheaper to buy pre-game. Ticketek has never been helpful to the nix though
Not sure why they need to charge more when paying on the day. Also think there will be a few of the casual people who have chosen to buy World Cup tickets over attending a Phoenix game. The Phoenix knew they would have to work really hard to get the fans back after the Covid break would have thought that would mean they would have been easy with ticket prices instead of trying to get as much as they can from a few.
It’s been hard business in the last few years, and sadly team is not performing at the top level as we all hoped, it’s mediocre after 5 games. Getting three goals after 2 nil lead in the last 30min won’t bring any new fans for sure. The team has to earn fans money. My fear is that we miss again those three points to make the playoffs. theprof
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theprof
didnt realise it was $42/50 walk up, it's definately cheaper to buy pre-game. Ticketek has never been helpful to the nix though
Not sure why they need to charge more when paying on the day. Also think there will be a few of the casual people who have chosen to buy World Cup tickets over attending a Phoenix game. The Phoenix knew they would have to work really hard to get the fans back after the Covid break would have thought that would mean they would have been easy with ticket prices instead of trying to get as much as they can from a few.
In the first half of the game, I thought there is no way Rufer will get back into the team with all the sleek passing. After the game I thought Rufer would be exact the guy I like to see bullying the snakes out of the game.
It is so hard to get past the terrible ending and result. It is hard to remember that we absolutely dominated the first hour, played nice football, created chances and scored twice. It wasn't all bad.
It is so hard to get past the terrible ending and result. It is hard to remember that we absolutely dominated the first hour, played nice football, created chances and scored twice. It wasn't all bad.
And Zawada got off the mark. So far not the goal machine import striker we need alongside Waine, Kosta or Ball, but he's had some nice touches and used his strength well against defenders, which yesterday helped earn us that penalty.
I was pretty annoyed Zawada didn't take the penalty, think him or Kraev should be put on penalty duty instead of Kosta for future games.
It is so hard to get past the terrible ending and result. It is hard to remember that we absolutely dominated the first hour, played nice football, created chances and scored twice. It wasn't all bad.
And Zawada got off the mark. So far not the goal machine import striker we need alongside Waine, Kosta or Ball, but he's had some nice touches and used his strength well against defenders, which yesterday helped earn us that penalty.
I was pretty annoyed Zawada didn't take the penalty, think him or Kraev should be put on penalty duty instead of Kosta for future games.
I can only remember Kosta missing pens. Wasn't surprised at all when he missed.
It is so hard to get past the terrible ending and result. It is hard to remember that we absolutely dominated the first hour, played nice football, created chances and scored twice. It wasn't all bad.
And Zawada got off the mark. So far not the goal machine import striker we need alongside Waine, Kosta or Ball, but he's had some nice touches and used his strength well against defenders, which yesterday helped earn us that penalty.
I was pretty annoyed Zawada didn't take the penalty, think him or Kraev should be put on penalty duty instead of Kosta for future games.
I can only remember Kosta missing pens. Wasn't surprised at all when he missed.
It just totally blows my mind that he was on pens. It's clear from watching any game of Kosta from his shots he's not a natural finisher and doesn't get much power or even curl on his shots. Lewis, Zawanda, and Kraev would all be better options.
In the 10 competitive games that Pennington was the sole DM last season, when we had the lead, we held it. 100% of the time. To get 18 points from 10 games. Does anyone really think that we could get 18 points from 10 games with the current partnership? given even unlimited attempts.
For me, the 5,200 crowd was more disappointing than the result..
Whatever the reasons for the poor crowd, there can be no criticism now of the club taking some games to Auckland. Recent games at Eden Park have been 2-4x that crowd size.
The team would have to be bottom of the ladder playing shark & a bad weather day, to get less than even 10,000.
The Ed Sheeran concert means at least one game has to be away from the ROF anyways.
For me, the 5,200 crowd was more disappointing than the result..
Whatever the reasons for the poor crowd, there can be no criticism now of the club taking some games to Auckland. Recent games at Eden Park have been 2-4x that crowd size.
The team would have to be bottom of the ladder playing shark & a bad weather day, to get less than even 10,000.
The Ed Sheeran concert means at least one game has to be away from the ROF anyways.
I can and I will criticize it because they are the Wellington Phoenix not the New Zealand Phoenix. Should Brisbane start playing games in Sydney just because their crowds suck?
It is so hard to get past the terrible ending and result. It is hard to remember that we absolutely dominated the first hour, played nice football, created chances and scored twice. It wasn't all bad.
And Zawada got off the mark. So far not the goal machine import striker we need alongside Waine, Kosta or Ball, but he's had some nice touches and used his strength well against defenders, which yesterday helped earn us that penalty.
I was pretty annoyed Zawada didn't take the penalty, think him or Kraev should be put on penalty duty instead of Kosta for future games.
Zawada has never been a goal-scoring machine. If I could look up his published scoring stats, I am sure The Nix scouts did as well. There must have been many reasons Uffie thought Zawada would be a useful pickup, but being a "goal-scoring machine" could not be the reason. He is less dominant than Kraev, but has decent ball skills and gets into the right places. However, I see nothing in his stats that would make him a better penalty taker than Kosta. It takes a particular personality and skill to be a good penalty taker. As an example Roy Krishna or David Ball are not great pen takers despite being great skillful players. And who would have known that the great AUS player Mile Jedinak converted each of his 14 kicks at international level?
For me, the 5,200 crowd was more disappointing than the result..
Whatever the reasons for the poor crowd, there can be no criticism now of the club taking some games to Auckland. Recent games at Eden Park have been 2-4x that crowd size.
The team would have to be bottom of the ladder playing shark & a bad weather day, to get less than even 10,000.
The Ed Sheeran concert means at least one game has to be away from the ROF anyways.
I can and I will criticize it because they are the Wellington Phoenix not the New Zealand Phoenix. Should Brisbane start playing games in Sydney just because their crowds suck?
Sydney? Obviously not. You're intentionally being daft.
Townsville? Gold Coast? Sunshine Coast? Yes, they should consider it if they need to generate extra revenue.
For me, the 5,200 crowd was more disappointing than the result..
Whatever the reasons for the poor crowd, there can be no criticism now of the club taking some games to Auckland. Recent games at Eden Park have been 2-4x that crowd size.
The team would have to be bottom of the ladder playing shark & a bad weather day, to get less than even 10,000.
The Ed Sheeran concert means at least one game has to be away from the ROF anyways.
I can and I will criticize it because they are the Wellington Phoenix not the New Zealand Phoenix. Should Brisbane start playing games in Sydney just because their crowds suck?
Sydney? Obviously not. You're intentionally being daft.
Townsville? Gold Coast? Sunshine Coast? Yes, they should consider it if they need to generate extra revenue.
For me, the 5,200 crowd was more disappointing than the result..
Whatever the reasons for the poor crowd, there can be no criticism now of the club taking some games to Auckland. Recent games at Eden Park have been 2-4x that crowd size.
The team would have to be bottom of the ladder playing shark & a bad weather day, to get less than even 10,000.
The Ed Sheeran concert means at least one game has to be away from the ROF anyways.
I can and I will criticize it because they are the Wellington Phoenix not the New Zealand Phoenix. Should Brisbane start playing games in Sydney just because their crowds suck?
Sydney? Obviously not. You're intentionally being daft.
Townsville? Gold Coast? Sunshine Coast? Yes, they should consider it if they need to generate extra revenue.
billyspleen75
Monto
coochiee
Ninja
For me, the 5,200 crowd was more disappointing than the result..
Whatever the reasons for the poor crowd, there can be no criticism now of the club taking some games to Auckland. Recent games at Eden Park have been 2-4x that crowd size.
The team would have to be bottom of the ladder playing shark & a bad weather day, to get less than even 10,000.
The Ed Sheeran concert means at least one game has to be away from the ROF anyways.
I can and I will criticize it because they are the Wellington Phoenix not the New Zealand Phoenix. Should Brisbane start playing games in Sydney just because their crowds suck?
Sydney? Obviously not. You're intentionally being daft.
Townsville? Gold Coast? Sunshine Coast? Yes, they should consider it if they need to generate extra revenue.
Sure maybe they could, I don't think it would be right though.
And as for the Nix playing in Auckland it doesn't make much sense given that the two city's are traditionally sporting rivals (Christchurch as well).
If teams can just be moved willy nilly for revenue reasons then they no longer represent that area, americanized sports isn't really somthing to praise.
For me, the 5,200 crowd was more disappointing than the result..
Whatever the reasons for the poor crowd, there can be no criticism now of the club taking some games to Auckland. Recent games at Eden Park have been 2-4x that crowd size.
The team would have to be bottom of the ladder playing shark & a bad weather day, to get less than even 10,000.
The Ed Sheeran concert means at least one game has to be away from the ROF anyways.
I can and I will criticize it because they are the Wellington Phoenix not the New Zealand Phoenix. Should Brisbane start playing games in Sydney just because their crowds suck?
Sydney? Obviously not. You're intentionally being daft.
Townsville? Gold Coast? Sunshine Coast? Yes, they should consider it if they need to generate extra revenue.
billyspleen75
Monto
coochiee
Ninja
For me, the 5,200 crowd was more disappointing than the result..
Whatever the reasons for the poor crowd, there can be no criticism now of the club taking some games to Auckland. Recent games at Eden Park have been 2-4x that crowd size.
The team would have to be bottom of the ladder playing shark & a bad weather day, to get less than even 10,000.
The Ed Sheeran concert means at least one game has to be away from the ROF anyways.
I can and I will criticize it because they are the Wellington Phoenix not the New Zealand Phoenix. Should Brisbane start playing games in Sydney just because their crowds suck?
Sydney? Obviously not. You're intentionally being daft.
Townsville? Gold Coast? Sunshine Coast? Yes, they should consider it if they need to generate extra revenue.
Sure maybe they could, I don't think it would be right though.
And as for the Nix playing in Auckland it doesn't make much sense given that the two city's are traditionally sporting rivals (Christchurch as well).
If teams can just be moved willy nilly for revenue reasons then they no longer represent that area, americanized sports isn't really somthing to praise.
In an ideal world, I don't think Welnix would take games elsewhere, but they are a business (and in pure business terms, not a very strong one) who have had very little revenue since March 2020, whilst adding a whole extra squad's worth of investment and assembling their most expensive squad ever. The easiest way to stop games going elsewhere is to have large crowds in Wellington, as 5,000 simply isn't sufficient. I'd like them to solely play in Wellington (because the more Auckland is starved of a team the likelier someone might create one), but I also don't have to deal with their creditors.
Sporting rivalries also exist because teams play each other, these rivalries can hardly cross over to the A League where an Auckland and Wellington team have never co-existed. The Phoenix are de facto a 'New Zealand' team, simply because there is no professional alternative, and they are the beneficiaries of this (which is probably why they wouldn't ever want a second NZ team). It's reflected as well in the player base, where only three of the senior squad are from Wellington, in the sponsorship revenue, and the television figures.
The league is also inherently "americanized" [sic] in that it is a closed franchise league with a playoff format which gives half the teams a chance. It's also the only way a professional league is sustainable in this market, because there isn't the same support and money that there is in football-dominant markets. In terms of holistic success, of the six teams that have entered since the Phoenix, two no longer exist, two are dangerously close to looking like they could follow suit, one is propped up by a oil-funded football group. Western Sydney, you could argue, are the only one who have done well all around. That being said, the team is itself a relocation of the license of the Auckland-based Knights.
“We’ve tried our best to get corporate sponsorship across the line and to raise dollars through all sorts of channels, so we're not asking too much of fans because we realise that it is tough economically.
“But at the end of the day, it's like, do people value a professional football club? Do they want professional sports in Wellington or not? And if people don't buy the product then I guess they are voting with their feet, right?”
His article in stuff wasn’t overly positive (domey).
Was an interesting read, I certainly get where they are coming from from a revenue perspective. It's tough out there.
I did get the impression that he was blaming wellingtonians a little too much for attendance issues, you can't complain after collapsing like that in the weekend.
Every sport in nz is struggling for fans atm, the Nix are no exception, I'm not really sure what's needed to turn it around. Either way, looking forward to what will hopefully be a great turnout this Sunday.
Thats part of the problem Dome and Welnix in one breathe criticize the fans for not turning up then in the next breathe they call for them to attend. Dont care what he says when compared to Hurricanes prices the Phoenix are expensive. If they think people are going to turn up if they continue to deal up the rubbish we saw on Sunday they are kidding themselves. Sometimes it seems as if the management just dont get football fans
His article in stuff wasn’t overly positive (domey).
Was an interesting read, I certainly get where they are coming from from a revenue perspective. It's tough out there.
I did get the impression that he was blaming wellingtonians a little too much for attendance issues, you can't complain after collapsing like that in the weekend.
Every sport in nz is struggling for fans atm, the Nix are no exception, I'm not really sure what's needed to turn it around. Either way, looking forward to what will hopefully be a great turnout this Sunday.
The fans did not fail to turn up because of the way Phoenix lost on the weekend. They failed to turn up before that. Anyone that didn’t turn because of how they lost can clearly see the future, so I’d like to talk to them about some TAB bets I’d like to place.
Those that didn’t turn up can not complain if the Phoenix take the show on the road for extra revenue. Those that did, I can understand why you feel they should play all home games in Wellington, but they can’t survive if there are only a few thousand of you.
Disclosure. I did not turn up. I’ve only been to 2 this season so far. But it’s 10 hours in a car for me.
I uesd to drive to Auckland to watch the Kingz and the Knights (3.5 hours each way) and could never fathom why Aucklanders did not support pro football in their city more. Now I sometimes drive 7 hours to Welly to watch the Nix, and having been part of the poor turn out of 8000 for the first game, I can't understand why the attandances dropped from 7 to 6 to 5000 this season. We have a pretty jolly good team, a good coach, play some decent football, have young kiwis excelling...
I uesd to drive to Auckland to watch the Kingz and the Knights (3.5 hours each way) and could never fathom why Aucklanders did not support pro football in their city more. Now I sometimes drive 7 hours to Welly to watch the Nix, and having been part of the poor turn out of 8000 for the first game, I can't understand why the attandances dropped from 7 to 6 to 5000 this season. We have a pretty jolly good team, a good coach, play some decent football, have young kiwis excelling...
I genuinely think that a big factor is that people are just struggling more financially. If cost of living is going up some luxuries have to be cut. Its a shame but the Nix is a luxury, especially with kids.
Hopefully things can improve after the break though.
4 home games in 6 weeks probably not helping either.
I was thinking about that this morning too, “fair weather” fans aren’t going to be going week in week out, and that’s pretty much what’s happened. I mean, I don’t agree with it, I get it. I’ve had to pick and choose my games so far this season. Just can’t justify it at the moment. I’m not sure what the answer is. Give free tickets to every school in wellington?
Is it 4 or 5 Johnny Warren medals? A Bayern contract for Sarpreet? Though obviously he got there on his on skill. Golden boots too iirc. Plenty of International call ups. We’ve won a lot of games of football.
Think he is referring to winning titles, which is the ultimate aim of all football teams martinb
Is it 4 or 5 Johnny Warren medals? A Bayern contract for Sarpreet? Though obviously he got there on his on skill. Golden boots too iirc. Plenty of International call ups. We’ve won a lot of games of football.
Did you see that ludicrous display by the Phoenix on Sunday? What was Talay thinking sending on Waine that early. The thing about the Phoenix is, they always try to walk it in……. the-it-crowd-s3e2.jpg40.46 KB
you can't balme the kick off time for poor crowds - especially when there are so many other obvios reasons for fewer people turning up - a lack of spare cash is one. The timing of the games is an attempt to be gfamily friendly, they'll have avoided Saturdays as that when most sports are played. The club wwould have demanded this period of home games at a decent time for us - and the league kinda had to give it to us given the lack of home games over the last two years. Non-fans arent coming cos it cost $60+ for a family to get in, plus parking $10 in the city $35 at the stadium. Add food etc to that and it's not a cheap excercise for an afternoon outing.
I can blame it, because I'm struggling to get to the games because of it. Admittedly it's a sample of one.
But, town was packed on Sunday night, so a lot of people would have been watching the fight and people would have been in Auckland for the rugby.
Ryan
theprof
you can't balme the kick off time for poor crowds - especially when there are so many other obvios reasons for fewer people turning up - a lack of spare cash is one. The timing of the games is an attempt to be gfamily friendly, they'll have avoided Saturdays as that when most sports are played. The club wwould have demanded this period of home games at a decent time for us - and the league kinda had to give it to us given the lack of home games over the last two years. Non-fans arent coming cos it cost $60+ for a family to get in, plus parking $10 in the city $35 at the stadium. Add food etc to that and it's not a cheap excercise for an afternoon outing.
I can blame it, because I'm struggling to get to the games because of it. Admittedly it's a sample of one.
But, town was packed on Sunday night, so a lot of people would have been watching the fight and people would have been in Auckland for the rugby.
$80 for a family ticket, 2 adults, 2 kids. extra kids are $19.00
I have no problem with the Dome interview, they don’t make money with the club, crowd numbers are not as expected and they raised the ticket prices to get something out of it. I don’t know the financial situation of the casual fan, they may not really affected by the current economic climate, maybe they are in the exact group. They should just talk less about money. The hardcore fans get triggered and the casual fans don’t care. Sadly, we missed a big chance to create a football hype by not qualifying for the world cup in part by an not as good coach, remember the NZ Football report? Imagine the difference in support if some Nix players would go the WC? We would have 10k every week!
I did some research of the fixtures in December and what prices the tickets are going for...Screenshot_20221115_204028.jpg234.23 KB Sydney's brand spanking new stadium still has cheaper deceny seats than the Cake Tin. Sure, it's a massive city, but come on. I suspect because it was the NZ ticket website that was in NZD but still, Brisbane playing in Redcliffe offer $25, Jets $22.
I have no problem with the Dome interview, they don’t make money with the club, crowd numbers are not as expected and they raised the ticket prices to get something out of it. I don’t know the financial situation of the casual fan, they may not really affected by the current economic climate, maybe they are in the exact group. They should just talk less about money. The hardcore fans get triggered and the casual fans don’t care. Sadly, we missed a big chance to create a football hype by not qualifying for the world cup in part by an not as good coach, remember the NZ Football report? Imagine the difference in support if some Nix players would go the WC? We would have 10k every week!
Don't agree with everything you say, but you are dead right AWs making Qatar would add a huge amount of football hype/good will out there, and see bigger Nix crowds.
Only player I saw being interviewed by the various Aus networks here, pre the sold out Sydney derby was man of the moment Andrew Redmayne, aka The Grey Wiggle.
Really not sure there is much more Welnix/Dome can do to get bigger crowds. And yes the cost of living crisis is a very real thing. But one issue they should be all over is making sure folks can book online, safe & fast with Ticketek. Having fans try and then give up, only to pay $42.50 at the gate is just stupid bad unnecessary publicity. Get that fixed pronto Domey.
Think he is referring to winning titles, which is the ultimate aim of all football teams martinb
Is it 4 or 5 Johnny Warren medals? A Bayern contract for Sarpreet? Though obviously he got there on his on skill. Golden boots too iirc. Plenty of International call ups. We’ve won a lot of games of football.
Think he is referring to winning titles, which is the ultimate aim of all football teams martinb
Is it 4 or 5 Johnny Warren medals? A Bayern contract for Sarpreet? Though obviously he got there on his on skill. Golden boots too iirc. Plenty of International call ups. We’ve won a lot of games of football.
It's a real shame, we've got the best squad in the league.
I did some research of the fixtures in December and what prices the tickets are going for...Screenshot_20221115_204028.jpg234.23 KB Sydney's brand spanking new stadium still has cheaper deceny seats than the Cake Tin. Sure, it's a massive city, but come on. I suspect because it was the NZ ticket website that was in NZD but still, Brisbane playing in Redcliffe offer $25, Jets $22.
looks like our prices are on par with everyone else, and theirs are in Aussie $$, convert that $AU30 ticcket to NZD and shock horror its $32 on the wings or almost $50nzd if you buy on the day. It's always been the same, buy a ticket at the stadium on game daty and you'll pay more, buy a season pass and each game is cheaper, buy a single ticket the week of the game and its cheaper. Unfortunately the "casual" fan wont buy ahead of time becuase it might rain.
