The reality is you can't lose your top 4 or 5 players every season and expect to replace them and keep doing well. It can work as we've shown but every now and then the transfers and academy kids coming through simply fall flat. I'm afraid this season is shaping up to be one of those.
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I can guarantee that Chiefy has absolutely no plan that will score us enough goals for this. We've hardly been prolific as it it.
well, we could try putting a few players up front, and then playing the ball forwards to them.
But that not a tactic modern coaches like.
We only have two forward players at A-League level on the pitch right now
Are people really this obtuse
whose fault is that?
Did Chiefy injure Rojas himself?
Some of the complaints from you guys are bordering on Facebook-level analysis
To pass forward and get into attacking positions, you need a foundation. To get that foundation, you need defensive players who are able to move up in a line properly, and pass with confidence. We haven't had that - that's been the main issue. There's a reason Ishige and Kosta have barely touched the ball and have to drop into our half.
I can guarantee that Chiefy has absolutely no plan that will score us enough goals for this. We've hardly been prolific as it it.
well, we could try putting a few players up front, and then playing the ball forwards to them.
But that not a tactic modern coaches like.
We only have two forward players at A-League level on the pitch right now
Are people really this obtuse
whose fault is that?
Did Chiefy injure Rojas himself?
Some of the complaints from you guys are bordering on Facebook-level analysis
Sorry, we won't discuss the game at all going foward as it is clear that Chiefy has made no mistakes at all and it's not possible for anything more to be had from this team and no selections could have been done better.
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All we can do is pass it around because we don't really have any good central attacking midfielders and when Kosta drops to do that role we no longer haver a striker at all. I would have started a back four and just played al-taay
about 1 year ago· edited about 1 year ago· History
Monto
valeo
Fenix
valeo
Fenix
Monto
I can guarantee that Chiefy has absolutely no plan that will score us enough goals for this. We've hardly been prolific as it it.
well, we could try putting a few players up front, and then playing the ball forwards to them.
But that not a tactic modern coaches like.
We only have two forward players at A-League level on the pitch right now
Are people really this obtuse
whose fault is that?
Did Chiefy injure Rojas himself?
Some of the complaints from you guys are bordering on Facebook-level analysis
Sorry, we won't discuss the game at all going foward as it is clear that Chiefy has made no mistakes at all and it's not possible for anything more to be had from this team and no selections could have been done better.
It's been a domino effect of players leaving last season and now injuries.
Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
Saying 'Why don't we just pass it forward and score' is just stupid, sorry.
The biggest fudge up imo is having an import like Ball not even able to play, for whatever reason. You can't waste an import spot when you are already spending one on a goalkeeper.
I also think Nagasawa and Ishige have been really disappointing when they do get the ball. Those guys should be our key players when passing forward but they just aren't accurate enough.
Not sure how we plan to score any goals when we move the ball back into our own half and let them get all 11 in defensive shape. Just makes no sense to me.
Surely we score more by looking to move the ball positively with rapidity
I can guarantee that Chiefy has absolutely no plan that will score us enough goals for this. We've hardly been prolific as it it.
well, we could try putting a few players up front, and then playing the ball forwards to them.
But that not a tactic modern coaches like.
We only have two forward players at A-League level on the pitch right now
Are people really this obtuse
whose fault is that?
Did Chiefy injure Rojas himself?
Some of the complaints from you guys are bordering on Facebook-level analysis
Sorry, we won't discuss the game at all going foward as it is clear that Chiefy has made no mistakes at all and it's not possible for anything more to be had from this team and no selections could have been done better.
It's been a domino effect of players leaving last season and now injuries.
Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
Saying 'Why don't we just pass it forward and score' is just stupid, sorry.
The biggest fudge up imo is having an import like Ball not even able to play, for whatever reason. You can't waste an import spot when you are already spending one on a goalkeeper.
Not sure how we plan to score any goals when we move the ball back into our own half and let them get all 11 in defensive shape. Just makes no sense to me.
Surely we score more by looking to move the ball positively with rapidity
It's hard to pass through the lines if you struggle to get through midfield. Our main outlet is Payne on the right who generally isn't accurate enough with his passing and combinations
I can guarantee that Chiefy has absolutely no plan that will score us enough goals for this. We've hardly been prolific as it it.
well, we could try putting a few players up front, and then playing the ball forwards to them.
But that not a tactic modern coaches like.
We only have two forward players at A-League level on the pitch right now
Are people really this obtuse
whose fault is that?
Did Chiefy injure Rojas himself?
Some of the complaints from you guys are bordering on Facebook-level analysis
Sorry, we won't discuss the game at all going foward as it is clear that Chiefy has made no mistakes at all and it's not possible for anything more to be had from this team and no selections could have been done better.
It's been a domino effect of players leaving last season and now injuries.
Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
Saying 'Why don't we just pass it forward and score' is just stupid, sorry.
The biggest fudge up imo is having an import like Ball not even able to play, for whatever reason. You can't waste an import spot when you are already spending one on a goalkeeper.
He's able to play, the coach doesn't rate him.
We left two A-league quality goal threats in NZ.
That's fudgeing stupid.
I think Ball is past it and should've retired last season. Calling him a 'goal threat' is very, very nice to the guy.
I partially blame the players for not doing what's bveing asked of them - but I aslo put a lot of the blame on Chiefy here - the plan is clearly way to complex to be understood and delivered qucikly and easily - something needs to change urgently as it is pretty clear the players we currently have are not (cannot) deliver the plan.
I think we simply don't have the players to compete. Our bench is the weakest in the entire comp next to Perth and Brisbane. No manager can overcome such a gap in quality.
Please tell me what is 'complex' about his plan.
The complexity is the fluidity - ie no set structure, he wants players to change the shape and thier position based on the game situation - which is why he picked players that can play multiple positions. Clearly it's not working. I'd prefer a set back four, 2 DM's and then 4 attackers. Hell even Ball could play the second DM with Rufer, then you have Ishige, Nagasawa, Kosta, Retre to do the scoring. Right now our talented Japanese players are missing in action.
Not sure how we plan to score any goals when we move the ball back into our own half and let them get all 11 in defensive shape. Just makes no sense to me.
Surely we score more by looking to move the ball positively with rapidity
This! Tempo and getting the ball moving.
Especially so when we don't have a Rojas type figure that can break down a fully set defensive line.
At this point I'm willing to see Chiefy chuck Luke Brooke Smith and Nathan Walker on, get them wide as wingers (natural positions for both!) and have them just go for it. We haven't fired a shot otherwise, so why not 🤷♂️
Not sure how we plan to score any goals when we move the ball back into our own half and let them get all 11 in defensive shape. Just makes no sense to me.
Surely we score more by looking to move the ball positively with rapidity
This! Tempo and getting the ball moving.
Especially so when we don't have a Rojas type figure that can break down a fully set defensive line.
At this point I'm willing to see Chiefy chuck Luke Brooke Smith and Nathan Walker on, get them wide as wingers (natural positions for both!) and have them just go for it. We haven't fired a shot otherwise, so why not 🤷♂️
I agree we need someone who can run at them and actually push them back a little, I know nothing about Brooke Smith but maybe him?
It feels like whenever we have the ball we just want to control things and slow it down. So many times a player passes, the runs into space and we just sit in the ball and wait to pass it back.
I know when you're 2 down you want to keep your composure but I feel like our plan only works when we are up 1 nil.
Really missing a player like Old that can drive with the ball and beat a couple players and then you can create those 4 on 3 type situations.
We're missing all of last seasons midfield. It was either the best or second best midfield in the league. Rufer Pennington Old and Kraev. It's going to be extremely tough to replicate at any time in the future.
Defence was very week in that 1st half - Wanderers looked like they could do whatever they wanted and we did the seem to know what to do.
Really need to solidify at the back in the 2nd half if we want any chance.
Also if we want any chance we need to be creating more chances up front and really need to be testing the Wanderers defence - cant score if we aren't taking shots.
Also not sure if I was seen on the broadcast but some stage after the 2nd goal Payne was having a big old yell at Chiefy about something
As a fan since Day 1, I'm vaccinated against the Doom and Gloom bug. But I find it hard to see how we're going to get anything out of this game or season. We are so UNIDIMENSIONAL. Our game plan is: get Kosta the ball as he makes an angled run. That's it. What really concerns me is that every single game we've lost this season was because they had us figured out 100% and either kept us scoreless and got a lucky break (first derby for example), or they totally outplayed us (second derby, WUN, tonight). It is a real concern. No more Cola, Marco in and out with injuries, Ball & OVH on the outer. Our bench, outside of Al-Taay wouldn't look out of place in a lower league Handy Prem team's.
And then there's the individual mistakes. I don't keep score of any little thing, but I'm counting two from Josh, 3 now from Hughes and one from young Piper...those are very, very costly and add up at the end of the season.
Probably getting on the grumpy unreasonable side but we've gone from a new coach carefully currating his game plan to suit the players, to a guy who thinks he can have his side play like Barcelona on a shoe string. With the added gamble that he's recruited a key player to provide most of the X factor and impact who is mega injury prone and without any reliable back up at that level.
Really missing a player like Old that can drive with the ball and beat a couple players and then you can create those 4 on 3 type situations.
Or...Rojas.
I thought that's what Ishige would be but aside from his set pieces he offers nothing
Ishige hasn’t been consistent yet. Makes good runs. Had two decent games.
Let’s be realistic and think about our bankers. That’s Payne and Kosta going forward. That’s who have to lift everyone and drive a come back.
And any change to a back line is hard to bed in. This one went just about as badly as possible.
We’ve got invisible men in Retre, Nagasawa and Ishige. Like Timmy B and Reuben Thorne that means a debate about their quality and the personality of the team has to come from elsewhere- Chief seems to be using Sutton and Payne to drive towards the box. Kosta has been talismanic, but no striker can do the whole job. Payne and Sutton have to take part of it here, too.
Anyway one goal back and it’s on. Second half clean sheet. Put the pressure on them.
Not sure how we plan to score any goals when we move the ball back into our own half and let them get all 11 in defensive shape. Just makes no sense to me.
Surely we score more by looking to move the ball positively with rapidity
This! Tempo and getting the ball moving.
Especially so when we don't have a Rojas type figure that can break down a fully set defensive line.
At this point I'm willing to see Chiefy chuck Luke Brooke Smith and Nathan Walker on, get them wide as wingers (natural positions for both!) and have them just go for it. We haven't fired a shot otherwise, so why not 🤷♂️
I agree we need someone who can run at them and actually push them back a little, I know nothing about Brooke Smith but maybe him?
Both Walker and Brooke-Smith are rapid and good with the ball, and excellent running at defenders and taking on players. It's a big ask for them to pull out of this hole, but why not take a chance? But it's not like we did anything to chase the game after the two early goals.
Key point being, and I've said this ever since Walker in particular with the minutes he's had under his belt this season, is that they're both wingers! Not wing-backs.
