I did some research of the fixtures in December and what prices the tickets are going for...Screenshot_20221115_204028.jpg234.23 KB Sydney's brand spanking new stadium still has cheaper deceny seats than the Cake Tin. Sure, it's a massive city, but come on. I suspect because it was the NZ ticket website that was in NZD but still, Brisbane playing in Redcliffe offer $25, Jets $22.Â
looks like our prices are on par with everyone else, and theirs are in Aussie $$, convert that $AU30 ticcket to NZD and shock horror its $32 on the wings or almost $50nzd if you buy on the day. It's always been the same, buy a ticket at the stadium on game daty and you'll pay more, buy a season pass and each game is cheaper, buy a single ticket the week of the game and its cheaper. Unfortunately the "casual" fan wont buy ahead of time becuase it might rain.
So surely if it was the same price on the day of the game more casual fans might show up? Or maybe I'm missing somthing.
I also just wonder if breaking past the $30 barrier might be one of those weird things that people see and get put off by. Perhaps $29.99 might visually look better to the casual customer?Â
Not so sure comparing prices with Aussie is that relevant their. wages are much better than ours for a start. Not sure why Dome and others keep banging on about 10k yes i get they need that to break even,but when in our history have we ever consistently had 10k at games. Yes at the odd match or special occasions but certainly never on a consistent basis even when we have been on a good run. They seem to have this idea that just because they put on a game people should be turning up. Sadly over the years the work put in by the Phoenix to entice people can be best described as spasmodic and often lacking in quality. Kiwi fans of most sports have shown over the years they will attend games where teams are winning or good to watch sport and one 4-1 win just dosnt do it for the casual. Dome and Welnixs seemingly continual crack at fans just pisses of those who go regularly and its like water off a ducks back to the casuals. Sometimes they act like they just dont get it with some of their decisions.
Think he is referring to winning titles, which is the ultimate aim of all football teams martinb
Is it 4 or 5 Johnny Warren medals? A Bayern contract for Sarpreet? Though obviously he got there on his on skill. Golden boots too iirc. Plenty of International call ups. Weâve won a lot of games of football.Â
Not so sure comparing prices with Aussie is that relevant their. wages are much better than ours for a start. Not sure why Dome and others keep banging on about 10k yes i get they need that to break even,but when in our history have we ever consistently had 10k at games. Yes at the odd match or special occasions but certainly never on a consistent basis even when we have been on a good run. They seem to have this idea that just because they put on a game people should be turning up. Sadly over the years the work put in by the Phoenix to entice people can be best described as spasmodic and often lacking in quality. Kiwi fans of most sports have shown over the years they will attend games where teams are winning or good to watch sport and one 4-1 win just dosnt do it for the casual. Dome and Welnixs seemingly continual crack at fans just pisses of those who regularly is like water off a ducks back to the casuals. Sometimes they act like they just dont get it with some of their decisions.
10k at the game has always been discussed from day 1 as the break even point. nothing has changed form what I can tell. As for lowering ticket prices = higher attendances, Dome answered that is his responses, the club has done it before and it doesnt result in higher attendances. As far as cost on the day beign higher, I'm pretty sure that's out of the clubs control, Ticketek set the additional costs for on the day purtchase as it's their staff etc.
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Zawada said in an interview that he was worn out. He has never played the style that Ufuk wants him to play before, normally being a lone target man, and, being a big guy, is still getting his fitness to the right level.
I've seen a lot of comments on other social media platforms about how Ufuk made a mistake by substituting a team that was winning, but, my opinion is Ufuk made a mistake by not making more subs. We worked hard and were tired at the end.
Not so sure comparing prices with Aussie is that relevant their. wages are much better than ours for a start. Not sure why Dome and others keep banging on about 10k yes i get they need that to break even,but when in our history have we ever consistently had 10k at games. Yes at the odd match or special occasions but certainly never on a consistent basis even when we have been on a good run. They seem to have this idea that just because they put on a game people should be turning up. Sadly over the years the work put in by the Phoenix to entice people can be best described as spasmodic and often lacking in quality. Kiwi fans of most sports have shown over the years they will attend games where teams are winning or good to watch sport and one 4-1 win just dosnt do it for the casual. Dome and Welnixs seemingly continual crack at fans just pisses of those who regularly is like water off a ducks back to the casuals. Sometimes they act like they just dont get it with some of their decisions.
10k at the game has always been discussed from day 1 as the break even point. nothing has changed form what I can tell. As for lowering ticket prices = higher attendances, Dome answered that is his responses, the club has done it before and it doesnt result in higher attendances. As far as cost on the day beign higher, I'm pretty sure that's out of the clubs control, Ticketek set the additional costs for on the day purtchase as it's their staff etc.
Yes understand that but nothing since our inception has indicated that is a realistic expectation. Yes we have got there on the odd occasion when all the stars have aligned but NEVER on a consistent basis. Its been shown that even when things arnt going our way between 5&6k seems to be our core support base. Just wish they would stop with continual bashing of Wellingtonians for not turning up and throwing that 10k figure out that is just a big piss off to the casuals. Its not the fans fault they play in a stadium that needs 10k to break even. Gets me with the lowering of ticket prices they keep giving excuses for not doing it, i cant seem to recall a concerted campaign with lower prices. There always seems to be sharkloads of freebies floating around and in previous seasons they would be offering $10 tickets after the game. Just seems like they try something for a short time and if there isnt an immediate response its canned.
Not so sure comparing prices with Aussie is that relevant their. wages are much better than ours for a start. Not sure why Dome and others keep banging on about 10k yes i get they need that to break even,but when in our history have we ever consistently had 10k at games. Yes at the odd match or special occasions but certainly never on a consistent basis even when we have been on a good run. They seem to have this idea that just because they put on a game people should be turning up. Sadly over the years the work put in by the Phoenix to entice people can be best described as spasmodic and often lacking in quality. Kiwi fans of most sports have shown over the years they will attend games where teams are winning or good to watch sport and one 4-1 win just dosnt do it for the casual. Dome and Welnixs seemingly continual crack at fans just pisses of those who regularly is like water off a ducks back to the casuals. Sometimes they act like they just dont get it with some of their decisions.
10k at the game has always been discussed from day 1 as the break even point. nothing has changed form what I can tell. As for lowering ticket prices = higher attendances, Dome answered that is his responses, the club has done it before and it doesnt result in higher attendances. As far as cost on the day beign higher, I'm pretty sure that's out of the clubs control, Ticketek set the additional costs for on the day purtchase as it's their staff etc.
Yes understand that but nothing since our inception has indicated that is a realistic expectation. Yes we have got there on the odd occasion when all the stars have aligned but NEVER on a consistent basis. Its been shown that even when things arnt going our way between 5&6k seems to be our core support base. Just wish they would stop with continual bashing of Wellingtonians for not turning up and throwing that 10k figure out that is just a big piss off to the casuals. Its not the fans fault they play in a stadium that needs 10k to break even. Gets me with the lowering of ticket prices they keep giving excuses for not doing it, i cant seem to recall a concerted campaign with lower prices. There always seems to be sharkloads of freebies floating around and in previous seasons they would be offering $10 tickets after the game. Just seems like they try something for a short time and if there isnt an immediate response its canned.
I know the cost is likely prohibitive without govt support or a wealthy investor but man, build something like HJK Helsinkiâs stadium or one of the modular Bear stadiums and weâd never have to worry about attendance figures again.
I did some research of the fixtures in December and what prices the tickets are going for...Screenshot_20221115_204028.jpg234.23 KB Sydney's brand spanking new stadium still has cheaper deceny seats than the Cake Tin. Sure, it's a massive city, but come on. I suspect because it was the NZ ticket website that was in NZD but still, Brisbane playing in Redcliffe offer $25, Jets $22.Â
looks like our prices are on par with everyone else, and theirs are in Aussie $$, convert that $AU30 ticcket to NZD and shock horror its $32 on the wings or almost $50nzd if you buy on the day. It's always been the same, buy a ticket at the stadium on game daty and you'll pay more, buy a season pass and each game is cheaper, buy a single ticket the week of the game and its cheaper. Unfortunately the "casual" fan wont buy ahead of time becuase it might rain.
They may be on par with the Aussie prices, but for a team, city and population like Wellington's where football is not the most important sport, Welnix may have to suck it up and get closer to the CCM/Jets/Brisbane prices đ¤ˇââď¸
Obviously the priority should be the performance on the pitch, which may then justify the NZ$32 y'all are currently paying, but until then, these questions will keep getting asked.
So we get the club is grappling with fan engagement/numbers. But as a group of hardcore fans, what are we doing to get more people along? (And I donât just mean the yellow fever as an org, I mean posters on here in general). No to dig at it, but using it as an comparison of effort - what if we spent the same time/effort on encouraging others to get to games as we do at comparing te ticket prices across the league. I suppose Iâm saying that we can jump on here and bitch and moan or we can jump on here bitch, moan and then do something about it.Â
Not so sure comparing prices with Aussie is that relevant their. wages are much better than ours for a start. Not sure why Dome and others keep banging on about 10k yes i get they need that to break even,but when in our history have we ever consistently had 10k at games. Yes at the odd match or special occasions but certainly never on a consistent basis even when we have been on a good run. They seem to have this idea that just because they put on a game people should be turning up. Sadly over the years the work put in by the Phoenix to entice people can be best described as spasmodic and often lacking in quality. Kiwi fans of most sports have shown over the years they will attend games where teams are winning or good to watch sport and one 4-1 win just dosnt do it for the casual. Dome and Welnixs seemingly continual crack at fans just pisses of those who regularly is like water off a ducks back to the casuals. Sometimes they act like they just dont get it with some of their decisions.
10k at the game has always been discussed from day 1 as the break even point. nothing has changed form what I can tell. As for lowering ticket prices = higher attendances, Dome answered that is his responses, the club has done it before and it doesnt result in higher attendances. As far as cost on the day beign higher, I'm pretty sure that's out of the clubs control, Ticketek set the additional costs for on the day purtchase as it's their staff etc.
Yes understand that but nothing since our inception has indicated that is a realistic expectation. Yes we have got there on the odd occasion when all the stars have aligned but NEVER on a consistent basis. Its been shown that even when things arnt going our way between 5&6k seems to be our core support base. Just wish they would stop with continual bashing of Wellingtonians for not turning up and throwing that 10k figure out that is just a big piss off to the casuals. Its not the fans fault they play in a stadium that needs 10k to break even. Gets me with the lowering of ticket prices they keep giving excuses for not doing it, i cant seem to recall a concerted campaign with lower prices. There always seems to be sharkloads of freebies floating around and in previous seasons they would be offering $10 tickets after the game. Just seems like they try something for a short time and if there isnt an immediate response its canned.
I know the cost is likely prohibitive without govt support or a wealthy investor but man, build something like HJK Helsinkiâs stadium or one of the modular Bear stadiums and weâd never have to worry about attendance figures again.
Build a stadium like that though maybe slightly bigger to say 15K capacity. Use that stadium for regular season matches and then if we make it to the finals, use Sky Stadium to attract bigger crowds and ensure we can still have Phoenix games there.
So we get the club is grappling with fan engagement/numbers. But as a group of hardcore fans, what are we doing to get more people along? (And I donât just mean the yellow fever as an org, I mean posters on here in general). No to dig at it, but using it as an comparison of effort - what if we spent the same time/effort on encouraging others to get to games as we do at comparing te ticket prices across the league. I suppose Iâm saying that we can jump on here and bitch and moan or we can jump on here bitch, moan and then do something about it.Â
As much as I love supporting the Nix there's only so much I'll do to promote them. If I have friends that are into football I'll encourage them to come along. It isn't our job however to promote the team for Dome and Co. They want to bitch about numbers, metrics and money that's fine but it's up to them to make their company work. I run a company myself, if I can't make money it's not my clients problem.
So we get the club is grappling with fan engagement/numbers. But as a group of hardcore fans, what are we doing to get more people along? (And I donât just mean the yellow fever as an org, I mean posters on here in general). No to dig at it, but using it as an comparison of effort - what if we spent the same time/effort on encouraging others to get to games as we do at comparing te ticket prices across the league. I suppose Iâm saying that we can jump on here and bitch and moan or we can jump on here bitch, moan and then do something about it.Â
As much as I love supporting the Nix there's only so much I'll do to promote them. If I have friends that are into football I'll encourage them to come along. It isn't our job however to promote the team for Dome and Co. They want to bitch about numbers, metrics and money that's fine but it's up to them to make their company work. I run a company myself, if I can't make money it's not my clients problem.
so what your saying is that you dont want your customers to talk about your company or the good work you do? Word of mouth is the best promtional tool ever. Dome and Co can market all they want but if the $5k that turn up each brough a friend or two we'd hit $10k+ easily.
So we get the club is grappling with fan engagement/numbers. But as a group of hardcore fans, what are we doing to get more people along? (And I donât just mean the yellow fever as an org, I mean posters on here in general). No to dig at it, but using it as an comparison of effort - what if we spent the same time/effort on encouraging others to get to games as we do at comparing te ticket prices across the league. I suppose Iâm saying that we can jump on here and bitch and moan or we can jump on here bitch, moan and then do something about it.Â
I would assume that given the number of years the club has been around, most people here would've already hit up their friends/family about coming along to a game.
In my opinion, the biggest thing the 'hardcore fans' could bring to the club is the match day atmosphere. Singing, chanting, tifos etc. That's the difference in NZ of going to see the Nix vs any other sporting event.Â
Not so sure comparing prices with Aussie is that relevant their. wages are much better than ours for a start. Not sure why Dome and others keep banging on about 10k yes i get they need that to break even,but when in our history have we ever consistently had 10k at games. Yes at the odd match or special occasions but certainly never on a consistent basis even when we have been on a good run. They seem to have this idea that just because they put on a game people should be turning up. Sadly over the years the work put in by the Phoenix to entice people can be best described as spasmodic and often lacking in quality. Kiwi fans of most sports have shown over the years they will attend games where teams are winning or good to watch sport and one 4-1 win just dosnt do it for the casual. Dome and Welnixs seemingly continual crack at fans just pisses of those who go regularly and its like water off a ducks back to the casuals. Sometimes they act like they just dont get it with some of their decisions.
Nix fans (and Wellington region as a whole) owe Welnix, not the other way round.Â
5K is a poor crowd, so no problem Dome having a little emotional vent. His comments were mild, but him & the owners have every reason to be disappointed. They chuck millions into the club annually, Covid was an even tougher 2.5 seasons, and they would be hoping for a strong financial rebound, plus community support. They have gone out (with help of NZF) and setup a Women's team during the Pandemic, which to be brutally honest as yet will just be adding to the red ink.
But yes the cost of living crisis is a real thing, and 4 home games in the first 6 rounds, would have just been too costly for many folks. I'm sure if the Womens Rugby World Cup hadn't been on, they would have taken either the Macarthur or Western U game to Eden Park, to spread their bets.
So we get the club is grappling with fan engagement/numbers. But as a group of hardcore fans, what are we doing to get more people along? (And I donât just mean the yellow fever as an org, I mean posters on here in general). No to dig at it, but using it as an comparison of effort - what if we spent the same time/effort on encouraging others to get to games as we do at comparing te ticket prices across the league. I suppose Iâm saying that we can jump on here and bitch and moan or we can jump on here bitch, moan and then do something about it.Â
As much as I love supporting the Nix there's only so much I'll do to promote them. If I have friends that are into football I'll encourage them to come along. It isn't our job however to promote the team for Dome and Co. They want to bitch about numbers, metrics and money that's fine but it's up to them to make their company work. I run a company myself, if I can't make money it's not my clients problem.
so what your saying is that you dont want your customers to talk about your company or the good work you do? Word of mouth is the best promtional tool ever. Dome and Co can market all they want but if the $5k that turn up each brough a friend or two we'd hit $10k+ easily.
Well yeah of course, but as I already said I do promote the Nix through word of mouth. I'm sure most of us here do too. But if people don't show despite us talking about it there not much else we can do. it's a bit shark but it is what it is.
The best promotion the club could possibly have is win some silverware. That would undoubtedly change most people's perception of the Nix in welly.
So we get the club is grappling with fan engagement/numbers. But as a group of hardcore fans, what are we doing to get more people along? (And I donât just mean the yellow fever as an org, I mean posters on here in general). No to dig at it, but using it as an comparison of effort - what if we spent the same time/effort on encouraging others to get to games as we do at comparing te ticket prices across the league. I suppose Iâm saying that we can jump on here and bitch and moan or we can jump on here bitch, moan and then do something about it.Â
There's only so much I can do from Adelaide other than get a group of my mates into the away bay at Hindmarsh Stadium every year đ
So we get the club is grappling with fan engagement/numbers. But as a group of hardcore fans, what are we doing to get more people along? (And I donât just mean the yellow fever as an org, I mean posters on here in general). No to dig at it, but using it as an comparison of effort - what if we spent the same time/effort on encouraging others to get to games as we do at comparing te ticket prices across the league. I suppose Iâm saying that we can jump on here and bitch and moan or we can jump on here bitch, moan and then do something about it.Â
Personally, as a relative newbie, I tell and encourage anyone that will listen. The problem has always been consistency of the team. Season just before covid hit think I managed to convince 3-4 non regulars to become regulars. That's dropped to 1. I'm certainly trying. Does that qualify me to have a moan ;)
anyone and everyone is entitled to moan and complain, those of us who have been around for the last 15+ years have seen and heard it all before, the only conisitant this is the low level regualrs atendees to anything sports. Variety of reasons are sputed about every time; ticket cost, weather, performaces, food costs, stadium location, game schedules. They all get tweaked and adjusted on occasion but fundamentally nothing really improves. This current iteration strikes aafter 2 years without home games, a global cost of living crisis pon top of the usual apathy that exists.
Main reasons for crap crowds in no particular order: - Cost of living crisis - Ticket prices - Too many games close together - Everyone still thinks the Nix suck - No one knows the games are on
After the Macarthur game I was walking back to Cuba St in my jersey and scarf and had multiple people ask me âIs there a game on tonight or something?â
Club needs to up its marketing game big time, do something to create a match day buzz after so long without any games to look forward to.
Not so sure comparing prices with Aussie is that relevant their. wages are much better than ours for a start. Not sure why Dome and others keep banging on about 10k yes i get they need that to break even,but when in our history have we ever consistently had 10k at games. Yes at the odd match or special occasions but certainly never on a consistent basis even when we have been on a good run. They seem to have this idea that just because they put on a game people should be turning up. Sadly over the years the work put in by the Phoenix to entice people can be best described as spasmodic and often lacking in quality. Kiwi fans of most sports have shown over the years they will attend games where teams are winning or good to watch sport and one 4-1 win just dosnt do it for the casual. Dome and Welnixs seemingly continual crack at fans just pisses of those who go regularly and its like water off a ducks back to the casuals. Sometimes they act like they just dont get it with some of their decisions.
Nix fans (and Wellington region as a whole) owe Welnix, not the other way round.Â
5K is a poor crowd, so no problem Dome having a little emotional vent. His comments were mild, but him & the owners have every reason to be disappointed. They chuck millions into the club annually, Covid was an even tougher 2.5 seasons, and they would be hoping for a strong financial rebound, plus community support. They have gone out (with help of NZF) and setup a Women's team during the Pandemic, which to be brutally honest as yet will just be adding to the red ink.
But yes the cost of living crisis is a real thing, and 4 home games in the first 6 rounds, would have just been too costly for many folks. I'm sure if the Womens Rugby World Cup hadn't been on, they would have taken either the Macarthur or Western U game to Eden Park, to spread their bets.
Yes good points but when in our history have we ever got close to averaging the 10k every week.Sorry dont get why the Wellington region owes them any thing it was their choice to invest in the club.They have made plenty of mistakes along the way because they seemingly struggle to understand the football market. There have been any number of reasons posted why people either arnt turning up or have been turned off by something the club has done. Myself i just dont think it does any good continually bagging those your trying to attract to games. I still think give the fans a winning team that can perform consistently and they will come one 4-1 win dosnt do that
So we get the club is grappling with fan engagement/numbers. But as a group of hardcore fans, what are we doing to get more people along? (And I donât just mean the yellow fever as an org, I mean posters on here in general). No to dig at it, but using it as an comparison of effort - what if we spent the same time/effort on encouraging others to get to games as we do at comparing te ticket prices across the league. I suppose Iâm saying that we can jump on here and bitch and moan or we can jump on here bitch, moan and then do something about it.Â
Not sure what more i can do to be honest im continually wearing a Phoenix top even the day after a day like Sunday and i i engage with everyone who passes a comment to me about it. Im out and about most days and regularly get comments on my number plate and when im at the pool which is 5/6days a week there are always people initiating conversations about the Phoenix due to my tattoo. But i would imagine thats no different from most on here who would be doing to promoting the club. Think people misunderstand the reasons why most fans seem to have a bitch and a moan speaking to people at games it seems to be as much about frustration at what seems like the same mistakes made time after time by the Club/A League/Ticketec/Stadium/Weather etc etc.
Not so sure comparing prices with Aussie is that relevant their. wages are much better than ours for a start. Not sure why Dome and others keep banging on about 10k yes i get they need that to break even,but when in our history have we ever consistently had 10k at games. Yes at the odd match or special occasions but certainly never on a consistent basis even when we have been on a good run. They seem to have this idea that just because they put on a game people should be turning up. Sadly over the years the work put in by the Phoenix to entice people can be best described as spasmodic and often lacking in quality. Kiwi fans of most sports have shown over the years they will attend games where teams are winning or good to watch sport and one 4-1 win just dosnt do it for the casual. Dome and Welnixs seemingly continual crack at fans just pisses of those who go regularly and its like water off a ducks back to the casuals. Sometimes they act like they just dont get it with some of their decisions.
Nix fans (and Wellington region as a whole) owe Welnix, not the other way round.Â
5K is a poor crowd, so no problem Dome having a little emotional vent. His comments were mild, but him & the owners have every reason to be disappointed. They chuck millions into the club annually, Covid was an even tougher 2.5 seasons, and they would be hoping for a strong financial rebound, plus community support. They have gone out (with help of NZF) and setup a Women's team during the Pandemic, which to be brutally honest as yet will just be adding to the red ink.
But yes the cost of living crisis is a real thing, and 4 home games in the first 6 rounds, would have just been too costly for many folks. I'm sure if the Womens Rugby World Cup hadn't been on, they would have taken either the Macarthur or Western U game to Eden Park, to spread their bets.
Yes good points but when in our history have we ever got close to averaging the 10k every week.Sorry dont get why the Wellington region owes them any thing it was their choice to invest in the club.They have made plenty of mistakes along the way because they seemingly struggle to understand the football market. There have been any number of reasons posted why people either arnt turning up or have been turned off by something the club has done. Myself i just dont think it does any good continually bagging those your trying to attract to games. I still think give the fans a winning team that can perform consistently and they will come one 4-1 win dosnt do that
If you don't think the Wellington region owes Welnix something after they stepped up at the last minute to save the club, plus then have continued despite snakes like Gallop trying to end it all - well I just shake my head.
Sure they have made mistakes, and still do. But if you think you could run the club better, contact them with all your ideas as to how you would. Or even better rustle up a few Million dollars, buy them out and appoint yourself as CEO. You may find it isn't the easiest job out there.
Dome made some pretty mild comments. He's not bashing those who turned up. He's just questioning those who didn't. But alot of it would just be emotional knee jerk disappointment, after such a small crowd, especially following such tough financial times the last few years, but with the loyal owners still staying the course.
And it ain't the fault of Dome & Welnix if the team choked on Sunday. Apparently this is the most expensive Nix team ever. So they have helped Uffie assemble the team (within reason) to do well.Â
Not so sure comparing prices with Aussie is that relevant their. wages are much better than ours for a start. Not sure why Dome and others keep banging on about 10k yes i get they need that to break even,but when in our history have we ever consistently had 10k at games. Yes at the odd match or special occasions but certainly never on a consistent basis even when we have been on a good run. They seem to have this idea that just because they put on a game people should be turning up. Sadly over the years the work put in by the Phoenix to entice people can be best described as spasmodic and often lacking in quality. Kiwi fans of most sports have shown over the years they will attend games where teams are winning or good to watch sport and one 4-1 win just dosnt do it for the casual. Dome and Welnixs seemingly continual crack at fans just pisses of those who go regularly and its like water off a ducks back to the casuals. Sometimes they act like they just dont get it with some of their decisions.
Nix fans (and Wellington region as a whole) owe Welnix, not the other way round.Â
5K is a poor crowd, so no problem Dome having a little emotional vent. His comments were mild, but him & the owners have every reason to be disappointed. They chuck millions into the club annually, Covid was an even tougher 2.5 seasons, and they would be hoping for a strong financial rebound, plus community support. They have gone out (with help of NZF) and setup a Women's team during the Pandemic, which to be brutally honest as yet will just be adding to the red ink.
But yes the cost of living crisis is a real thing, and 4 home games in the first 6 rounds, would have just been too costly for many folks. I'm sure if the Womens Rugby World Cup hadn't been on, they would have taken either the Macarthur or Western U game to Eden Park, to spread their bets.
Yes good points but when in our history have we ever got close to averaging the 10k every week.Sorry dont get why the Wellington region owes them any thing it was their choice to invest in the club.They have made plenty of mistakes along the way because they seemingly struggle to understand the football market. There have been any number of reasons posted why people either arnt turning up or have been turned off by something the club has done. Myself i just dont think it does any good continually bagging those your trying to attract to games. I still think give the fans a winning team that can perform consistently and they will come one 4-1 win dosnt do that
If you don't think the Wellington region owes Welnix something after they stepped up at the last minute to save the club, plus then have continued despite snakes like Gallop trying to end it all - well I just shake my head.
Sure they have made mistakes, and still do. But if you think you could run the club better, contact them with all your ideas as to how you would. Or even better rustle up a few Million dollars, buy them out and appoint yourself as CEO. You may find it isn't the easiest job out there.
Dome made some pretty mild comments. He's not bashing those who turned up. He's just questioning those who didn't. But alot of it would just be emotional knee jerk disappointment, after such a small crowd, especially following such tough financial times the last few years, but with the loyal owners still staying the course.
And it ain't the fault of Dome & Welnix if the team choked on Sunday. Apparently this is the most expensive Nix team ever. So they have helped Uffie assemble the team (within reason) to do well.Â
So do those of us who have supported the club since inception, have been members as much as we can and have poured a small fortune into it over the years owe the club something? One could argue that what we got in return was entertainment but let's be honest some years you couldn't even call it that.
Everone here has poured a lot into the club relative to their means, thats pretty awesome. It's a shame that it doesn't come across from Dome that the club respects that even if they do.
I was surprised at the lack of build up for the first game of the season, it was a chance to kickstart the club and re-engage with the city, build on those big one off games, etc. But the season just kind of started without any fanfare and I think a lot of people wouldn't have even known it was happening, even those who came to the one off games.
I know Dome said in the podcast awhile back that the club prioritises spending money on players rather than advertising, the idea being that results is the best form of advertising. But, I remember years ago there used to be Nix billboards, Nix advertisements on busses, even Nix flags along Featherston St. There was a lot more awareness about the Phoenix. People used to talk about the Phoenix at work, now I hear no one talking about them, they're completely out of mind.
Word of mouth builds buzz, but only if it's accompanied by results. Unfortunately the Nix have a reputation for being worse than they are, and a lot of that is because whenever we manage to get a big crowd, when everyone has dragged out their mates, we underperform.
The Nix have very good partners that have very good reach, a bit of a tie in with Mcdonalds or Spark would go a long way in re-building that brand awareness.
Not so sure comparing prices with Aussie is that relevant their. wages are much better than ours for a start. Not sure why Dome and others keep banging on about 10k yes i get they need that to break even,but when in our history have we ever consistently had 10k at games. Yes at the odd match or special occasions but certainly never on a consistent basis even when we have been on a good run. They seem to have this idea that just because they put on a game people should be turning up. Sadly over the years the work put in by the Phoenix to entice people can be best described as spasmodic and often lacking in quality. Kiwi fans of most sports have shown over the years they will attend games where teams are winning or good to watch sport and one 4-1 win just dosnt do it for the casual. Dome and Welnixs seemingly continual crack at fans just pisses of those who go regularly and its like water off a ducks back to the casuals. Sometimes they act like they just dont get it with some of their decisions.
Nix fans (and Wellington region as a whole) owe Welnix, not the other way round.Â
5K is a poor crowd, so no problem Dome having a little emotional vent. His comments were mild, but him & the owners have every reason to be disappointed. They chuck millions into the club annually, Covid was an even tougher 2.5 seasons, and they would be hoping for a strong financial rebound, plus community support. They have gone out (with help of NZF) and setup a Women's team during the Pandemic, which to be brutally honest as yet will just be adding to the red ink.
But yes the cost of living crisis is a real thing, and 4 home games in the first 6 rounds, would have just been too costly for many folks. I'm sure if the Womens Rugby World Cup hadn't been on, they would have taken either the Macarthur or Western U game to Eden Park, to spread their bets.
Yes good points but when in our history have we ever got close to averaging the 10k every week.Sorry dont get why the Wellington region owes them any thing it was their choice to invest in the club.They have made plenty of mistakes along the way because they seemingly struggle to understand the football market. There have been any number of reasons posted why people either arnt turning up or have been turned off by something the club has done. Myself i just dont think it does any good continually bagging those your trying to attract to games. I still think give the fans a winning team that can perform consistently and they will come one 4-1 win dosnt do that
If you don't think the Wellington region owes Welnix something after they stepped up at the last minute to save the club, plus then have continued despite snakes like Gallop trying to end it all - well I just shake my head.
Sure they have made mistakes, and still do. But if you think you could run the club better, contact them with all your ideas as to how you would. Or even better rustle up a few Million dollars, buy them out and appoint yourself as CEO. You may find it isn't the easiest job out there.
Dome made some pretty mild comments. He's not bashing those who turned up. He's just questioning those who didn't. But alot of it would just be emotional knee jerk disappointment, after such a small crowd, especially following such tough financial times the last few years, but with the loyal owners still staying the course.
And it ain't the fault of Dome & Welnix if the team choked on Sunday. Apparently this is the most expensive Nix team ever. So they have helped Uffie assemble the team (within reason) to do well.Â
You can shake your head all you like suggest you go back and take a look at the releases when they first took over. According to them they did it for Wellington and the Region. If supposed smart businessmen think they were ever going to make money or even break even on a sports club in New Zealand i suggest they havnt done proper due diligence. Im taking part in a forum where many others have aired complaints no where have i ever suggested i could run things better. Whats wrong with suggesting they continue to make the same mistakes. Yep they may have been seemingly mild comments from Dome but its a reoccurring theme to have a crack at people for not attending which i dont care what you say puts people off.Â
Will give you an example of just one frustrating experience in dealing with the Phoenix. A while ago they had a scheme where you donated an amount of your choice every time they won. I signed up and took part think for about 3 years till I got that PO with the complete lack of communication. I never received so much as a thank-you for your contribution at the end of a season. I raised the issue a number of times with various people in the organization still nothing. Even raised it with David Dome still nothing. So in the end I just stopped paying into it. Have no idea it may still be going i thought it was a good idea to get people involved just badly handled. That's just one example and people wonder why fans get frustrated when Domey has yet another crack.
Lots of people (well Dome at least) saying the ticket prices are not out of line compared to the aussie clubs. The problem is NZ income doesn't compare well Aussie... yet we are still 5th most expensive.
From stuff article:
"The cheapest adult tickets for Phoenix home matches, both menâs and womenâs, are $32 (AU$29.13) if bought in advance.
That makes them the fifth-most expensive buy in A-League Men, behind Victory at AU$30 ($33), Melbourne City at AU$31.30 ($34.43), Central Coast Mariners at AU$31.95 ($35.145) and Sydney FC at AU$37.35 ($41.09). "
For example Victory is $30AU... so at a glance we look less expensive by about 3%, yet when you compare average salaries of Wellington and Melbourne my quick google search and math converts to about 30% higher average income in Melbourne. I'm assuming the Sydney one would work out similar (I know if I did my job there I'd be on about 50% more).
Also buying in advance for a casual fan seems less likely in Wellington due to weather considerations - more likelyhood of a really shark day, compared to a city such a Perth.
Looks like we could be without a club soon. Pretty worrying comments coming from Dome. Quite rare that a football club will attacks its own fans.
its been said by Dome and others in the ownership team over a number of years, no real indication that the owners are going anywhere, especially not with all the new investment they've just put in.
Looks like we could be without a club soon. Pretty worrying comments coming from Dome. Quite rare that a football club will attacks its own fans.
its been said by Dome and others in the ownership team over a number of years, no real indication that the owners are going anywhere, especially not with all the new investment they've just put in.
Using that new world class training facility will attract more and better players. it really is a world class facility.
Looks like we could be without a club soon. Pretty worrying comments coming from Dome. Quite rare that a football club will attacks its own fans.
its been said by Dome and others in the ownership team over a number of years, no real indication that the owners are going anywhere, especially not with all the new investment they've just put in.
The new facility, a womens team - the Nix will primarily remain a Wellington club.
I'm sure they won't start next season with 4 of their first 6 games in Welly. That's a learning, but tricky this season with rugby games at Eden Park well into November.
But who knows if crowds through this season do stagnate at around 5-6K at the ROF, Welnix may relook at some of those ideas they toyed with pre Covid. Like taking games to Canberra or wherever. The Gong? Any idea that can bring in some cash.
Wasn't a JV with South Melbourne another past proposal ie selling a part stake in the club? But then it turned out SM basically were just after the Nix's A League licence.
I guess any other options like that, will depend alot on whether the APL setup a 2nd division or not.
Agree with all of the above, the 4 home games in the first 6 weeks is obviously tough on the fans pockets, but we all know why we got them, right? The club would have asked for some kind of recognition for the time spent in Aus. Home games early is all we got which is a bit rank. We could have asked for other team to play their home games here like the Warriors. Had we not been going to a cost of living issue right now we'd all be celebrating the 4 home games in a short space of time, and I'd bet the crowds woul;d be higher. Those of us that love footy and the nix will happily sacrifice something else to go see the team - regardless of performance. The rest wont - simple as that.
Looks like we could be without a club soon. Pretty worrying comments coming from Dome. Quite rare that a football club will attacks its own fans.
its been said by Dome and others in the ownership team over a number of years, no real indication that the owners are going anywhere, especially not with all the new investment they've just put in.
The new facility, a womens team - the Nix will primarily remain a Wellington club.
I'm sure they won't start next season with 4 of their first 6 games in Welly. That's a learning, but tricky this season with rugby games at Eden Park well into November.
But who knows if crowds through this season do stagnate at around 5-6K at the ROF, Welnix may relook at some of those ideas they toyed with pre Covid. Like taking games to Canberra or wherever. The Gong? Any idea that can bring in some cash.
Wasn't a JV with South Melbourne another past proposal ie selling a part stake in the club? But then it turned out SM basically were just after the Nix's A League licence.
I guess any other options like that, will depend alot on whether the APL setup a 2nd division or not.
I wonder how a one-off game in Christchurch every year would go. Keeps the team from losing home games to Australia while perhaps helping expand and engage a wider NZ fanbase. It is NZs second biggest city.
Looking at past attendances there: 4081 in 2007-08 (preseason) 19279 in 2009-10 14108 in 2010-11 6500 in 2012-13 (preseason) 9671 in 2013-14 8545 in 2015-16
Worth a shot perhaps? It's a better alternative than home games in Aus.Â
I think the formula is pretty straightforward. And has been consistent over the 15 years, more or less:
4k or less means we are near or at bottom of table and, likely, there are media and gossip noises about the club failing.Â
5-6k means we are bottom third of the table, unable to get any consistent run of results. The core plus hopeful are turning up.Â
7-8k needs us to have got into the six, during normal season, have had a good series of results and the casual fans are starting to turn up.Â
8-10k turns up for a top 4 table position and threatening or broken into top two. With a great run of results and media starting to get positive, casuals starting to talk about how well they are playing. And the weather's OK.Â
That's all for home games. Be at the 8-10k home level and have a one off game away to Chch or Auck with some vibe on and a good day and you'll beat that. Ditto for a home knock-out game. Maintain top 4 and deliver the results to keep momentum on the up and you can get above 10k.Â
Bad weather can knock 2k off those numbers on any given day. Other factors like this year's four games in a row at home can drop 2k, just with game fatigue and other priorities.Â
And the evergreen reliable; go on a good run, get in the top 4, pull near 10k for the next home game and lose by 4 goals playing poorly and drop 4k the next week.Â
We need to be top 4 or close to that and be on a strong run. That's the only way to get close to the crowd numbers they want.
We've been either consistently ordinary or have done well and then faltered so often, for a while now, that it takes us a bit longer to build up the numbers.
mjp2 Think thats pretty much bang on also think crowds are affected when the team is kept away from home for extended periods. (obviously covid period dosnt count) Such a bloody shame we cant have for whatever reason a genuine home/away set of games. Would be great if we could get out of this annual slow start to a season rubbish. With a bit of momentum maybe we could get up to that 8k plus figure. Realize 10k is the magical break even point but we have only got there on the odd occasion and then havnt maintained it for a series of games.Like others i dont have the magical answer but moaning about this bloody 10k figure is not the way to go. Its not the fans fault we play in such a fan unfriendly expensive oval.
The ticket prices is absolutely an issue. Almost $50 for a football game is too much. It's much better for the club long-term to average 7,500-8,000 fans for $25-30 tickets, than $5,000 fans for $45-50 tickets. Even if the club may be making slightly more from the higher ticket prices.
It's a bad mistake to start isolating, and worse, blaming, your fans. The fans are the backbone of the club. The fans keep the club alive, and thriving. Turn your back on the fans at your own peril. It's been the downfall of many clubs in the U.K. in recent times.
