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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
YES YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKES THE CURRENT HOME KIT, NEVER MIND ITS GOOD TO STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE
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SiNZ wrote:
Am I the only one who likes the current home kit?
 

I guess the A-League < id="WebWizRTE" ="http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/RTE_.asp?mode=quote&POID=79779&ID=870" style="border: 1px solid rgb(165, 172, 178);" onload="initialiseWebWizRTE();" height="250" width="490">mandate the away kit as white (or almost white for Melbourne) to avoid having a potential situation where you need a third kit? The top two flights in England have to have three kits and a couple of years ago Brighton needed to have a 4th temporarily as all three were considered to clash with the Palace home kit!


I don't mind it, it's better than I thought it'd be. I would prefer yellow/black stripes (or halves, like Blackburn and Feyenoord), but that won't happen until Reebok ceases to be the official kit supplier to the A-league.

The reason we don't have yellow shirts as either home or away kits is because of the Central Coast Mariners. We couldn't get the yellow as home shirts because the A-league does not want two yellow teams in an 8-team competition, and we can't have it as an away shirt since then it would clash with Central Coast when we play them in Gosford. The Phoenix have incorporated as much yellow as they could on the shirts, but the decision ultimately rested with the A-league.


very cool strip
Cosimo2007-10-03 20:50:35
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yomcat wrote:
DrQuack32 wrote:
Doesn't Melbourne have silver (not white) as its away colour and Blue as its home colour


Yes, Melbourne likes to be different. They also have a different style with their V.


Obviously the Reebok template is restrictive enough to prevent stripes but not restrictive enough to prevent a great big rugby league-style V across the chest! Apparently it is a Victorian sporting tradition but still... give us a break Reebok!
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This  shirt in yellow & black?


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Heck, yes, I'd buy that. In fact, I'd probably be one of the few on these forums that'd buy the Spurs shirt too... :-)

How about a YF shirt in black and yellow halves? Maybe with a black "Y" on the yellow half and a yellow "F" on the black half and "Who are ya?" and "www.yellowfever.co.nz" on the back?
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i like i would buy!
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Nickel wrote:
I don't see a problem with our home strip being largely yellow (or striped)- the CCM are yellow sure, but look at the premiership and how many red shirts there are over there.
 
I'd like to ditch the black kit next season, and mainly because people see black and can't help think NZ, its vastly overdone in this country - even the lions these days are black with yellow trimming. Lets bring yellow back to the local teams as rugby heads see yellow and think the hurricanes/wellington instead of a generic NZ team.


Remember yellow and black IS wellington colours....

I think the current home strip is great

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i'm with mr blobby, our kit is excellent!  looks good, makes us look like we're ready to do the buisness.  plus, black kit is scientifically proven to enhance performance, or intimidate the opposition, or something like that....
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dang wrote:
i'm with mr blobby, our kit is excellent!  looks good, makes us look like we're ready to do the buisness.  plus, black kit is scientifically proven to enhance performance, or intimidate the opposition, or something like that....
 
Scientifically proven  You can't make a bold claim like that without citing sources!
 
It tickles me. In the 70s when Liverpool were more dominant than ManU were in the 90s, apparently red was meant to have all those attributes you claim - though I don't recall the phrase scientifically proven to enhance performance  ever being bandied around.
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I think the kits, home and away, are good, though I'd fancied yellow and black striped shirts and white shorts and socks - more Brazillian looking maybe.
 
But white might give an edge in the hot sun - the A league is a summer league after all.
 
This idea that the league determines what clubs can wear makes me feel a bit sick, reminding me that we are not a club in the European tradition but a centrally controlled franchaise. The league could terminate our existence with the stroke of a pen if they chose to, however well we were doing, if they felt they had a good enough strategic reason. Scary. Or am I wrong? And maybe this is the wrong thread for this moan.
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pink has a calming influence...we should wear all pink to unmotivate the opposition
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Cosimo wrote:
pink has a calming influence...we should wear all pink to unmotivate the opposition


Who needs shirts anyway?

flesh is mostly pink (if you select the correct players...)
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yomcat wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
pink has a calming influence...we should wear all pink to unmotivate the opposition


Who needs shirts anyway?

flesh is mostly pink (if you select the correct players...)
 
also means we wouldn't have to wait until the 80min mark to get your shirts off for the boys.
2ndBest2007-10-04 09:16:04
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Moxstar wrote:
Remember yellow and black IS wellington colours....

I think the current home strip is great
 
Exactly - what I was saying is that the yellow is perhaps too understated in the current nix uniform, and that a mostly black uniform just summons up images of NZ instead of wellington.  Perhaps we could do white shorts like the lions or something, so its not too black.
 
Having said all this of course I do love the current strip and have a nix shirt on my wall.  It just seems that having similar colours to the knights begs the comparison of the two teams/makes people think of the old outfit.  Yellow Fever and the nix themselves have done a lot to break that first impression though of course, so its unlikely to haunt us.
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This idea that the league determines what clubs can wear makes me feel a bit sick, reminding me that we are not a club in the European tradition but a centrally controlled franchaise. The league could terminate our existence with the stroke of a pen if they chose to, however well we were doing, if they felt they had a good enough strategic reason. Scary. Or am I wrong? And maybe this is the wrong thread for this moan.
 
It may be the wrong thread, but it is an interesting topic...
 
They could not terminate our existence on a strategic whim. There are rules in place and we would need to fall foul of those to find ourselves terminated. However, Hard News will probably have the details, I believe clubs have a fixed contracted period? Is that a rolling contract or just periodically renewed as it expires?
 
You have to remember that the European leagues are old. The English league started in 1888 (8 Sept trivia fans), the FA Cup in 1871. The FA was created in 1863. Professionalism did not become legal until 1885. The first set of clubs that created what we now see as tradition, pre-dated the league, the FA Cup, the FA. It was a very different economic world back then. New professional leagues generally adopt the franchise model to try and keep it in shape.
 
The European leagues are generally suffering from too much club power now. For many years, the FA had English clubs modelled on as level a playing field as was possible (gate sharing, equitable revenue sharing of television monies, maximum salary cap etc). With the large clubs arguing that the sharing was unfair and eventually getting their way, the English league is losing its competitive spectacle.... bring in more FA power and less club power, I say.
 
By the way, in the US (well the NFL at least) they pool the money from merchandise sales and share the profits equally among the clubs - all to try and keep all of the clubs on an equitable level. Does that happen with the A-League franchise model too?
 
What was the model for the forerunner(s) of the A-League? I would imagine that it formed the basis for some of the decisions around the way the A-League functions.
 
 
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I recall at the time over here, the J-league was being talked about as the 'model' on which the A-league was based, and the impression was that related to more than just the name of said league.

But being unfamiliar with the J-league, aside from seeing a couple of their teams on telly in the ACL, not at all sure of the specifics.








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i remember a piece in the dom or something looking at playing kit colours.  they mentioned black specifically as a top associated with success due to intimidiation factors or something.
i took note at the time as my team was playing in black...

wherever it was, can't find it now.  can find the paper on red and blue colours though...interesting...ish....
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HeySeus wrote:
This  shirt in yellow & black?


 
Or this one in yellow and black! 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I think it becomes kind of self-fulfilling. Remember* when Leeds changed their colours to white because it was considered to be the colour of success? The reason being that Real Madrid had been dominating Europe in white, so Don Revie wanted a colour that was seen as intimidating and hoped it would inspire Leeds to become the English Real Madrid. Before that Leeds played in a split blue/yellow shirt similar to that Tottenham one posted above. 
 
*Okay probably not first hand as we're talking early 60s!
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As an aside... just went to the Reebok website - looks as tho it hasn't been updated in a while; Thierry Who, is still at Arsenal - Lote Tuquiri is the best winger in the world in any rugby code - and I couldn't find any reference to the A-League... interesting!

And still no Nix shirts in Qld!!!!!    lol








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"It has been suggested that individuals may use heuristic methods of reasoning and rely on schemata when a quick decision is necessary. Accordingly, it is possible that decisions made by sport officials may be influenced by prior knowledge they have about teams they are officiating. The aim of the present study was to determine whether sport officials are more likely to penalize individuals who participate in a team with an aggressive reputation. In a balanced design, 38 football referees were randomly assigned to either an experimental or control group and were presented with the same 50 video clips of incidents from football games, all involving a team in a blue strip ('blue team'). The incidents were categorized before the study by five experienced referees into fouls committed both by, and against, the blue team, where all participants agreed that a foul had been committed (certain incidents), disagreed it was a foul (uncertain incidents) or agreed that there was no foul (innocuous incidents). Both groups received written instructions before the task; in addition, the experimental group was informed that the blue team present in all of the clips had a reputation for foul and aggressive play. For each incident, the participants were required to indicate what action they would engage in if refereeing the game. Although there was no difference in the number of decisions made, the experimental group awarded significantly more red and yellow cards against the blue team both overall and for the 'certain' incidents. It is suggested that prior knowledge may impact referees' behaviour in a laboratory setting, although future research should explore whether a similar effect is observed in the behaviour of referees during football matches."
 
"People usually associate the colour black with evil, aggression and badness. It was hypothesized that this association would influence people's perception, i.e. it was expected that offenders and suspects who wore black clothes would be seen as more aggressive than those who wore light-coloured clothes. In two experiments the colour of clothing of offenders and suspects was manipulated and the effect of this manipulation on observers' perception was investigated. The results indicated strong support for the hypothesis. The practical implications of the findings are discussed."
 
I've heard (but can't find anything to support it with a quick google search) that there was a study done that looked at the shirt colour of winning teams and found a higher level of success by teams wearing red.
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Combining the two elements in the first post - referees being influenced and black seen as aggressive - suggests that wearing black is going to draw us harsher treatments from the refs!

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NFL teams usually wear their colored kit at home, with some exceptions - Dallas uses white out of tradition, and many of the teams in warmer places ie Arizona wear white to force the other team to play in darker kits and be more prone to becoming overheated
 
The NHL recently switched to white sweaters as away, but there's some talk of switching back.
 
MLB traditionally wear white at home and gray away - the reason behind this is because of the expense of laundering the uniforms in the early days of the game, travelling teams wore gray to hide dirt better when they couldn't wash their clothes.
 
As for the red teams succeeding, it's because the human eye picks up red faster than any other color. Hence, if you have red team-mates, you're more likely to be able to pass or offload faster. Of course this is only marginal but anything that'll help eh?
 
(Guh, lost the internet for one day and I have over 100 emails from board subscriptions...)
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Hard News wrote:
They better have learnt a lot more from Pompey than they did when they outfitted the Kingz.


they must be doing something right or Pompey wudda dropped them ASAP.

Besides, it would be good to support a 'local' company, could also end up helping out NZF (remember CCC doesnt do much in NZ rugby so could be a chance for priority to football)


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The Phoenix playing strips are fine, but something needs to be done about those horrendous tracksuits.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
pin stripes?


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What about this one: 


and this one for Mossy:

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Lonegunmen wrote:
"I'm still hoping our home kits turn yellow next season. With black stripes, a la the logo. Fingers crossed."
 
Me too.
 
I'm with you guys. Yellow as away gear wouldn't hurt anyone!
 
G.

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love the flames jersey for the keeper! Wouldn't mind that for my own shirt for next season.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Lonegunmen wrote:
"I'm still hoping our home kits turn yellow next season. With black stripes, a la the logo. Fingers crossed."
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Me too.

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I'm with you guys. Yellow as away gear wouldn't hurt anyone!

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But it would clash with Central Coast when we play them away in Gosford, that's why we don't have yellow away kits.
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surely if we had enough black in the away strip it wouldn't clash with the CCM team's home colours.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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theprof wrote:

surely if we had enough black in the away strip it wouldn't clash with the CCM team's home colours.



But the A-league insists on teams wearing light-coloured shirts when playing away from home (all teams in fact wear white away shirts other than Melbourne). So you couldn't have a lot of black in there. Secondly, CCM's home kit of yellow/navy blue would still clash pretty badly.
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a combination of pink and red, with bits of yellow would be scientifically perfect
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

but would look ugly as hell
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well we could wear our home kit as clash when playing against Gosford?

PS Only Serie A's Palermo could pull off wearing pink IMHO.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
"I'm still hoping our home kits turn yellow next season. With black stripes, a la the logo. Fingers crossed."
 

Me too.

 

I'm with you guys. Yellow as away gear wouldn't hurt anyone!

 

G.


But it would clash with Central Coast when we play them away in Gosford, that's why we don't have yellow away kits.
 
Surely we'd just wear our normal black strip when playing CCM but all other away games we'd wear the yellow strip?
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This is going in circles. The A-league insist that away teams wear lightly-coloured shirts.
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I've been thinking about this "all away teams must wear white " rule and think how stupid it is in an 8 team league. How boring is it for the fans knowing every single away team will be turning up at the Ring of Fire wearing white. Wouldn't it be nice to actually see them wearing their home colours? I think the only team the Nix would clash with at the moment would be Melbourne as their shirts are a dark blue.
Like whats been mentioned previously, its a very American thing.
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