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Phoenix vs Wrexham | Sat 19th July | 5:00pm | RoF

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8 months ago
Nice one mate 
theprof
WPFC2007_WinOrlose
How much tickets have we sold? 

*** many ***
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8 months ago
Sydney got a nice crowd for a midweek game at 40k

I think the Nix are very fortunate to have a weekend game

Auckland will rise once more

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8 months ago
Any good deals going on Saturday for pubs/restaurants before the game?? 


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8 months ago
Is it the International College at Trentham?
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8 months ago
Napier Phoenix
Is it the International College at Trentham?

Hutt International Boys School (HIBS) and St Patricks Silverstream
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8 months ago
Currently training at NCIS, surprised, Parky wasnt swearing.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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8 months ago
LG
Currently training at NCIS, surprised, Parky wasnt swearing.
FAAARRRKKKK just left there because the boys wernt training.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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8 months ago
They were in the Top Field, not on the normal one we go to. 
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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8 months ago
LG
They were in the Top Field, not on the normal one we go to. 
shark 😒😒

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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8 months ago
Any sign of Cacace?! I’m a bit gutted he didn’t sign a few weeks ago. I think the event promoters probably are too!
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8 months ago
No sign of Libby.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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8 months ago
Wrexham has a kiwi connection. Chris Killen played a dozen games with them in 2000. His first loan from City

Auckland will rise once more

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8 months ago
It is funny to me that without Rufer or Payne we have nobody that it even makes sense to bestow the captaincy upon. 
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8 months ago
imanixsupporter
It is funny to me that without Rufer or Payne we have nobody that it even makes sense to bestow the captaincy upon. 
Hughes or Nagasawa I reckon…
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8 months ago

Did Ifill say this recently? No way were the weaker A League teams League 1 standard last year. Not even close.

Big Pete 65
Watched the Sydney v Wrexham game on the Duke channel last night and their game vs. Victory last week.
They look about the level of an A-League side.
Which is what Paul Ifill has said in the past: according to him, A-League is about bottom half Championship, top half League One level.
Wrexham will definitely struggle in the Championship with their current modest squad, unless they make some decent signings before the transfer window closes.

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8 months ago
It’s a line that has been kept alive when he came and tore up the A league. 

Not the slightest evidence that it is the case and the evidence actually points towards lower league one.

Auckland will rise once more

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8 months ago
What evidence... because I don't recall us playing too many league 1 teams to be honest. I do know that when teams or Aussie here have played these types of games against bigger teams we have generally been competative (with both sides often in preseason or an A League All Stars Team with a weeks training together behind them).

I think the A League would generally sit around the top of League 1 and bottom of the Championship.

I think sometimes the A League is see as a weaker league also because it is a comp set up to promote youth. 10 years ago the youth coming through was a little meh, but now, it's actually quite a high quality as seen by the number of kids getting picked up elsewhere at decent teams, having been in academies for 5 - 10 years already. This is also reflected in the sharp increase in fees the A League is now demanding for players.

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8 months ago
I feel like this Cacace thing could all be a beat up, just to get more interest going for the game this weekend. Will wait and see... 
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8 months ago
What's the crowd looking like?
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8 months ago · edited 8 months ago · History
23k-25K
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8 months ago
2ndBest
23k-25K

decent, if not yet amazing, get a decent day weather wise and might see few additional thousand walk up

Queenslander 3x a year.

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8 months ago
to compare....
Phoenix v LA Galaxy 31,853 
Phoenix v Newcaslte United (and Sydney v West Ham) 30,968 
Phoenix v West Ham in Auckland 19,183 
Phoenix v Boca 11,751 
Phoenix v Beijing 2,613 
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8 months ago
I see Retre is also ruled out for this match now
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8 months ago · edited 8 months ago · History
Elemenop
I feel like this Cacace thing could all be a beat up, just to get more interest going for the game this weekend. Will wait and see... 

Article published by Rollo not too long ago, Parkinson himself has confirmed the deal is close to being finalised. Parkinson wants to visit La Bella to celebrate.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360758489/wrexham-sign-all-whites-star-liberato-cacace-ahead-wellington-game-report

"Wrexham were hoping to announce the signing while in New Zealand, though it appears unlikely Cacace will be making a surprise appearance at the game."
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8 months ago
Wrexham are determined to finish their pre-season tour on a high after suffering a surprise 2-1 defeat to a youthful Sydney FC team on Tuesday.

The Phoenix team they meet on Saturday could be even younger with only 12 first team players available for selection due to the timing of the fixture.

The Phoenix reported back for pre-season less than three weeks ago, are missing a handful of players due to injury, most notably senior players Alex Rufer, Tim Payne and Paulo Retre, and are still three or four signings away from completing their roster.
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8 months ago
The way the quality of the A league top half has been maintained despite all the disruptions has been amazing. 

I think the league has got better than it was historically, but the sprinkling of amazing talent is less and tactics themselves have become more focused on coordination of defense over care free attacking. See the finals series. Victory and Auckland were based on their defense. City had a tough, tough midfield press. There’s not the space in the midfield that there used to be and fewer bangers from distance. There’s no Villa or del Piero. Or Berisha or Broich that matter. The best players are midfielders, defenders or keepers. There’s not a surfeit of fast dribblers with a killer shot. 

As to how those teams would measure up it’s hard to say. But there have been fewer star players staying in the A league. The Irankundas and so on tend to leave faster, but we haven’t seen an Aaron Mooy for a while. So perhaps tactically and defensively stronger, but fewer star players. 

Sorry- off topic. 


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8 months ago
2 minor niggles and 2 new dads. The guys looked good in training this am. What till you see some of the Wrexham players. They are 6'2" monsters.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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8 months ago
I was in the Welsh dragon bar at lunchtime. They were filming for the next season of Welcome to Wrexham.
Nobody from the team there, but Wayne who you may remember from the documentary was in.
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8 months ago
coochiee
Wrexham are determined to finish their pre-season tour on a high after suffering a surprise 2-1 defeat to a youthful Sydney FC team on Tuesday.

The Phoenix team they meet on Saturday could be even younger with only 12 first team players available for selection due to the timing of the fixture.

The Phoenix reported back for pre-season less than three weeks ago, are missing a handful of players due to injury, most notably senior players Alex Rufer, Tim Payne and Paulo Retre, and are still three or four signings away from completing their roster.

Oh dear, just hoping we don't get completely destroyed then...
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8 months ago
Alf Tupper

Did Ifill say this recently? No way were the weaker A League teams League 1 standard last year. Not even close.

Big Pete 65
Watched the Sydney v Wrexham game on the Duke channel last night and their game vs. Victory last week.
They look about the level of an A-League side.
Which is what Paul Ifill has said in the past: according to him, A-League is about bottom half Championship, top half League One level.
Wrexham will definitely struggle in the Championship with their current modest squad, unless they make some decent signings before the transfer window closes.

Probably it's been more a general line from visiting clubs and import English players that the A-League is mid to upper League One, bottom Championship.
I'd say the best A-League clubs  are roughly equivalent to the top half League One.
I don't rate this Wrexham side at all and they will struggle in the Championship..
James McLean is a decent player with EPL and Championship experience but is a bit past-it at 36
Ryan Hardie is an ok goal-scorer at Championship level and his two seasons with Plymouth at that level makes him one of the few players in the squad with any experience above League One level.
Ifill late in his first season at the Nix said that the A-League is League One standard:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/football/wellington-phoenix/imy-life-in-sporti-paul-ifill/EVQOW6M66SL5POTNSFMXA7SAKM/
  How does the A-League compare to the English leagues?
I would say roughly on a par with League One. Because this league is so young, most teams have a mixed bunch of players. At the Phoenix, if Costa Barbarouses and Marco Rojas had gone to England when they were 14 or 15 they would be on the books of a Premier League team. Both have got things you can't coach, especially speed. There are a few others like that - Tommy Oar from Brisbane and Mathew Leckie at Adelaide. Jon McKain and Andrew Durante could easily play in the English Championship division - they are two of the best centre halves I've played with and very comfortable on the ball.
and here:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/phoenix-ace-ifill-finds-a-league-serves-up-a-variety-in-terms-of-talent-20090911-ge837v.html
After playing five games for the Nix:
"The 29-year-old said he had rarely played in a league in which the player quality could vary so much between individuals within each team. ''I would say that overall the standard is a bit like League One, but you have some players who could easily play in the Championship, maybe even the Premiership, and others who would be at League Two or the Conference. I suppose it's because the league is still quite new after only five years and is still sorting out its level. It will take more time. "
https://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/27/how-ifill-came-to-light-phoenixs-rise/
Ifill believes the style of football adopted by the Phoenix is more suited to his talents and has been pleasantly surprised by the quality of the A-League.
“It helps that there is not promotion or relegation here, in England it is so results-orientated that teams will just and kick-and-rush to get into the Premiership.
“We try and play the right style of football and sometimes it doesn’t always work, but I would rather than just lumping it up front.”
I seem to remember him at some later stage saying it was top half League One, bottom half Championship.
SOME VARIOUS OPINIONS BASED ON EXPERIENCE OF HOW THE A-LEAGUE COMPARES:
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/where-does-the-aleague-fit-in-among-the-worlds-leagues-20150925-gjunn9.html
and here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/1d1iyez/how_well_does_the_aleague_compare_to_other_leagues/

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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8 months ago · edited 8 months ago · History
I guess an easy way to look at it is...

How many of those Wrexham players demand a starting position with Auckland? 

I don't know enough about them to be honest. But would say they need to sign a lot more players to have a chance in the Championship. 

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8 months ago
Two kiwi connections - Tom McNab played for them in the 50s!
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